User talk:German Men92

Congrats
Hey, would just like to say that I greatly appreciate what you do, and am making great use of the german book. Keep up the great work!

Images
I see you are doing great work with language books and I would like to thank you for your effort. I have few hints for you. Please don't upload any images from any Wikipedia here - it's a waste of server space. Instead, upload them to Commons and mark with {NowCommons} temlate on their parent Wikipedias. Images from Commons are easier to maintain (there's a single version for all Wikimedia projects). I also noticed that you don't include author and license when you copy files. Please be very careful with that - some images from English Wikipedia are fair use and cannot be used at Commons and other Wikipedias. If you aren't familiar with Commons, just let me know.

Other thing is organisation of German book. German: Level III and German: Level II have in fact the same chapters. I suggest creating new table of contents for Level III, in my opinion this material is rather basic, not intermediate and should belong to Level II.

I think you can tweak look of the book a bit. If you add class="wikitable" to table, you'll get a nicer table. --Derbeth talk 10:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I was planning do to something with Level 3, after I get German more in shape. I don't really know commons very well. Could exprot thst image I have upload to wikibook to commons? and sorry about the pictures, I don't know the author, I just thought if it is allowed on wikipedia, it's allowed everywhere else.


 * English Wikipedia has bad image use policy, it allows anything, you cannot be sure whether an image can be safely used or not. I reccomend you to only use images from Commons and do not upload any images here. For example, I don't understand why you uploaded Image:Osterreich Wappen 2.jpg, where there was much better version of it at Commons. Another problem is that you don't include licenses - every image has to have a license, no matter where it comes from. --Derbeth talk 10:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Can I have the link to the austria coat of arms, which is better. Where can I go to edit stuff, so I can put the license.

About the image size for German: Front Page, are you sure you want to keep it so big? I know you must have a 1024x768 monitor resolution or higher, but many, many people still haven't upgraded to that yet. About 20% of internet users have only 800x600 resolution. For them, even at the compromise 750 size, all they see are the hills in the picture (without scrolling), not even any buildings. Sidescrolling is needed to see the whole thing lengthwise and even when centered on the screen it doesn't fit height-wise. Do you really want that to be what 1/5 of visitors see? To test what things look like, just make a bookmark with the address: javascript:void(window.resizeTo(800,600)) Click on the link to resize your browser window and see the world from a new perspective. ;)

&mdash; Everlong 21:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I did, it really wasn't all that bad, I would I will turn it down to 700 or 715, that would be good, becuase it not HUGE in 800x600, however big, and it isn't too small for the rest of them. --German Men92 22:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Please do not decrease the sizes of images (namely Image:SchlossHeidelberg2.jpg) on the Commons. Doing so has no benefit, and the image may be used on other projects at a larger size. --Hagindaz 04:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It actually does have benefits, no matter what increasing or decreasing the image, it will be higher quality. --German Men92 13:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Helping out
I see you're learning dutch. I'm learning norwegian myself, like you. We might be able to help eachother out. Especially if you use a VoIP program. (pronounciation is important too ;) ) Let me know if you're on some type of IM or VoIP program, and i could contact you. Or let me know if you don't want that at all. Linforcer 11:18, 24 February 2006 (UTC)Tommy Quist (linforcer)

German Textbook
Great to see your efforts to keep the German Language text moving along. I'll check in every once in awhile, but do not need to be "consulted" on any changes you think will improve. The book needs a strong proponent and does not need me - marsh 18:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Norwegian articles
Thanks for fixing them up and such, but please, do not subst the NorwegianTOC template. It will make it horribly cumbersome when you add, say, the seventh lesson, and you need to go back and update six pages for that. Or say you add lesson number 20, for that sake. 19 other articles to fix. The template is there for a reason, you see. DarkPhoenix 21:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

about image:French main image.png
There is a 's' missing in the word at the center. Greudin 10:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)


 * There isn't suppose to be a 's' in the center. --German Men92 15:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Can I use the image as a redirect? Thanks again for creating it. And I do think he's right. I don't think réaliez is a word in French and the command "realize" is "réalisez." --Hagindaz 02:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)--Hagindaz

Okay, i'll try to fix it. --German Men92 15:07, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Just a reminder, update the image whenever you have some free time. Thanks --Hagindaz 17:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, will I've just been busy, I'll do it today, or tomorrow. And about the ne image thing for the French book, i'll have to get to later, after I'm done with a German wikibook, or take a break from it.

--German Men92 17:51, 8 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think Réalisez! is great. I just changed it temporarily while I changed the background from transparency to white (IE has problems with clear pngs, also see w:Wikipedia:Browser notes) and trimmed it a bit. I don't have enough photo editing knowledge to add the s in there, so I decided to temporarily change it to français . So, please change it back and add an s in there. Thanks. (and how would it violate WB:NPOV?) Thanks again! --Hagindaz 17:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I did add the 's' lol. I'll put the white on too. --German Men92 18:35, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Image:Germany orb.jpg and Image:Switzerland orb.jpg
I noticed that your Image:Austria orb.jpg is under GFDL, because you put the template GFDL-self on the image page (or you chose that license/licence from the menu on Special:Upload). However, your Image:Germany orb.jpg is missing a license. Could you please add one? If you add the GFDL-self, tag, your Germany orb would have the same license as your Austria orb. Also, Image:Switzerland orb.jpg is missing a license.

Thanks for adding images to Wikibooks, --Kernigh 20:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I tried adding on after reading this, but it won't work, I'm sorry. --German Men92 22:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Image:German.jpg
Please remember about licence of images. --Derbeth talk 15:38, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, yea, I forgot, I'll put it on today. --German Men92 19:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Polish
From what I see on your user page, you are learning Polish. Well, good luck :) If you have any question, you can write to me.

I was planning to do something with Polish Wikibook, because I think in current shape it is rather unusable and does not teach practical language skills. I don't have much time now but I think that if I do something with it, I will borrow some ideas from German Wikibook, like order of lessons and so one. --Derbeth talk 16:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am, it's the most difficult language I'm learning, lol, I'm glad the German book has been benefical to other (future) books. --German Men92 19:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congratulations, you have just been made sysop. I hope you will use new functions with consideration. If you have any questions about administrator's tools, you can leave me a message.

When it comes to Mfinney case, there is still no consensus (it is general practice, but no policy, to consider user gained community trust when he has more than 80% support). I also am not contented that you put admin userbox on your user page before the vote was officially closed. I was away from computer and could not made you sysop before and anyone could cast oppose vote. --Derbeth talk 21:05, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Block conflict
You have just created a block conflict with user:82.211.102.138. When two bocks are applied, only shorter one is used. When you see a vandal, go to his contributions page. You can find "block" and "block log" links there; use second one first. And another thing: never block IP's infinitely unless they are confirmed open proxies. It is not important how serious vandalism was - many other people can be using that IP. You can use spam database lookup at http://dnsstuff.com but remember that there are some false positives and IP can be considered spam/open proxy only when there are many listings (more than 5). Gernerally, IPs shouldn't be blocked for longer than 3 or (in extreme cases of mass spam) 6 months. --Derbeth talk 20:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for that, and wasn't totally sure, but now I know, thank you. --German Men92 20:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, and another thing. This does not apply in this case, but if there is a block conflict or you want to prolong a block, you have to unblock the IP first (this would remove all blocks) and then apply new block. --Derbeth talk 21:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Policy review
Policy is not the most exciting subject at Wikibooks but we do have some major unresolved issues.

The most important issue, in my opinion, is Dispute resolution which starts by declaring that:

"Currently there is no official organized process to resolve disputes between users"

The suggested remedy for this is: Ad hoc administration committee which puts into place the absolute minimum in terms of an enforcement apparatus.

The second most important is No personal attacks where a vote has recommended the policy be enforced but it still languishes as "proposed".

The third policy that is needed and which will prevent edit disputes from getting out of hand is Editing disputes policy.

Other policies that need consideration are at: Policies and guidelines.

Please spare a minute or two to peruse these issues and add a comment and/or a vote. RobinH 12:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Vocabulary tables
I suggest you use the input system from es:Plantilla:VocTabla (which also uses es:Plantilla:VocFila). This has a simpler input system than wikitables. See Franc%C3%A9s/Vocabulario/La_ropa for a usage example. --Hagindaz 22:55, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I like your better though, it better designed, current;y i'm just doing some messing around with it right now. --German Men92 22:57, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about not having to start new columns for every word. The title and colors can stay. This will encourage users to contribute vocabulary and make it easier to update. I plan on eventually doing this for the French book. Since the German template hasn't been applied yet, I recommend you go with the easier method from the beginning. Also note that the example templates on the German table page only show the previous update, so you'll have to fake edit the page to see the changes. --Hagindaz 23:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll consider, but right now I HAVE to modernize the german book, so i'll do German table first, i fif I don't like afterwards, I'll change. --German Men92 23:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I cleaned up the code on French Table, so you may wish to update yours. I HIGHLY recommend you use the Spanish one. All you would have to enter is:


 * It's much simpler and the template can be copy/pasted without any corrections. You will also be able to create much better borders. --Hagindaz 23:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I actually completed the german table, and I like it might not be the easiest thing, but once one get a handle of it is a pretty good table. --German Men92 23:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * For clarification: The additions would not affect any part of the template you already have. Just copy/paste them after the "|-" and upload es:Plantilla:VocFila. This will save you a lot of time and will not confuse other contributors. --Hagindaz 23:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Print versions of German
Congrats on (most likely) winning Book of the Month! Are you planning on creating print and PDF versions of the book? If not, would you mind if I do them? Congratulations, Hagindaz 21:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I would love to have print verisons, its been so busy, with be becoming an admin and tring to progress the german book, so can do print verisons for the German book, thanks. --German Men92 21:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I created a print version and will do a PDF from it. For level two and above, I used the naming scheme you used for level one, so they will not appear on the print version until you move them. As I was making the print version, I noticed a few discrepencies. Here are some suggestions:


 * First of all, pick a consistent capitalization scheme and stick with it. (For the French book, I only capitalize the first letter after every slash.) Secondly, use descriptive title names. Instead of "/Appendix 2," use "/Phrase book." Thirdly, I suggest that you have a questions and answers page, like French/Q&A (which I shamelessly stole from Japanese).


 * Fourthly, I think the sections outside of the lessons (appedices and grammar) should be more defined. Move the appendices lists to one separate page and link to it from German/Front Page. German Grammar should be integrated into this book, because it is part of the German language, and linked to on the front page.


 * Finally, have a consistent hierarchical scheme. For appendices, you use "German/xxx" and for lessons you use "German/Level I/xxx." Use one or the other. I created the scheme for the French book early on, when I didn't have a good idea of the book's organization. I recommend (and this is what I will eventually do for French): "German/1.01:Wie heißt du?," "German/1.02:Freizeit," etc for level one lessons, "German/2.0x:xxx" for level two lessons, and "German/A.01:Alphabet" for appendices. But if you decide to go with a two-level hierarchy, rename appendices to "German/Appendices/xxx."


 * Note that all of these are only suggestions, so feel free to ignore them all. Best of luck in completeing your book, Hagindaz 23:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, and funnyly enough, I was doing your suggestions when the new message think appeared, lol. --German Men92 23:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Could you make it clear where it is that people should begin. There's an introduction, level one introduction, and first lesson. Maybe at the beginning of the first lesson, have a message box say to first read the forward? Also, make the the level one introduction more prominent, and link to it at the bottom of the general introduction. --Hagindaz 00:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * German Men92, I think the centered frontpage by Hagindaz looked much better. For me at least, it avoids slight overlap of the underlines with the text below it and makes the links to all the levels occupy one line instead of two. Besides, reverting all Hagindaz's work within five minutes because "it was designed to be this way, and centering looks wierd" doesn't seem fair. He was obviously active at the time, so sending a message to work something out would have been a better course. Also, like Hagindaz, I too feel a bit lost when trying to locate where to begin.
 * -- Everlong 02:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to delete or edit the introducion and make more like your French/About--German Men92 00:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

German naming convention
Do you agree with the following structure structure:
 * Scheme for the chapter contents/info pages:
 * German/Appendices, German/Grammar, German/Level I, German/Level II, German/Level III, German/Level IV, German/Level V
 * And this would the scheme for subpages:
 * German/Appendices/Appendix title, German/Grammar/Subpage title, German/Level I/Lesson title, German/Level II/Lesson title, German/Level III/Lesson title, German/Level IV/Lesson title, German/Level V/Lesson title
 * And this would be the scheme for templates:
 * German/Appendices/Header, German/Grammar/Header, German/Level I/Header, German/Level II/Header, German/Level III/Header, German/Level IV/Header, German/Level V/Header
 * German/Appendices/Footer, German/Grammar/Footer, German/Level I/Footer, German/Level II/Footer, German/Level III/Footer, German/Level IV/Footer, German/Level V/Footer
 * And these would be the lone pages linked to from German/Contents:
 * German/About, German/Q&A, German/Planning, German/Introduction
 * And these would be the main pages and templates:
 * German, German/Contents, German/Contents, German/Contents/Footer

Did I get every page? Do you have any concerns about this namimg scheme. BTW, German/Front Page would have to go, just like I stopped using French/Cover when you introduced your new French cover page. German Lessons Compact would be merged into the contents template. I made it specifically for the French book, and it would only add to the confusion if used on German. --✉haginძazt\c 16:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm cool with that, even though I would highly edit the contents page to make it look, at less similar to the front page, and I want to keep the lesson page themself like they are now, (with the "Wikibook's außern!" and the pictures, other then that I guess i'm game). --German Men92 16:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's what I was talking about when I said to keep your own style. So, first decide on capitalization. (I recommend only the first word after every slash be capitalized, unless a common noun.) Then, move the lessons, appendices, and grammar to the agreed to naming convention. Once that's done, I'll create the templates. --✉haginძazt\c 17:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds great! --German Men92 17:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Are the names of the subpages going to be English or German? I personnally recommend English, because your Appendices and chapter titles are in English, and the subject matter is easily recognized by students. --✉haginძazt\c 19:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Lesson names are in German, everything else is English it might seem odd, but it IMHO gives more depth to the lesson itself. --German Men92 20:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * TOCright doesn't work correctly in IE. Don't use it please. --✉haginძazt\c 22:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I just removed it after be unsuccessful at it, even though I have firefox --German Men92 22:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you planning to move all of the German pages to the new naming convention and converting problems to German/Exercise? German becomes book of the month in one hour. Make a good first impression! --✉haginძazt\c 22:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh god, yes! Right now I'm editing the little details, like colors, ect. And I might be rushing, put I need all the templates that are going to be on the contents page, it (content page) is very bare and that isn't a good first impression either. --German Men92 23:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * What else can you have on the contents page? German/Grammar is a mess and the lessons have their own pages. It would be pointless to copy links to the five complete lessons. One thing you could do is use German/Front Page, but replace the links at the top with German/Contents and a link to the introduction, similarly to French/Cover. --✉haginძazt\c 23:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to fix the grammer in a moment, and I would to have a lesson template like on French/Contents, and a Text template, because I have a few links to some German texts. --German Men92 23:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Links should not be given such a prominent possition. I will however create the lessons template right now. --✉haginძazt\c 23:16, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Done! I can't do levels 2+ as you haven't renamed them yet. --✉haginძazt\c 23:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay good, get ready for one for grammer, even though the info quality isn't the best I'm organizing it. --German Men92 23:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, sure thing. We're revolutionizing education, one template at a time! --✉haginძazt\c 23:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Yup! Two wikibookians, a lot of templates, one legend. --German Men92 23:51, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

German naming and subpages
A user changed the heading of the first lesson to "Wie heißt du?" on the print version for capitalization consistency. Please sort out capitalization, and move all pages to that capitalization scheme. Also please update the page names for lessons 2-4. This should only take a few minutes, especially with Firefox tabs.

Why did you delete the subpages of German/Grammar/Nouns? Each subpage had more than enough content to warrent devoting a page to. Secondly, you should never use level one headers, like you did on German/Grammar/Nouns. Thirdly, please update German/Print version whenever you delete or add pages, like your own instructions tell you to do. You also did the same thing for German/Grammar/Verbs. Could you please revert your actions on both pages?

On German/Grammar/Verbs, you started that page on April 30, so it looks like you are the sole author of all that content. Please turn that page into a contents list, and undelete the original subpages and move them to 'German/Grammar/Verbs/...' I cannot fathom why you decided to do what you did. --✉haginძazt\c 18:56, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll get to the capitizion, but have though it's long I just want one page for each part of grammar, not German/Grammar/Verbs/...' but just German/Grammar/Verbs' and German/Grammar/Nouns. --German Men92 20:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

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For future reference, the template - forces everything that follows it to begin at the next line. You would use it after images and templates. See my changes to German/Level I/Zu Hause Essen and French/Lessons/Current events for examples. By the way, would you mind if I include the yellow development warning in the level one header as an optional call like the soundbite request? Either way, add it as part of the 'noinclude' tags. --✉haginძazt\c 22:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay. --German Men92 22:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Nickname hint
In your preferences (click on the section next to talk in the top navigation bar), there's a section that allows you to use an automatic nickname. If the "raw signitures" box is unchecked, what you type in the field goes here. If the box is checked, your entire signiture is replaced by what you give. I'm sorry if you already knew this. Cheers, Russian Man 22:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

lol, I knew that, but I haven't gotten to yet, and, Russian Man, I thought you French Man or something. --German Men92 00:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Language table
You've done an excellent job with the German table template. It has a very professional finish and helps to make things much more readable. :-) For that reason, I wanted to use it in the Brazilian Portuguese section of the Portuguese Wikibook. Of course, it was specific to the German book, so I made a new version. I decided to make a more general version, called Language table (suggestions for a better name are welcome). I think I have made it general enough for other language-teaching Wikibooks to use it, and I hope it can be used as a base for language-specific tables in the future. Please see the discussion page for some of those plans. I am relatively new to Wikimedia templates, so I would be grateful for any advice you can give on the template as it stands, and the plans. Thanks. Mjkaye

No personal attacks Change of text
You voted for enforcement of No personal attacks. The text of this policy has been changed by Jguk during the vote, I have further modified these changes to restore some of the original "bite". This is highly unusual but without these changes Jguk is unwilling to allow the policy to move to enforced. I am happy that the changes are not sufficiently substantial to undermine the policy, if you disagree then please make your views known. Changes to text during a vote could be construed as a delaying tactic so I have proposed a move to "enforced" status by 1st June. RobinH 10:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

PDF Version of the German language book
Hi, I tried to download the PDF version of the German Language book, but somehow even though I have tried for 6 times, each time the screen goes blank and the computer just stops downloading. So I was wondering if there is another alternative PDF version of the German Language Wikibook. Thanks!! 68.48.32.65 01:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Helping you with lesson five
Hey there,

you asked me if I would help you with german lesson five here. I would be happy to do so, but I am going to need a brief introduction first.

Best regards. Human Robot 18:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

General voting rules/Proposal
I want to call the attention of all wikibookians, especially active admins to the discussion about the new voting policy. Wikibooks currently does not have a concrete voting policy in effect, so the adaptation of this policy will potentially create immediate differences in the way business is conducted here. Due to large amounts of discussion, changes, and dissention, there are several versions of this policy being considered:


 * Version 1 Written by User:Whiteknight
 * Version 2 Written by User:Jguk
 * Version 3 User:RobinH's revision of Jguk's version
 * Version 4 Written by User:Kellen
 * Version 5 Whiteknight's Revision of Kellen's Version.

Also, there are additional issues being discussed, such as the inclusion of a "minimum contributions" clause, that will limit users with less then 20 votes from editing. Also, there is a proposed clause that would allow this 20 vote minimum to be raised in response to abuse.

I am sending this same message to all currently active admins. I hope you are able to come in and give your opinions on this matter. --Whiteknight (talk) (projects) 20:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment on the long list of languages you speak
Hello! Thank you very much for all the efford you put into the wikibook projects, but there's something I wonder about. How is it possible that on the 4th of February 2006 you write in your profile, that you are just beginning to learn the german language, and on March 11st you consider yourself as a native speaker. How does that fit together? Cheonhajangsa 06:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Your De-Adminship
You have been listed on WB:RFA for de-adminship. You will have your rights removed on 3 Aug 2007. If you contest this nomination, please respond on the previously-linked page. Thanks. -within focus 01:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry if that above notification seems a little bit harsh, it isn't intended to be antagonistic. A while back we approved a policy that admins who are inactive for more then a year can be de-admined. This isn't any kind of a punishment or anything, so I sincerely hope you don't take it in a negative way. If you have any questions about this policy, let me know. --Whiteknight (Page) (Talk) 01:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

German Book
Hello.

Although I see that you have been away from say 2006, I still wanted to post this, so in future in case you see it and have any Q's. I am currently revamping the complete German Book, and am going to amend the chapters, their wises and vices too, so what will happen is that the chapters will switch places also the lessons will be places as per the lektion wises. Like the chapter 01 would be moved to say chapter 03, for e.g., likewise.

Also, the lessons have very less English interpretations, which are required for there are many non German people using this book (at my work place there are a few who use this). So what I am doing is adding the English wordings while going through the chapters in a more prominent way.

Oh, BTW, your work has been splendid and wish you were active while I am doing this, so you could assist me.

Hope it works fine. Danke. Vishal Bakhai - Works 14:46, 25 May 2014 (UTC)