User talk:Discordance~enwikibooks

Bartending
I was being a little facetious when I asked what a measure was. The issue here is that a good number of cocktails don't have fixed ratios; for instance, a martini can go from the 2:1 reccommended by Noilly Prat to a more standard 4:1 "extra dry," and the modern practice is coming closer and closer to the "science" of homeopathy. On the other side of the spectrum, drinks like margaritas and mojitos, which are made with roughly equal frequency by the glass or by the pitcher, need different ratios depending on the volume being prepared. These factors lead me to think that the base spirit templates shouldn't attempt to have anything to do with measurements. Further, it's not 100% clear to me what one gains from indexing by base spirit at all; most bourbon drinks have a rum equivalent, for instance, and vodka gets substituted reguarly for just about anything behind the bar (admittedly, with occasionally disastrous effects.) As for internationalization of measurements, all bartenders need to be equally familiar with jiggers, ounces, centiliters, and whatever other measurements they're likely to see in recipes, so it doesn't make sense to try to edit this out of the book. It seems that it would make more sense to link the measurements to a section on measures which would include precise as well as measure-of-thumb conversions. -- Dan131m


 * If you're going to use templates for the ingredients I'd prefer they don't leave "droppings" on the page, except perhaps a link to a page with information about the liquor. So, for instance, you could put something like "If cherry heering is unavailable, substitute ", which would add to the "Drinks with kirsch" category and insert a link to the kirsch page, sans any sort of "one measure" nonsense.  On an unrelated topic, I'm still not convinced that standardizing the units in the book accomplishes anything, other than creating a gap in bartenders' knowledge and annoying contributors who have to look up the canonical measurement units. -- Dan131m

Thank you for your comment on my talk page. Apologies for the delay in replying.

I have (I hope temporarily) restored all the bartending pages (see here for a complete list of pages in the book. In each case the content of the pages beginning Bartending/Cocktails has already been merged into another article linked from Bartending/Cocktails, which is why I believe the old links to be unnecessary. This merging preserved the then-current structure of listing cocktails by their main ingredients.

Now there are, of course, other ways to arrange cocktails - alphabetically, or by style, for example. I do think, for the sake of having a coherent book, that we should select which method to use, and stick to it.

Incidentally, I think general feedback is that small subpages, such as the book originally had, particularly when they are of greatly varying quality, are not welcomed by readers - and it does not make for a coherent book. It makes reading the book, and maintaining it, harder too. Some form of aggregation is important. Once the form of aggregation has been chosen, I'm happy to help with the change, Jguk 08:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I've almost finished transwikiing a bunch of cocktails articles to here. I'm then going to move them all to the proper bartending/cocktails/ area from where they are now, at Transwiki: When I do so, do you want me to put the barwork tag on them all? --Xyzzyplugh 23:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I've transwikied them all, 90 or so. I moved most of them to the Bartending/Cocktails/ area, and added the barwork tag to them all.  Except for about the following, which had previously existing articles here.  These will all need to be merged, or will need to replace the previously existing articles if they are better, perhaps.  I'm not sure what the procedure is on this, how do I go about doing this properly while still maintaining the history and all?  Here is the list:

And http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Bartending/Cocktails/Prarie_Fire I realized there is another article here with the spelling Prairie Fire. I am sending this same message to Jguk, you're the two who I know are paying attention to this area of wikibooks. --Xyzzyplugh 15:48, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * ‎Transwiki:Black Velvet
 * ‎Transwiki:Brandtea
 * ‎Transwiki:Brandy Alexander
 * ‎Transwiki:Cosmopolitan
 * ‎Transwiki:French 75
 * ‎Transwiki:Golden Cadillac
 * ‎Transwiki:Margarita
 * ‎Transwiki:Mojito
 * ‎Transwiki:Prairie Oyster this is not strictly speaking an alcoholic beverage, not sure what to do with it
 * ‎Transwiki:Rob Roy
 * ‎Transwiki:Sidecar
 * ‎Transwiki:Slippery Nipple
 * ‎Transwiki:Sloe Gin Fizz

Bartending
Absolutely. The glossary is meant to be just that - the basics. It seems perfectly sensible to me to create pages to add more detail for the more interesting cocktails (though if you're willing, helping to create a good glossary of cocktails first would be nice).

Incidentally, I'm concerned about the name of the first cocktail listed in the glossary because of its offensive username. I'm wondering whether it would be better to censor it out, or at least abbreviate it to AMF. Your thoughts would be welcome, Jguk 06:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Policy review
Policy is not the most exciting subject at Wikibooks but we do have some major unresolved issues.

The most important issue, in my opinion, is Dispute resolution which starts by declaring that:

"Currently there is no official organized process to resolve disputes between users"

The suggested remedy for this is: Ad hoc administration committee which puts into place the absolute minimum in terms of an enforcement apparatus.

The second most important is No personal attacks where a vote has recommended the policy be enforced but it still languishes as "proposed".

The third policy that is needed and which will prevent edit disputes from getting out of hand is Editing disputes policy.

Other policies that need consideration are at: Policies and guidelines.

Please spare a minute or two to peruse these issues and add a comment and/or a vote. RobinH 12:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back
Good to see you back (I was worried I'd frightened you off by mistake). Now I have tidied up the glossary, hopefully it's clearer what I was getting at. Hopefully it can stay where we have very limited info on a cocktail (eg just the ingredients or just the ingredients and the most basic of mixing instructions). As noted before, where we already have more to say about a particular drink than is suitable in the cocktail, separate pages (either by cocktail or type of cocktail) will still be appropriate.

I'd very much like to see the Bartending page look complete (from a visual perspective). If it looks good, it should help draw in future contributors. It would also then be suitable for nomination as "Book of the Month". By looking complete from a visual perspective, I do not, of course, mean that it cannot be expanded - it most certainly can - but hopefully the development can be in a more controlled manner rather than the "let's dump this from wikipedia" approach that some people have had in the past.

All the best for continuing to improve the book, Jguk 07:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

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