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Hey guys here's the wikipg: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Issues_in_Interdisciplinarity_2018-19/Disciplinary_Categories_and_Reframing_Deforestation_in_Guinea

Current word count: 1090 Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 14:08, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Current word count: 2134 Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 12:26, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Current word count: 2307 Natamana (discuss • contribs) 21:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC) this is the discussion page!'' don't forget of use your name stamp

in response to above, we could do this! but, I noticed the repeat of the subtitle 'research methodology' in the case study section - which we have discussed in general beforehand. so just a suggestion I have, is to try and integrate the case study throughout the chapter to serve as an example for the points we are making about issues of disciplinary categories - let me know what you think Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 21:03, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I feel that its important for us to get all our content together before friday, so we can have the weekend to fine-tune our use of word, hyperlinks, referencing (deadline next monday :((. I'm gonna do my best to get some things done today Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 11:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

- I agree Jeniffer, I think that the content of the Case Study will overlap with many of these initial subtitles. We probably can't solve this until we have a main body of text on the case study (maybe like 600 words, which we could edit down). I'm happy to start writing, incorporating what's there already and the links that you guys have added, but if you've written anything since, please post it into the main page so that it gets used! Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 11:44, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Title ideas
'Discipinary Categories and Reframing Deforestation" Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 14:50, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Technical issuess
I can't move the table of contents! I've tried using the code '_TOC_'. Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 14:41, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

DW, i've solved it by removing the title - we can add it back when we transfer this to a real page. Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 11:21, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Manuela's Feedback
- One case study is better, 2 case studies may be too much (but it depends on our wikibook) - a clear structure is not too important, but your reader must go from one section to another and understand why the flow is as such - Title: Disciplinary Categories: - INTRO: 1-2 sentences to explain what we are doing What are disciplinary categories, why are we talking about this... - wants explicit interdisciplinarity: conflict between two disciplines etc

Introduction which disciplines are involved state the fact that it is interdisciplinary even sharper 'this is interesting for someone

Ideas for Introduction
Disciplinary categories are created to organise knowledge according to a variety of factors - i.e. similar perspectives and methodologies regarding issues.

These disciplinary categories are often shaped by the social and cultural contexts of the time, in the sense that the categories which “dominate” in terms of their input on world issues (higher in the hierarchy), depends on the social framework, what is being developed at the time, as well as the means by which communication is able.

Viewpoints of disciplinary categories that can use accessible forms of communication to get their views on a problem across, will be the ones that are ‘heard’/listened to.

[this is only an idea i’ve got in my head which i’ll think about a bit more, but still not sure if it makes complete sense]

The role of disciplinary categories for ‘communication’ (the last paragraph in the ‘Art therefore entropy’ article got me thinking about this a little) In what way it hinders communication - and that’s how it becomes an issue.

Society’s framework: the government being more increasingly involved in environmental issues such as deforestation - may mean that viewpoints within the discipline of politics is given a ‘greater’ weight. So disciplinary categories are affected by social constructs in a way?

This can prove to be an issue when interdisciplinary work is necessary in order to find a solution - considering different categories on an equal foot.

Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Etymology
Hey guys I found this interesting bit on the etymology of “disciplinary categories” from this article I was reading: [THE CASE FOR CROSS-DISCIPLINARY APPROACHES IN INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT by Prof. John Harris, link: http://www.lse.ac.uk/internationalDevelopment/pdf/WP/WP23.pdf]

“ The English word ‘discipline’ derives from the Latin ‘disciplus’, which means ‘disciple’, and it was used at an early stage in the development of the language to refer to “the training of scholars and subordinates [disciples in other words] to proper conduct and action by instructing and exercising them in the same” (OED). ‘Discipline’ has the meaning, too, of “a system of rules for conduct”, as well as of “the order maintained among persons under control or command” or “a trained condition”; ……… “

And then he went on to talk about how it implies that in academic disciplines, it is intrinsic to have a set of boundaries/rules and in order to maintain the system, anything that strays from the canon is treated as ‘unacceptable’. And then he went on to argue: Our starting point is that one of the most fruitful ways of maintaining this tension is through deep immersion in a discipline, combined with the constant subjecting of knowledge deriving from the discipline to that developed in others. Natamana (discuss • contribs) 15:44, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

This is really good - we definitely need to reduce the intro down quite a lot - If we can discuss this in a concise manner, it would be good. Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 11:23, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

should we mention the etymology of the word 'categories' too, or is the etymology of 'disciplines' sufficient? but yes, I agree we can make the intro more concise Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 21:49, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Possible quotes
‘Academic and policy debates are compartmentalised into areas such as agriculture or health. Rarely do the different disciplines manage to speak to one another. “We urgently need new, interdisciplinary approaches to understanding and addressing situations that combine an understanding of social, technological, and environmental processes’ ‘Experiencing the differences in disciplines and trying to find bridges across those cultures’ (https://www.theguardian.com/education/2007/jul/17/highereducationprofile.academicexperts) Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

"Categories are the cornerstones of cognition and culture" - Peter Morville 'Intertwingled' - He has a very interesting discussion about categories and information architecture in Chapter 2 of his book. Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

---> “We urgently need new, interdisciplinary approaches to understanding and addressing situations that combine an understanding of social, technological, and environmental processes’ --> I really like this one! add it in Jeniffer :))) Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 11:55, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

will do Indigo! Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 21:51, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Details of case study: from Leach's own research paper
Guys, I've added in some sub-sections within the case study category, so that the writing for it can be easier, more approachable and organised. I wasn't necessarily thinking of keeping them, but if it makes it easier to read at the end, we can. Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 12:21, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Many of West Africa’s forest areas were initially reserved for commercial reasons during the colonial period, but in the post-colonial era, the forests are mostly seen as important conservation sites, and this perspective aligns with the global and regional environmental agenda. This, however, contradicts the view of the local people, who have other needs for the land and the resources within the forests. Usually, conservationists portray West Africa’s remaining forests as ‘undisturbed’, and this supports their view that we should attempt to conserve the habitats and biodiversity that is in these ‘pristine’ areas as they are of particularly high value. Thus, it is easy to chalk up the depopulation of the forest to excessive usage by the local people. On the contrary, the history of land use in the area says otherwise. Few of West Africa’s forests remain undisturbed. Depopulation in West Africa’s forests are linked to warfare, slavery, and disease, like areas such as Gola and Sierra Leone. Not considering the history of the land causes researchers to overlook future vegetation possibilities.

“long-term legacy of legacy of past habitation and land management influences future vegetation possibilities, notably through its impact on soils and species distribution. Ecologists have normally considered this legacy only in negative terms: land use degrades soils and species diversity, reducing the potential of forest to regenerate.” However, following inhabitation and cultivation, some soils exhibit improved nutritional and structural properties. “Although intensive human use has often been blamed for the savannisation of forest, it can have the opposite effect”  I'd say this is the main argument of our case study: overlooking history, indigenous knowledge, anthropology will lead to the flawed assumption that land use = deforestation! Natamana (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

this is really interesting! From this, I think it's clear that the main conflict here is between the disciplines of biology(ecology)/politics and history/anthropology. Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 00:58, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

'''Discussion of deforestation in Guinea in terms of its initial issue '''

The issue of deforestation has been predominantly highlighted due to increasing evidence from Biological disciplines including the impact on species diversity, as well as abiotic factors such as soil and temperature. A way to confront this issue has involved discussions of policymakers, however a successful collaboration between scientists, policymakers, and the people living near/involved with the forests often, have not been noticeable. This all stems back to the existence of Disciplinary categories. These boundaries have allowed the flourishing of terminology and methodology in a specific field of study, yet there seems to be a ‘cultural’ void when they are not efficiently and clearly exchanged between disciplines. (https://www.theguardian.com/science/political-science/2016/apr/27/if-scientists-want-to-influence-policymaking-they-need-to-understand-it) It is crucial therefore that when provided with data about the deforestation of a certain forest, it is not sufficient to observe and come to conclusions about the data based on ideas from one disciplinary category, but ensuring that perspectives from other categories are acknowledged and discussed. The issue in the deforestation problem in Guinea, was that it had been concluded that the data gathered showed negative effects of deforestation in Guinea, and failed to consider the ‘social structures’ that exist in Guinea, that could be explained and explored using Anthropological, Ethical and Social ideas, which had crucial underlying role in why trees in the forest were being cut down. It was the case that factors of agriculture and economy were pointed as the causal factors, when the significance of forests to the cultural sphere of the people living there was not studied. (Adelson, Glenn, et al. “Deforestation.” Environment: An Interdisciplinary Anthology, edited by Erin Sheley, Yale University Press, 2008, pp. 172–212. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt5vkqnr.14. Discussion of deforestation )

I feel like there's great content here, but we need a structure for presenting the case study. I'm gonna read a bit, then attempt to come up with one. Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 11:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

http://www.environmentandsociety.org/sites/default/files/key_docs/Fairhead-Leach-1-1.pdf ‘studies have ignored how local inhabitants consider their resource management practises to affect the vegetation patterns of the zone’

Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

great useful articles
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/03075079412331382007?needAccess=true P 154 on here is really good. This is a great article, worth a read Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 11:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2Fs00267-009-9383-8.pdf On disciplinary categories and (environmental) conservation - really relevant!!! Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 11:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC) -- > “What insights are gained from bringing a particular disciplinary approach or perspective to a conservation dialogue, discussion, or project? How can we better integrate differing perspectives, and collaborate with practitioners from a variety of backgrounds? How do we break down the boundaries between disciplines in our professional lives when conservation training and education for the most part remain departmentalized? How can academics and practitioners from different disciplines develop and speak a more universal language? And how can we translate an interdisciplinary approach into both academic and applied conservation endeavors?” Indigoclarkson (discuss • contribs) 14:44, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Adelson, Glenn, et al. “Deforestation.” Environment: An Interdisciplinary Anthology, edited by Erin Sheley, Yale University Press, 2008, pp. 172–212. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt5vkqnr.14. - Discussion of deforestation and disciplines Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

https://www.theguardian.com/science/political-science/2016/apr/27/if-scientists-want-to-influence-policymaking-they-need-to-understand-it - there are a lot of articles discussing the need for policymakers and scientists to actually be able to take into account multiple disciplines, rather than one Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg3/en/ch9s9-6-1.html - government policies on deforestation - trying to reduce deforesatation by offering ‘financial incentives’ to owners of forests in 'developing countries' - predominantly an economically based solution Jenifferj09 (discuss • contribs) 19:25, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

hyperlinks
Choose interesting hyperlinks!

=MANUELA'S FEEDBACK (5/12)= make things sharper!!! -> the conclusion (make it clearer how it works) interdisciplinary -> considering different considering only a restricted amount of discipline: missing an impt part of the evidence, and the conclusions are only partial. Showing how including more disciplines =

show how the disciplines can lead to different views. [contradictory views] once you overcome the tension, you can get a better conclusion - put this in the introduction its interdisciplinarity not bc we have tons of disciplines, but because we have CONNECTIONS between disciplines

It's not that diff disciplines do diff things - we need to show more connections and critical analysis

make it explicit: i will do _____ (show this connection) and then you do it (then u actually show the connection)

ETYMOLOGY - combine with definition

one thing we are not saying: "approaching this through a set of qns: range, communication, hierarchy Only 3 subtitles?

Intro in future, conclusion in past/present