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Wikilinks
Books are meant to be self-contained if possible, so try to avoid linking too much to Wikipedia and instead explain important concepts as they come up. See Dewikify for additional information. Thanks. – Adrignola discuss 00:42, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia content
If you use pages from Wikipedia, you need to request their history be imported here, else it's a copyright violation that will have to be deleted. – Adrignola discuss 01:51, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've now imported the history of the pages so you can continue to work on them without worries. Let me know if you run into any problems. – Adrignola discuss 02:32, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Help requested
Adrignola I was wondering if you can recommend language or wording to acknowledge that the basis for this book was a wikipedia article that I wrote and no one else edited. Specifically, is it just a courtesy to acknowledge that or is it a policy imperative due to copyright, etc.? Thanks in advance you have been quite helpful, patient and considerate in the past. Geofferybard (discuss • contribs) 03:12, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If you click on "permanent link" in the toolbox on the left-hand side at Wikipedia, you can provide a long-term citation for content for Wikipedia either placed directly in a generic footnotes section or indirectly in a references section using reflist, with the link placed between  tags just after the content (see WB:REFS). – Adrignola discuss 03:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Very cool. Wikibooks is so awesome tech support at the speed of light. Unfortunately, the University here is shutting down that means I am offline. Thanks again. Geofferybard (discuss • contribs) 03:45, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Classifying,Talk headers and TOC-Subpage expansion: y
CCO Resources details the classifications each book should have. Categories emphasizes the need to use specific categories for each book, as it's not a keyword list, but rather the most accurate representation of what subject the book covers. You can use talk header to stub out a discussion page. Are you planning to expand the many one-page books you have created using imported material? Have you seen our help guide Using Wikibooks for developing a table of contents for linking to "subpages"? – Adrignola discuss 14:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Reposted for ease of reading inline reply

 * CCO Resources details the classifications each book should have. OK I am adding them in.-Geof Categories emphasizes the need to use specific categories for each book, as it's not a keyword list, but rather the most accurate representation of what subject the book covers. Hmmm...guess that means a 'one per customer' policy on the categories. I will read or re-read WB:Categories.-Geof

You can use talk header to stub out a discussion page. Cool. I will try to resist the temptation to over use them they are nice little gizmos.

(Not sure if they are gadgets or gizmos, will have to check on google or slang.en.wiktionary.net.)-Geof

Are you planning to expand the many one-page books you have created using imported material? Yes. I assume it is still OK to keep many books one page, such as http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Radioactive_Waste_Management/Spent_Nuclear_Fuel#Dry_Storage

t...otherwise, please see [|The Gameplan] on my user page-Geof Have you seen our help guide Using Wikibooks for developing a table of contents for linking to "subpages"? Well I did use that set up for my first book, California Public Policy and Citizen Participation which is of course not "completed". But I thought that for some books, one page with anchor-links works better and prints out more easily? I will review the advice on structure. Please bear with me in that it seems once one commits to a TOC-subpage format, one is stuck with that format. I would rather develope content for a while, first, and see if I do attract hordes of gifted collaborators, before getting too wrapped up in TOC/subpaging any particular book. -Geof Geofferybard (discuss • contribs) 23:51, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Thenub:Thank you for the rights upgrade.
And I thank you, with thoughts of the old adage, be careful what you pray for, as you may indeed obtain it, rueing the day you wook on such larger bite than thou canst indeed chew...when I emerge weeks later with bags under my eyes, we will know that at this time I am Only Joking, of course. Now I have to deliver the goods but I will be thrilled to do a full baseline write up. I had hoped that I could do simple one-pagers on some less compelling topics but maybe that is discouraged????? I feel like I am about to climb Mount Rainier.Geofferybard (discuss • contribs) 21:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi!
I have an account here. Just haven't done anything at Wikibooks and I'm not really familiar with how it works. I'll have to take some time to look around. Feel free to give me any useful advice, information etc. Regards, Mattisse (discuss • contribs) 12:22, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to Jomegat
Thank you Jim for your attention to my requests which I think were better stated as import oriented. I notice you are from New Hampshire, where I did some climbing at Fraconia Notch and Tuckerman's Ravine. I sauntered up Mt Washington on the first day of spring, up the winter route, and after climbing in the Tetons and Candadian Rockies expected something quite apart from what I encountered. Maybe some day we will see some rockclimbing mountaineering and iceclimbing guidebooks on Wikibooks which will be updated as seasonal conditions change. This could result in live-saving changes in the way guidebooks are developed.Geofferybard (discuss • contribs) 22:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I drove through the Notch today on the way home from a weekend in Maine. I'd love to see some material developed here on Rock Climbing, as then I could paste it into one of the chapters of the book I came here to work on - Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book - with proper attribution, of course! Be careful on Mt Washington - it has a well-deserved reputation for being a deadly place. --Jomegat (discuss • contribs) 00:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Franconia Notch - yes, I did a 5.8 climb there with a guy from the Dartmouth Mountaineering Club. I think part of the mountain broke off a few years later and the route I climbed no longer exists. I would like to see a wikibook on Clean Climbing Techniques. Maybe also guidebooks, perhaps in the Wikibooks Jr section. &#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs)

Linking
I've just spent a while cleaning up all the redirects you created with the multiple page moves. I noticed you are using full name links rather than relative links, which is making a lot of work for you. If you link to a subpage like this /subpage/ instead of subpage then you won't need to keep editing all the pages as you "rename" the main page. QU TalkQu 23:15, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, hmmmm, of course!
I should have tried that, as the new name, despite its' virtues, does seem a bit awkward. Now I can continue with substantive edits, thanks for the HeadsUp. Maybe /subpage rather than /subpage/ createes a cleaner page because it doesn't have the superflous "/" displayed at the top of the page. {?)...anyway I was fixing some of the redirects guess you got to them before I did, sorry about that. I try to do my own clean up work whenever possible. &#91;&#91;User:Geofferybard&#124;Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 23:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * /subpage/ hides the superfluous "/" at the end giving a clean link, if you miss the "/" off the end then you'll see the one at the beginning! QU TalkQu 19:15, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

== *Deutsch: Tippfehler *English: common misspellings ~ common misspellings in En ==


 * Deutsch: Tippfehler
 * English: common misspellings ~ common misspellings in English ~ frequently misused English words ~ commonly confused homonyms
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Book move
Do you need assistance moving the content of Fukushima Aftermath: Diablo Nuclear Redux? to Fukushima Aftermath? – Adrignola discuss 12:10, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No actually the thought was that there would be a second book in the series focused on SONGS (San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station) which is also on the California coast and shares much of the same regulatory climate. Fukushima Aftermath is envisioned as a sort of general introduction to the series itself. But I was wondering and have been asking for feedback on whether the Diablo book should be a name without the colon and question mark, and if the word Renaissance works better.

Perhaps: Fukushima Aftermath: Diablo Nuclear Renaissance or Industry Meltdown? The question is whether the subpages would work, etc.&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 23:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Subpages will work. We just don't like people using a colon to indicate a subpage rather than the / delimiter that the software actually recognizes.  An administrator can move a book at once if you request it. Not really sure which name would be better myself. – Adrignola discuss 13:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No hurry will ask around...&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 02:27, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

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 * I removed the site from the blacklist. Looks like it's overall not so bad, it was just abused. – Adrignola discuss 02:26, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * THANK YOU.

Is it realistic to share one page for two books or does that mess up printing? In my pending at FA:DNR? at the bottom of the page I have "Future pages" section with Passive nuclear safety which actually redirects to the other book, "Fukushima Aftermath". I think that is not encouraged right?

Otherwise, it is a complete book by now. Not yet GB that is the next step. Please advise.&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 02:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Google problem
Google of "fiddle+wikibooks brings up User:Fiddle in several slots . It seems that use names that coincide with topics will do this. Is there someway to fix this so that the search engines can distinguish mainspace accordingly?
 * The only way to fix it would be to exclude user pages from search engines entirely. That's something that can be done, but would likely deserve greater input from the community before implementation. – Adrignola discuss 00:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps going forward, anyway, we should have a policy to disallow user names which search engines would confuse with topics or book names. It only seems like common sense. Someone could take a user name like "Nuclear energy" and pull search engine hits onto completely unrelated topics. Also, if search engine designers see their ouputs returning what they will regard as garbage, they themselves might downgrade WikiBooks altogether, favoring sites, perhaps non-collaborative sites, which don't have that issue. I noticed a huge shift in google policy which at one time returned WMF hits top and then suddenly down beneath dozens of "professional" sites. It seems that if we let this issue languish on the vine, it will hurt the long term viability of the site as increasingly sophisticated search engineering will perhaps not be nimble enough to sort User space and will simply downgrade WMF and all collaborative sites except those which specialize in topic areas. &#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 00:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this should be brought up for discussion. I know I would support hiding all user pages from search engines, unless a good reason for not doing so is presented. --dark lama  12:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I can see your point. But in the case under discussion, the username (User:Fiddle) is (1) a topic (musical instrument/subgenre) and also (2) not a typical name for persons, nor even a typical cy bername. A general exclusion from search engines would probably have some drawbacks as well as advantages and would require a broad discussion, agreed. &#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 21:12, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant to discuss the general or overall problem as you see it and possible solutions mentioned in this discussion rather than the more specific case of Fiddle that this discussion is about. Whether usernames turning up in search results for topics is even considered a problem in need of a solution is something the community should decide on. I think the solutions suggested so far are probably ones that no Administrator should be doing on their own without community consensus as they might be considered high impact. To get back a bit on the initial question asked, you could use "fiddle wikibooks -intitle:User:" in Google to exclude any usernames from the results. --<font color="midnightblue">dark lama  16:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Fiddle
The user has not had a talk page edit since 2005. If it is an inactive user, they will not be able to respond to a request to change their name and that username will clog the search engines for perpetuity. Is there no remedy? The top four hits on WIkibooks and Fiddle include to "User" Hits as archive here.&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 01:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * A quick remedy is to add __NOINDEX__ to the user page, as I have done to User:Fiddle. This will tell Google and other search engines not to index the page in their results.  You should see a change in the search results in about a week or so. – Adrignola discuss 14:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Per usual, a knowledgable and equitable solution. Thanks very much for excellent administrative backup which makes Wikibooks such a pleasure to work with. BTW search technology has evolved so rapidly it seems that the effect is already working. &#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 20:13, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I support the idea of a discussion because usually when people google topics they are not looking for internal wiki discussions but the output of the project. &#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 23:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Mothers for Peace
It is great to see some new editorial initiative on the book however it needs to be up to standard. Wikimedia Foundation projects generally have differing policies but across the board favor independent secondary source material and discourage essay-style writing, opinion, and self-promotional material.

Of course your recent edits were in good faith, so there have been some hopefully helpful templates so that hopefully folks will get the idea. Hopefully you will find that the search for references will lead you to some very useful insights.

(For instance, I discovered in the course of researching the book that there is actually more information about some aspects of Diablo on a website in Australia maintained by the Australian government, inoformation which would otherwise not be available on the web, anywhere. I was really quite shocked, and I'd bet Jane Swanson would love to know that little tid bit - it fits rather nicely into her whole pitch. Buuut....it is up to her whether or not she participates in WikiAnythingWhatsoever.

To be frank, if there are some botched up public advocacy failures with repercussions for the next 80,000 years of spent fuel storage, it won't be due to any slacker attitudes on my part. The Wikimedia community and I built this book and it is up to the community to either keep the ball rolling or let it die on the vine. I am moving on to other projects, i.e., creating a series of music books and Wikiversity classes.

However, if you need any help, anything at all, don't hesitate to post here, on the discussion page at the articles/book pages, send me email and I will do anything humanly possible to assist in keeping the book up to date and viable. You can also pose questions to the administrators and you will find that Adrignola and QuiteUnusual are very generous with their time and willing to spend it in order to bring WikiBooks up to a higher level. They are a tremendous asset and they are available to help you at any time, for the asking. Just post a question on their talk pages and they will help.

It would not surprise me at all if policymaker staff persons view this book when they research DCPP. I saw Das Williams tonight at dinner and talked to him about DCPP and I have also talked to his staffperson Hilary. They are letting Sam Blakeslee take the lead but I am trying to get him to keep an eye on the issue. But it is up to the folks in the community to decide to use the book, or let it "decay". The book may live, the book may "decay". But the spent fuel will continue, whether we apply our intellect and our will, or if we slack off. The fuel is still there...&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 02:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

= Needs fixin' ==

Blackberry Blossum is both Bluegrass and Old Time but I am working on tunebook companion guides for both genres. For ease of printing they probably both need to have separate pages but I could not create a unique page for Fiddler's Companion because of the ol' WP blacklist issue. Perhaps you can fix that? Fiddlers Companion Volume III Bluegrass/Blackberry Blossom (tune) is the text which I wish to replicate. Many complex references which took a couple few hours or so to compile into the article. It would be nice to keep the references and have individual pages for each book, if you get time perhaps you can take a look?&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 01:59, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm really not sure what you're asking here. You can use to transclude a page onto another if a page needs to be a member of two books. – Adrignola discuss 03:25, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * OK I will try that. But I am not sure that when I get to creating printable versions if the issue will reassert itself. But I don't think that people necessarily want to print a lot of references for that particular book. I was asking for the blacklist to not block saving the edits. It seems that the blacklist is overly inclusive. It might be blogspot which is causing the problem. But edits will not save, I get an error message that says it is necessary to remove the blacklisted reference.&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 23:30, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Detail: The error message
Spam protection filter

Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikibooks' blacklist.

To save your changes now, you must go back and remove the blocked link (shown below), and then save.

If you feel the link is needed, you can:

Request that the entire website be allowed, that is, removed from the local or global spam blacklists (check both lists to see which one is affecting you).

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Detail: How the error message is generated
MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. – Adrignola discuss 14:09, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

What I wish to accomplish
I would like to be able to create a printable HTML version of this book: which includes the references. But the page in question resists re-creation at this book. The tune is used in both genres, and since I wrote the entire article there is no need to worry about edit histories. So what I would like would be for the blacklist to be eased up a bit, if possible. Alternatively, maybe there is a way to overide the block. If worse comes to worse, maybe there can be some kind of macro or bot that will isolate the blacklisted link, which is somewhat of a mystery.
 * It's reference #14. Blogspot is not a reference for facts and using it as a source is as bad as using Wikipedia as a citation in one's doctorate thesis. If you really can't live without it, it can be overridden at MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist, but I strongly suggest you consider the reliability of your sources. – Adrignola discuss 14:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That's good advice but in some cases the blogger is reputable and known to the musician community; in others it is to corroborate rather than to establish something anecdotal> But I will check things over. In many instances if writing about fiddle music I may want to write something I know to be true and need to corroborate, and there are no academic papers on it, so a blogger fits. This is not true however on books about, say, nuclear energy policy!&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 02:40, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Summary and status report
I am going offline until at least tommorow. I started the Print Version here and got through the first couple of songs, Angeline the Baker and Arkansas Traverler. When I got to Blackberry Blossom, I got stuck...if you try to paste the copy from the main book into the printable version, everything is fine until you put in the references tag in curly brackets, and then you are blocked from saving. Some readers will definitely prefer having the footnotes, so maybe this can be remedied without too much trouble. If not, I can work around it. Thanks for your time and attention, I am quite pleased with this little book and look forward to upgrading it. OFFLINE 5:05 PM&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 23:38, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't be copying and pasting into a print version. It won't be kept up to date with changes on the original pages themselves.  You need to use the method I showed for transcluding a page onto another.  This will also save you loads of time and you won't have to manually update the print version.  Harness the power of the wiki.  You can then use <noinclude ></noinclude> tags around the references section on the page to keep them from showing up in the print version, if desired.  Please see Help:Print versions and the modifications I made to your print version page. – Adrignola discuss 14:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Aha...! Good idea : )&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 02:41, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that there is a limit to the number of transclusions. It may be only possible to provide a by chapter/section print version. I also remember seeing a template/hack that permits to have all references in a print version aggregated into a single page, I think this is the page Annotations of The Complete Peanuts/References (don't know if it works). --Panic (discuss • contribs) 14:13, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the suggestion, but probably it's not a matter of the quantity of references, it seems the problem is that there are certain domains listed on the WikiBooks server which are blocked because they are suspected of obtrusive commercial activity (spamm). However, the page in question is not blocked at either Wikipedia nor at Wikiversity, where I tested, and so it is probable that WB has more sites blacklisted than WP or WV.But thanks for the suggestion.


 * RE: references I thought that a curly bracket references tag at the end of the print version is all that would be needed. Perhaps if the book is kept short enough the threshold "transclusions" limit won't be reached? Actually I was thinking of a references-free "Economy Print" version which had a Bibliography at the end, anyway, because what with global warming [?] and all, I think we are supposed to be thrifty with paper. But it is important in the long run that WB books be able to go to print fully references. Cheers. w:Wikipedia:NODEADLINE&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 17:09, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Well for changes to the list you should continue to talk with Adrignola (he made some changes recently MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist or you can make a post on the administrative requests/discussion area), you can probably circumvent the block by using for instance the Wayback Machine http://www.archive.org (my favorite even if the resource is up and usable) or some working redirector (use only if you must).
 * Transclusions limit doesn't have to do with size but number of pages transcluded. I never use the reference stile on Wikibooks, I chose to add the a wikilink to wikipedia's relevant article or a direct (or using the Wayback Machine) to the relevant resource. My feeling is that it is easier to maintain, better for readers and more format portable (it would be marvelous if Wikimedia could support some sort of page formating scheme, even a special markup for the generation of collections PDFs would be great). --Panic (discuss • contribs) 17:36, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * O K thanks. &#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 03:01, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

= Origami techniques importation =

Hello,

I need this page to be imported for this book. Can you do that for me please? Ftiercel (discuss • contribs) 06:14, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have submitted my request here. Ftiercel (discuss • contribs) 18:18, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I've done this - in future please put requests on WB:RFI as then any admin or importer can do it for you. Thanks <font color="#E66C2C">QU <font color="#306754">TalkQu 18:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was on vacation all of August. &#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 00:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No matter. Ftiercel (discuss • contribs) 04:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * O K &#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 03:01, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Epidemic
You do know you've Transwiki'd the Epidemic article once already don't you? It is Teach Cough Hygiene Everywhere/Epidemic <- here. <font color="#E66C2C">QU <font color="#306754">TalkQu 23:14, 3 April 2012 (UTC) Ooops. Working too hard.&#91;&#91;User:Geof Bard गीता&#93;&#93; (discuss • contribs) 23:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)