User talk:Elo 1219

Welcome to Wikibooks, Elo 1219!

Welcome to Wikibooks. Thank you for doing such a good job with Chemical Principles. I hope it helps lots of people understand chemistry better than they would otherwise. And I hope you enjoy reading and editing this and other Wikibooks. --DavidCary (talk) 05:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your words of encouragement. This is truly a large and daunting project, so it is nice to know others are starting to appreciate my work. Elo 1219 (talk) 00:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Elo_1219

Licensing issues
Hi Elo 1219. I noticed that you've uploaded a number of files that are tagged as CC-BY-3. The source cited, however, has this note "You are granted permission for individual, educational, research and non-commercial reproduction, distribution, display and performance of this work in any format." I couldn't find any mention of a CC license. Could you clarify this further?

PS, the source page, furthermore, recommends that users refer to it by this persistant URI. --Swift (talk) 07:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Swift,


 * I was told to use this license for this project. But if you have a better clarification for which license I should use, I would appreciate it. My boss has received written permission from the authors to post the book in wikibook as well. Thanks for letting me know.
 * Elo 1219 (talk) 16:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)elo_1219


 * Who told you to use that license? The sticky bit is the "non-commercial reproduction" bit as it restricts the three freedoms required by our media policy. We can't accept media for which the permission is restricted to Wikibooks. Others need to be allowed to copy and continue our work.
 * If the authors are fine with releasing their work under a free license, you should consider uploading them to (which you should always consider anyway). Images on Wikimedia Commons can be used across all projects and if you can ask the copyright holder(s) to email commons:Commons:OTRS, you won't have to link to a license.
 * See also Help:Uploading Images for general info and tell me if it is unclear. --Swift (talk) 00:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, so I tried the uploading in commons originally, but the people were giving me too many problems with the licensing. So if I use the Creative Commons 3.0 license, it states:
 * "This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License. In short: you are free to share and make derivatives of this work under the conditions that you appropriately attribute it. Any of the above conditions can be waived if you get permission from the copyright holder."
 * Can you elaborate a little more on why this would not work?
 * Elo 1219 (talk) 20:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)elo_1219


 * Yes. The only one permitted to choose under which license a work is released, is the author. If the author multi-licenses a work, you can choose which one to use. The license you tried to upload it under on Commons isn't compatible with the note on the website.
 * If you wish to use a work that has only been released under a non-commercial license, it ineligible for use on Wikibooks, unless it qualifies under fair use. I don't see that being an option.
 * If you really want this work, your best bet is to convince the authors to release the works under a free enough a license. --Swift (talk) 21:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay so the letter from the author that we have gives us permission to post these works on wikibook. Which license would I use? Oh FYI, I am an admin assistant and my boss is a professor in Chemistry at the Univ of Utah. He has requested and received the leeter from the author. Elo 1219 (talk) 21:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)elo_1219


 * I'm afraid we cannot accept content that restricts its use to Wikibooks. With the exception of fair use, all content must allow anyone to create derivative works. I'm sorry this is proving to be such a hassle, but your best bet is to take it to Commons. You should only have to upload content to Wikibooks if it is fair-use non-free work. This would, furthermore, prove a great resource to the other Wikimedia projects and anyone looking for free content.
 * The people at Commons really know their stuff and wouldn't be giving you problems without good cause. I recommend that you contact the authors again and see if they are willing to release these files under a license acceptable to Commons. You could then upload the images and the authors would send the OTRS an email confirming their copyright. How does this sound?
 * If none of this is an option, check whether of the images may qualify under fair use here at Wikibooks. Diagrams won't (as they can be described in words) but the tables are trickier. You could create tables (preferably in markup, not a picture) and cite the book as your source (just as you would with any quotation). There might already be diagrams on Commons that you can use for your book. If not, you can always create your own (preferably in Scalable Vector Graphics format) or give a student a small grant to do so. --Swift (talk) 04:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Swift, thanks so much for your assistance. I am working with Caltech on getting the free licensing. Would it still be okay to work on this project while trying to get the license issues resolved? Elo 1219 (talk) 15:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)elo_1219


 * Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. If you feel confident that these images will be licensed under the stated license in the near future, then I think we should be able to accomodate. They would, however, belong much rather on Commons.
 * If this is, however, a matter of more than a few weeks, I'd suggest you hold off uploading images. You can upload scetches as placeholders and update these once the license has been sorted out. Again, this can also be done on Commons. --Swift (talk) 01:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: https://authors.library.caltech.edu/25050/ is the new location of the original (Caltech book site got reorganized). DMacks (discuss • contribs) 08:01, 11 June 2018 (UTC)