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I'm very sorry no one had welcomed you to the project before, it could have helped you understand better how thing work. In any case take a look into the information above and even if you first attempt is found lacking, do not put aside the project. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 19:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Some Wikibookians that have works target in a RfD normally see it (and the comments), as personal critics. Making them extremely demoralizing in an environment that works based in a volunteering basis. Comments on RfD tend also to work as political displays and normal bad-wagoning, especially when adding nothing to the argumentation presented, it is not uncommon to see new Wikibookians taking actions on the RfD as a way to mark their presence on the project, other situations involve larger political stances where an issue is not clearly defined on the project (gay areas), an RfD can even be a covert attack but in any case we have also historically felt that there should be some restrains in using the RfD (this is way we do protect stubs and give to most projects a grace period). In any case most editors will not ever be involved in the political side of the Wikibooks project but that isn't to say that it doesn't exist, even if some of us see that RfD are a lousy way to go about it.
 * In any case I'm glad that you do not feel demoralized, and hope my actions helped to make clear that the RfD in not personal and why the proposal for deletion was raised. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 20:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you. I don't feel demoralized, but I do feel disappointed. I haven't seen much evidence, just subjective opinions which would tend to limit the scope in profoundly unhelpful ways. Jsalsman (discuss • contribs) 21:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that we delete collections of links even if not commercial oriented. I'm not arguing the validity of the links and again that isn't even the main issue. The RfD discussion isn't even a majority vote but an attempt to find a consensus, would you consider that facing so many opposing positions your view point maybe too inclusive in regards to what the policy defines, would you accommodate making any changes to the work so it conforms to the concerns expressed in this discussion ?
 * When I read in the policy "Wikibooks is not a soapbox, or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising." and "Most types of books, both fiction and non-fiction, are not allowed on Wikibooks, unless they are instructional." the first thing I get is that the latitude to what is possible to create here is very limited. Can you please state there what instructional value you project has ?
 * The Wikibooks policy is clear. If you are attempting to redefine the concept of textbook, that is not the forum for it. Policy change requires a policy discussion. Some of the comments already made it clear that the project can be classified as a book, so your use of links to amazon google books was considered valid, but not related to the argumentation presented for the deletion. I even explained how the project could be turned into acceptable material.
 * Please consider the fallowing. a) we are not out to prevent you from contributing to the project b) all efforts have been made to attempt to provide you with the information on how our policy explicitly puts the nominated work out of Wikibooks scope. c) why yours is the minority position ?
 * Take your time to reply I know that it can be exasperating interacting with so many people at the same time, there is no time pressure and any action can be reversed. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 22:22, 25 July 2011 (UTC)