Talk:Suicide/Suffocation/Helium

Oxygen in Helium bottle
Is there a simple way to check by total absence of burn under a flame?

The "Directions for Completing Suicide" were last edited on May 7, 2017. My daughter used said directions 3 days later to take her life. She was a beautiful, healthy, vibrant young woman - very loved and very needed. Now missed beyond any comprehension. She struggled with depression and needed help and encouragement, not step-by-step instructions for ending her life. If such options were not so readily available to her, she would still be here, maybe happier today. May you burn in hell for the suffering you have caused.


 * I very sorry for your loss but that logic is flawed. I guess that it may serve as an escape for a survivor but consider the mayhem and the surfing that this type of information can avoid not only to the self, those around but society in general. Information is not even a physical tool like a gun, medicine or poison in any case you are welcome to expand on any section about prevention, effects on survivors and seeking help that already exits. Panic (discuss • contribs) 05:58, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Pointless comment
I think the comment "WARNING - Balloon Time has changed their Helium/Air mix to 80/20. These tanks are ineffective. Do not use!" is pointless and should be removed. I don't think a book should advertise suicide and it a person wants to do it is up to him to find how to do it.


 * The book does not advertise, it only attempts to provide accurate information. In the case you point out lack of that information could, for example, result in brain-damage. This book is not aimed at anyone wanting to commit suicide as clearly stated but it also respects the right of individual self determination. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 21:28, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

You may want to revise this or delete it entirely. You say you are using this to inform people about it in case someone around them tries it or something similar, but you write it in a step-by-step way that almost makes it look like a guide on how to commit suicide. I would highly recommend changing this, as there are millions, maybe billions of people who have access to this kind of thing, and quite a few are severely depressed and want to end their own lives. For other people's sake, just make it harder to find out how to commit suicide and take this down. Hkjsadh (discuss • contribs) 18:36, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That's unlikely. This is a book which has survived 2 deletion requests (see Talk:Suicide), so you are probably not the only one. However, I must concur with what Panic2k4 says; this is not a book intended to advertise or promote suicide. Rather, this is an educative book detailing about it. While I understand your feelings on the problems on this topic, Wikibooks has no rule that such topics must be censored. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 18:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

How to adjust the hose to the tank - Unclear
I think the instructions on how to adjust the hose to the tank could be improved. E.g. step one:

''1.Take off the plastic nozzle of the tank. (Use any type of pliers for this. You can also do it carefully with a carpet knife if you have trouble finding out what type of plier to use).''

If a carpet knife is recommended, should the nylon part of the nozzle stay on the tank and the hose be attached to that?

Also, in the next chapter it says:

If you buy directly from a helium supplier, you should buy a regulator from them as well in order to control the gas flow.

So, what if I don't buy from a supplier? Can you go without a regulator? And if yes, how do you make sure that the flow rate is large enough but not so large that the tank is empty before it should be?

would pure nitrogen be as effective as helium?
since commercially available helium for consumers would likely be adulterated with oxygen, Nitrogen for brewing or welding should be a reasonable and readily available substitute. would it be as effective? Randomwalk222 (discuss • contribs) 15:26, 27 December 2018 (UTC)


 * My understanding is that helium is harder to control (lighter) and find in the required purity. I think it may also be rarer and so more expensive. Nitrogen has also more safety/scientific tests done in animals and is even being considered for death sentences executions as a "more humane" form of "termination" than the alternatives. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 13:41, 30 December 2018 (UTC)