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Hi, to the author of the section of "Psychology's Transition to a Scientific Discipline", I am thinking of adding a more explanatory paragraph on what the British Psychological Society is, and how it's emergence contributed to the creation of the discipline! Is that alright? -- Hellllothere (discuss • contribs) 16:12, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Hellllothere, I think that a BPS explanatory paragraph is a great idea! I read what you wrote, and was curious about what sources suggest that psychology was previously regarded as a hobby? From what I've researched, although prior to the late 1800s/early 1900s it was more theoretical than experimental, psychology was still regarded as an academic pursuit. Blacklipstick (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi again! Okay, I will check up on that and do a bit more research! Thank you for pointing that out! -- Hellllothere (discuss • contribs) 11:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Directed to author of the section of "History of Environmental Sciences as a discipline", This is more of a content validity issue. I was reading "Environmental studies: discipline or metadiscipline" by L.K. Caldwell after you mentioned that environmental studies is a meta discipline and then did some more research on what the prefix "meta-" means after Caldwell's publication made me question how generally accepted it is that environmental studies are a meta discipline. According to Cambridge Dictionary and also looking into epistemology, "meta" means "referring to itself or to something of its own type". For example, metaethics studies what ethics is, metalogic studies what logic is, and so on. Through analogy, meta disciplines should study what the respective discipline is, which is not what environmental studies do. What I intend to say is that I don't think Caldwell's publication is widely accepted (as further proof, the article has very few citations), hence it shouldn't be included in an objective description of the discipline. What do you think? Icloneseashells (discuss • contribs) 16:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

To the author of How Did Neuroscience Begin as an Academic Discipline? I have written a short paragraph about how developments in technology are one of the biggest causes of paradigm shifts in the world of science, and I think it would work well if it was added to your current 3rd paragraph. Is it ok with you if I insert it there? Blacklipstick (discuss • contribs) 17:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Blacklipstick,
 * The more information the better! I also read an article about this and I think it would definitely serve the purpose of the assignment well. Thank you! Icloneseashells (discuss • contribs) 09:46, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

"How did Neuroscience begin as an Academic Discipline?" Title
Hi, I just wanted to suggest changing the name of this article so that it isn't a question, for example: Neuroscience as an academic discipline. What does the author think? I didn't make the edit in case you disagree.

Onchesilbeach (discuss • contribs) 21:41, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Yes I think that would be more adequate. Thank you! Icloneseashells (discuss • contribs) 09:43, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

History of environmental sciences suggestions
Hey RomarinLavende, I read about your essay. I think it is really interesting! However, I think that you could add a bit of the history of environmental awareness and environmentalism. Thousands of years ago tribes had rituals and beliefs about how human should treat nature. I read an article about the History of the environmentalism. For example, Taoist thought that the patterns of nature should reflect the human's way of life. Perhaps, exploring this aspect of environmentalism could add some historical background to your essay, and for example linking it to today's environmentalism. How did we shift from environmental rituals to environmental sciences? Also, I think that you could be a bit more specific about the rise of awareness when you talk about WWII, feminism... How does that created awareness? Why at this particular time did people start to care about the environment? Looking at the shift from science to social science and why environmentalism went beyond science and became also a societal issue can really be interesting... Hudsonvalley12 (discuss • contribs) 08:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello Hudsonvalley12! Thank you for your comments on my paragraph and your advice. You are welcomed to add your example on the Taoist culture and deeper explanations on our shift from environmental rituals to environmental sciences.

Moreover, your question about the link between feminism, post war/pacific and civil war movements; and environmental awareness made me realise how vaguely I explained it so I will add more details and you can tell me what you think of it (if it is clearer). Of course, these movements were not the only supporters of the environmental movement but I thought they were more interesting to mention. However, I plan on adding more obvious examples such as the creation of different academic societies asking for more environmental studies. Romarinlavende (discuss • contribs) 13:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi!

Your paragraph on environmental sciences is very interesting! I thought of a few things to add to your article. In my opinion, environmental science as a discipline took a major turn in the 21 st century and I could therefore add a part on this and perhaps refer to the Paris agreement as a political convention is a figure of authority in the establishment of the discipline. Here is what I would add:

In the 21st century, increased political and social globalization has contributed to collective responses to environmental issues. For example, in 2015, the United Nations Climate Change Conference, or COP 21, negotiated the Paris Agreement was a global agreement on the reduction of climate change. The members agreed to reduce their carbon output and keep global warming to well below 2 degrees C. 1. Qu'est-ce que la COP 21 ? [Internet]. Agence Parisienne du Climat. 2018 [cited 9 November 2020]. Available from: https://www.apc-paris.com/COP-21 Despite being high emitters when compared to the world’s poorest countries, many of the world’s developed countries are now reducing their carbon footprint size, in part owing to a move towards renewable energy (Germany) or a shift from coal-burning to gas-burning. The rise of the internet and information flows (e.g. social media) has also helped to improve awareness concerning the environmental status.

Bascrzm (discuss • contribs) 19:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi! I think your contribution would be interesting to give a overall view of the current state of environmental issues and how they're approached nowadays although I don't really see the link to its emergence as a discipline... You can still add your paragraph to the section, just be sure to precise that it is an observation of the ongoing state of environmental issues :) 128.86.177.101 (discuss) 10:28, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi!, I really enjoyed reading this contribution, especially with the new additions, for example including Taoist ideologies - I thought this was really interesting. I was just reading your citation for “Silent Spring”, and was wondering if it would be better to reference the book itself rather than the wikipedia page? As I feel that the information about it from the wikipedia page ultimately comes from the book itself. But I understand that you may have a different reason for doing so, which is fine as well!Onchesilbeach (discuss • contribs) 16:17, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Suggestions on the "Creation of Modern Nutritional Sciences as discipline"
Hi Bascrzm, I have read your contribution to the creation of modern nutritional sciences as a discipline which I found pretty interesting. However, I wanted to suggest you a couple of things. Firstly, you state Nutritional Sciences as interdisciplinary discipline before explaining why it is a discipline, therefore I simply thought of changing the order of the paragraphs. Secondly, I found an impressive article on the early emergence of the history of the nutrition science which gives more precisions you could add on the beginning of Nutrition Sciences as a discipline coming from chemistry (as you already say in on of your paragraphs) and dates it earlier than the discovery of the Vitamin B. So I thought it could be useful for you to add... Romarinlavende (discuss • contribs) 13:43, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear Romarinlavande,

A big thank you for this very interesting article that i have now used in my paragraph! i also took into account your comment on the structure. Bascrzm (discuss • contribs) 20:12, 9 Novembre 2020 (UTC)

From 11er467va to the author of 'Neuroscience as an Academic Discipline'
First of all, just to say it was a really concise, clear and easy to read contribution! I only had a few comments mostly related to typos or punctuation. The first of which is that you've still got the 'et al' at the end of the second sentence,the second is perhaps changing 'onto' to 'on' in the third sentence - as this is the typical form of the idiom, and then I would perhaps add a comma after 'renaissance'. You could potentially change the beginning of the third paragraph to 'As technology progressed, it became easier for...', just to create a more formal register, similarly with changing 'coming up with' to 'discovering' or another more formal synonym. In the same paragraph you've also written 'was a technique key later used to understand', I wasn't sure if this was intentional or result of writing both 'technique used later' or 'technique key in understanding' - I could be wrong though! Overall I think it is really effective that you've included several dates to consider throughout, as well as in the final paragraph focusing directly on when neuroscience became a discipline according to the 'university subject' and 'department' criteria.

From 11er467va to the author of 'Women's Studies as a Discipline'
Such a good choice of topic for history! I only have a couple of tiny suggestions and they're mostly to do with referencing: I noticed the first line wasn't referenced and I thought perhaps it should be, as well as the sentence in the first paragraph ending in 'scholars' and the following sentence about Madge Dawson. Also, you could potentially change 'in the first place' to 'originally', 'proper' to 'official', 'all around the world' to 'across the globe', to change the tenor of the text to a more professional one. As I said, just suggestions though!

Women's Studies as a Discipline

To the editor of “Women’s studies as a discipline”:

Great idea as a continuing emerging discipline! When reading your text you mentioned “empowerment of the feminism movement” i thought it would contribute to the importance and understanding of this discipline if you just mentioned some of the feminist movements which had a significant impact on society and feminism within itself (ex- the women’s liberation or the Suffragette movements) this is only a suggestion but even just a mention might contribute to your explanations! I can add the contribution f you wish or you can explore it and add it in your prepared way yourself if you feel it is appropriate. Hi! so I added a small part mentioning the suffragette movement in the end, I hope that is okay with you? if not I can change it or delete it!

To the author of "From Orators to Lawyers: when law became a discipline"
Hey! I find your topic really interesting, and I have added few sentences at the end of your paragraph about the emergence of law as university discipline! I think it is quite relevant and it is worth to have it in your paragraph! I focused on the history of Europe, you may want to elaborate on that topic! This is what I inserted:

The first European university to teach law, was a Bologna University in Italy. Bologna law school has been established by legal scholars from glossator school in Bologna in 12th century. During Middle Ages most of European universities has taught Roman Law, and introduced the study of national law in the beginning of 18th century.

I have also added this bit into your paragraph, as I found it quite interesting and relevant - check it out! As the time went on, the new genre of legal literature has emerged, and some jurisconsults became a regular law teachers.

My last suggestion would be changing a title a little bit so it will be more concise and shorter - for something like "The emergence of law as a disciple". You could emphases it's roots in orators by adding a subtitle "Origins" or "History". What do you think?

Your contribution is great and very relevant! Indeed, your contribution shows that there is not only one truth :) and show an alternative view... Stunning! You're right, I will change it!

--Dearenemy (discuss • contribs) 21:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)