User talk:JackPotte/2016

Blocked
You have been blocked to prevent disruption of this wiki. &mdash; Mike.lifeguard &#124; talk 14:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * We need to edit False_friend, actually its two links at the letter F are recursive. JackPotte (talk) 21:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Category:Colors
Please do not add pages to categories as though this were Wikipedia. Category:Colors is for the book Colors and not for any subpages that belong to other books. Thanks. – Adrignola talk 12:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Could we rename it for example as Category:Colors (book) because of the interwiki reason: an absence of category links must engender some redundancies between WB and WV as it happened on the French ones? JackPotte (talk) 15:18, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Could we "reserve" the UDC classification names for our categories please? (it would be more explicit and normalised) JackPotte (talk) 15:29, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The categories that would be appropriate for interwiki links (other than for translations of the same book) would be the categories with the same names as the subject pages used for browsing books. So, for instance, Category:French language and not Category:French. You can view the entire tree from Subject:Books by subject.  I also forgot to clarify how the categories are used at Wikibooks, in that Using Wikibooks/Subjects, Categories, and Classifications provides information on that. This system is why we don't approve interwiki bots, because it has to be done by hand by those familiar with the system in place here.  – Adrignola talk 16:20, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, this tree seems equitable but strange to understand as "computing" belongs to "science". I'm going to study that seriously. JackPotte (talk) 17:05, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Please participate
Hope you wouldn't mind participating on the "vote" to restore the CheckUser (CU) function (mostly used to fight vandalism) to the Wikibooks project, a minimum of 25 expressions of support is required to grant the flag to administrator Thenub314 (this will also enable admin Adrignola to get the function active again, since there is a minimum requirement of 2 active Wikibookians with the flag). In case you do agree to participate, your vote needs to be added to administrator Thenub314 request for permission. Thanks. --Panic (talk) 10:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

About fr.wikt
I don't agree with the two oppose votes; vandalism is a problem we have to face anyways, and it's always better to have two CUs than none, especially since an indef block for sockpuppetry cannot be justified without sufficient evidence and evidence can be obtained from CheckUser. I'd love to support you but the page on wikt seems to be protected... and I still need to brush up on my French before I comment there. Vous savez, je ne parle pas le français très bien... Kayau ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 02:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Merci, thanks a lot but someone would have decided that 3 months was too much for this kind of vote, let's try again in one year... JackPotte (talk) 03:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Linear Algebra/Addition, Multiplication, and Transpose
I wanted to check if it was the talk page or the page itself which was being suggested for deletion. Thenub314 (talk) 23:58, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * According to me the page is a little bit too long to be speedily deleted. JackPotte (talk) 23:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it doesn't all under any of the speedy deletion criteria, but if you want we can put it up at WB:RfD. It is also a little more common to put the  template right at the top of the page itself, just to call extra attention to the fact someone would like to delete the page (which was why I got confused).  To put it up for Rfd, you simply place an  template at top of the page and put your reasons in a new section at WB:RfD. Thenub314 (talk) 00:16, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Please see above..
As for the Category:Colors comment above, why are you adding Category:Alphabets to all those pages? This isn't Wikipedia and categories are not used this way. QU TalkQu 21:54, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought about that but I can't see any better way to list them. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 22:04, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Categories are used to link together the chapters of books, not to link together unrelated books. Categories are definitely never used to link individual pages within books to other pages in unrelated books - that is what Wikipedia does, it is not done here. You say you couldn't think of a better way of listing them, but they don't need listing. Where's the value of (to use a paper book analogy) creating a list that says "page 16 of this book has some stuff about alphabets and so does page 234 of this other book"? What is done is to link whole books together - this is done with Subjects. The approach would be to create a Subject of "Alphabets" and add the root page of each book to that Subject. QU TalkQu 22:31, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I was going to revert all of this but decided not to - I think if you want to continue with this approach you should start a discussion in the Reading Room on whether it is appropriate or not. Whenever it has been done before it has been reverted by other editors but maybe it is worth a discussion first. QU TalkQu 22:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, [//en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Finnish/Aakkoset&diff=next&oldid=2384393 I see that around ten are missing], thank you to give me a chance to defend Category:Alphabets on Reading room/General. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 07:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Confusion about Introducing Myself
Hello, JackPotte, Thank you for your welcome message. However, I'm confused about what you said about introducing myself in the general reading room. Firstly, it seems very odd to me that I would introduce myself in a section "where Wikibookians raise and answer Wikibooks-related questions and concerns regarding technical issues, policies, or other aspects of our community." Second of all, why would it be customary to introduce oneself to--for all intent and purpose--the entire Wikibooks community (the vast majority of whom would find a random newcomer's introduction to be irrelevant information)?

On a side note, would it have been better to post this message underneath the message you posted on my Talk page? Or is this the right place for it? Hillowrym (discuss • contribs) 00:22, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, yeah you're right for the both (introduction and talk page). Actually I had read our generic welcoming template [//en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Welcome&diff=1386671&oldid=1386267 before this modification], which I'm calling in question today. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 08:36, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. Left a note about this at the other thread.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 13:33, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you for the explanation. Hillowrym (discuss • contribs) 21:46, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

REBOL Programming/and and other pages broken now (by bot edits by User:JackBot)
Just a note, some of your bot edits "failed" (produced broken markup), e.g. at REBOL Programming/and, REBOL Programming/decompress and probably others. --Cic (discuss • contribs) 16:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'm going to correct them. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 16:04, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * And thank you for adding categories to all those other articles! --Cic (discuss • contribs) 16:08, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Template:AltBookCat exists
Regarding edits such as this one. I think that Template:AltBookCat would work in these situations. --Cic (discuss • contribs) 16:06, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Just added into my watch list. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 16:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Web Development -> Web development ‎
Regarding your renaming of the book "Web Development" to "Web development". WB:NP recommends title casing for book titles (i.e., "Web Development" instead of "Web development"). Are you aware of that, and if so, why did you change it? --Cic (discuss • contribs) 18:18, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * At the beginning I needed to disambiguate Category:Web Development and Category:Web development, which constituted a serious source of confusion.
 * And then, when I saw that Category:Web development included some pages from another book which couldn't be specified, I chose to use (book) like in Category:Geometry (book).
 * But if you want to rename it to Category:Web Development (book) I would agree. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 18:36, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It's no source of confusion, it's documented in at e.g. WB:CAT (see the music theory example). Category:Geometry (book) ends with a " (book)" only because the category only contains one word. --Cic (discuss • contribs) 18:46, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry because [//en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks%3ACategories&diff=2694561&oldid=1577215 I didn't get that when I read the policy] and didn't follow it carefully after.
 * Nevertheless, it's confusing that our policy changes if the name contains one or two word. Moreover in French the title casing is considered as an orthographic fault, and in the other Wikibooks I didn't see these rules.
 * So even if it's spread here, I'm still reluctant about that... (eg: we can't distinguish "Absolute" and "absolute"). JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 19:01, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi. The subject category is now called Category:Subject:Web development. The book category is now Category:Web development, and at some point in the future I expect it'll be of the form.

Now that there is no ambiguity with the name of the subject-category, would you be agreeable with renaming the book back to the usual title-case name, ? --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 23:45, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 23:49, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

OpenSSH
What content do you have ready for your proposal on Troubleshooting? It seems like a redundancy since there is already trouble shooting information, where applicable, along side each recipe. So if you have something, it might be better placed with the corresponding recipe. Larsnooden (discuss • contribs) 10:22, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll try very soon to integrate my error messages at the steps where they can be encountered, rather than sequentially. But I may need to create OpenSSH/Troubleshooting according to what I didn't finish this morning. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 11:42, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Which kind of errors and with which recipe? Larsnooden (discuss • contribs) 11:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just imported the image on the right. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 11:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That's PuTTY however, and on a weird OS, not OpenSSH. Do the OpenSSH server logs say anything relevant?  Larsnooden (discuss • contribs) 11:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, nobody's perfect... My PuTTY works on several Linux (Ubuntu, Gentoo) but not with this OpenSSH_6.7p1 Ubuntu-5ubuntu1:
 * JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 12:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks like PuTTY may be out of date then. In OpenSSH 6.7 unsafe MACs were removed.  It looks like PuTTY is still trying to use them and unable to use the right ones.   Larsnooden (discuss • contribs) 12:16, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If the error can be reproduced with OpenSSH's client then there might be the place to add a paragraph or two. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Logging#Debugging Larsnooden (discuss • contribs) 12:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just changed from PuTTY 0.61 to the very last 0.64 and it works properly. Thank you very much.
 * In conclusion, if the error can't be reproduced with OpenSSH's client, I really think that this log error with your explanation should figure in our book, at least in a troubleshooting appendix. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 12:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, does this cover it? https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:Larsnooden/sandbox#Invalid_or_Outdated_Ciphers_or_MACs  The chapter on "Logging" might also be renamed "Logging and Troubleshooting" to better bring attention to it.
 * that's beyond my expectations, [//en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ALarsnooden%2Fsandbox&type=revision&diff=2956837&oldid=2956832 I've just removed the lift]. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 13:04, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I've polished the section on troubleshooting Authentication Keys to highlight the case you encountered. Some changes to the Logging chapter are needed: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:Larsnooden/sandbox#Debugging_and_Troubleshooting  The part that was recently added to the Logging chapter was already covered twice in the Authentication Keys chapter so the main substance should stay there and not in Logging, even if some key words and an internal link are placed in the Logging chapter.  (It logged me out)  Larsnooden (discuss • contribs) 15:47, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll move my stuff in the next hours... JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 15:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll move my stuff in the next hours... JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 15:55, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

PDF
You can to PDFs with table tagss using the MediaWiki to LaTeX tools I wrote. Currently 75 percent of the PDF available on the english wikibooks were created with it. Just tell me if you need an updated pdf version. Currently you can get it for a well know commercial operating system as well as a source code for linux, a binary will also be included in the next release of Ubuntu --Dirk Hünniger (discuss • contribs) 16:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Danke, I have to test this. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 20:32, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey Jack, I think you also saw my contribution with my mediawiki2latex project. Holidays are starting soon, so I will have some time to create PDF versions again. I consider to redo some PDF you made for the French Wikibooks, since I just think the LaTeX layout looks better, but I don't want to make you angry by overwriting your work. So what do you think, does is make sense to invest some time in this. Yours --Dirk Hünniger (discuss • contribs) 10:46, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Why not, but I would begin by the missing PDF visible into Category:Print Versions. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 11:58, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

I made 3 new pdfs. The now only contains two remaining books, which have very little content and thus were not considered in the pdf generation. If you got any more books here, which have got significant content and should be rendered to pdf, just let me know.--Dirk Hünniger (discuss • contribs) 15:44, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * actually I talked about 176 ones. They are visible with https://petscan.wmflabs.org/, by filling for "en" "wikibooks", "Categories" to "Books with print version" and "Negative categories" to "Books with PDF version". JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 15:58, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter
Just so you're aware: I am still active and keeping a relatively close eye on this project. You've approved at least one revision that I later had to back out; I do appreciate the assistance usually, but I do have to ask for a little more care in what you're approving. Thank you. Chazz (talk) 21:50, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, [//en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Muggles%27_Guide_to_Harry_Potter%2FCharacters%2FThorfinn_Rowle&type=revision&diff=3101046&oldid=3101000 I saw that earlier]. Forewarned is forearmed, I'll do my best. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 21:52, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Please remember to block the spammers.
I saw you delete a userpage which was, indeed, spam. But, you forgot/didn't block the spammer (in which this was the spammer). Please remember to do this, as the spammer could come back and post nonsense/trash like that again. Congrats on the sysop permissions, and happy editing! --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 21:31, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Copy that. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 21:44, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikidata
There was an extended discussion in the Reading Room a long time ago about Wikidata that specifically rejected removing language interwikis. Typically people who do get warned and reverted (we've even had people blocked for doing it). I see you've removed some. Time has passed since the original discussion so it might be worth a further debate, but for now I'd recommend not removing language interwikis. Thanks - QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 07:50, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, personally I've found several out of date links for one month (moved or deleted pages) but I respect that and won't remove them until a clearer consensus. FYI the English Wikinews is the only project I know which strongly forbids these removals. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 09:19, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what these two projects have in common (en.wn and en.wb) is, of course, me. I deeply disapprove of some (not all) aspects of the Wikidata agenda.  There's too much there to get into now, I suppose (though that's always the case, and so I never get around to articulating the whole of my vision); I do think turning over control of interwikis to Wikidata is highly destructive to local projects both by effectively removing local control, with associated message to local people that they don't matter, and by systematically depriving projects and their readers of whole classes of interwiki links (which happens because the local purpose of interwikis is not really compatible with the dubious ontological structure of Wikidata).  Fwiw, I think the existing data structures of Wikidata could be made productive use of, if each local page had a prioritized list of Wikidata items, with a semi-automated tool &mdash; I hope eventually to write this, using my dialog tools &mdash; that helps to maintain a local set on interwikis by comparing the current local interwikis to the contents of the listed Wikidata items.  Ordinarily, one looks for an interwiki for a given language at each Wikidata item in turn until one finds one or runs out of items.  If the current local data disagrees with the contents found at Wikidata, there may be a note left in the past about why in this particular case there should be deviation between the two.  The possible actions to take are:  update the local data from the Wikidata content; update the Wikidata content from the local data; make/alter/remove notes about this deviation between local and Wikidata; or (of course) leave things as they are for now. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 11:59, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * By the way, MediaWiki:Gadget-sidebartranslate would have to be adapted to Wikidata. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 11:27, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

About your bot
I don't remember it being flagged for botflags. Is there something I'm missing? --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 01:43, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * &lt;butting in&gt; It doesn't have the bot flag, and afaict it probably doesn't need it. Looks like WB:BOT would call for a request-for-permissions process if the operator wanted the bot flag for it.  (It does have the reviewer flag, having evidently met the criteria for autopromotion.)  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 02:43, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello actually I had asked for this flag two times, in 2010 and 2014, for several reasons including the treatment of Special:UncategorizedPages (which is almost finished by the way) on Requests for permissions/JackBot.
 * So we could add a section to this request or create a new page like Requests for permissions/JackBot (2) if you want. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 06:34, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

I'd rely on Pi zero's opinion, as this situation is quite new to me. --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 16:25, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Your revert on 2ch Chronicle
I was removing a section that was repeated on 2ch Chronicle.Eat me, I&#39;m an azuki (discuss • contribs) 23:34, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * OK I understand now, sorry for the blunder. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 12:39, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Science: An Elementary Teacher’s Guide/Water Pressure and Buoyancy
Hi, why did you delete this page? The delete log says it was spam or a test but judging by the editor's previous edits it was probably just an early draft for a page in that book.ЗAНИA talk 11:57, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your review, I've restored it because it was an occupational habit which didn't take into account the non-reviewer user service record. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 14:17, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Body Cameras chapter in Lentis
Hello. Lentis ( https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lentis ) is a class project. I have a team of three students who are trying to add a legitimate chapter to it called Body Cameras. ( https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Body_Cameras&action=edit&redlink=1 ) But you've deleted the chapter. Can you please undelete the chapter so the team can continue to work on it? The chapter will be a documented nonfiction chapter in a textbook on social aspects of technology. The book already has dozens of chapters and this new one will be a valuable addition. Many thanks for your help. Norton (discuss • contribs) 22:06, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm confused for this mistake, please find the restored chapter on Lentis/Body Cameras. JackPotte (discuss • contribs) 22:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, JackPotte. Your prompt help is very greatly appreciated! Norton (discuss • contribs) 22:18, 6 December 2016 (UTC)