User talk:Caone

Come introduce yourself at the new users page. If you have any questions, you can ask there or contact me personally.

as a more personal note, I would like to say that I am very curious about where your new Wikibook, Writing: A Guide To Urban Calligraphy is going to be going. Please note especially our policy about always maintaining a neutral point of view. I know that is difficult to do sometimes, but please be respectful with others that you will be having contact with on these projects. From my experience, you are pouring gasoline onto Wikibooks with a page like this, but I'm going to try to give you some breathing room to get this idea of yours up and going.

Note that I also marked the image you uploaded as a copyright violation. I'm not trying to stop you from uploading content like this, but we do need to know exactly where you got this photo, even if you claim that you shot the photo with your own camera. If that is the case, you can remove the copyright violation markup and simply add a note that you took the picture yourself.

On the whole, this is a very interesting concept for Wikibooks, and I hope that you add more content here. I really am interested in what you are planning to do here. --Rob Horning 16:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

(moving content from my talk page to here to continue the thread.... --Rob Horning)

Hey Rob;

Finally,a site that isn't ran by an admin that just does nothing but delete things! Now, on my talk board, you said, at one point or another, something like this would be like pouring gasoline on Wikibooks. My page(s) are not intended to promote vandalism or graffiti. Although you dais I should keep a neutral point of view, take a look at graffiti this way: What if, instead of on a wall, the artist did it on a large canvas and sold it to millions of people? What if graffiti were an art form? Well, to most artists, it is an art form. My two purposes for writing the book is to promote the art form and discourage vandalism.

However, if you still feel the book is suggestive in anyway, tell me and delete it.

Thanks for your concern, C.A.ONE


 * I'm just trying to point out that there are some people here who do try to delete things at the drop of a hat, and I've been quite annoyed with it. Heck, it even happened to me where somebody who thought the content I added was inappropriate to Wikibooks... and I was an adminstrator at that time too!  Writing books in particular can be very demanding, and it simply takes time to come up with an approach to how you are going to deal with a subject.  Sometimes there are fits and starts in the process, and you can't simply judge what you see in the first couple of days.  For this reason in particular, I pushed through a policy to give new authors who otherwise are giving a good faith effort to produce a new book at least a month to prove themselves... even if parts of what they are doing may seem like violating basic policies like NPOV or even copyright violations.... seriously.


 * There is far too much of a backlog of older content anyway that needs to be culled for an admin to worry about the new stuff that is being added. Indeed, we have a very delete happy admin that was just appointed who is removing stuff all over the place, and the deletion logs show it.  The nice thing is that Wikibooks really needs somebody like that and he is for the most part removing the really bad stuff and not messing much with content under current development.


 * As far as having something about graffiti, I looked at it and simply said "WOW! that is a cool idea!". I even love the title... "Urban Calligraphy"... what an idea.


 * My only concern is the appearance of suggesting illegal activity. Jimbo himself has come down on previous attempts to add content of that nature, like a manual of crime and A guide to cheating during tests and examinations, (he tried to kill this book by deleting all links to this content leaving it as an orphaned book).  Explicit advocacy of criminal behavior is usually disclaimed in most cases like this, but there is a fine line that can easily be crossed.


 * I know that in some cases graffiti is even encouraged under a certain context and with permission of the building owners. On the other hand, there is a problem where some symbols are associated with certain "gangs" of organized criminals, largly to mark out turf in a manner like dogs and cats mark their territory with urine.  I think the ananogy fits in this situation too on multiple levels, even though I know this is an explicit POV.


 * Contrasting that with genuine artwork that can be done with common graffiti tools makes this into more of an artform that is worthy of exploration. I'm hoping that you emphasis this, and document techniques that use spray paint effectively, along with things to watch out for and avoid, just like any art media would require.


 * My main worry, BTW, was that this was going to be a gateway by hard-core wikivandals as a forum to coordinate their attacks, or do other BS. If this is a legitimate book concept... please continue and have fun! --Rob Horning 02:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)