Talk:Rosacea/Resources

This page can easily become a coatrack for promotion, with editors showing up who have only that purpose. A common result is that the whole page gets deleted, as the community loses patience with it. That's a shame. Because any on-line book worth its salt would link to resources useful to those studying or learning about a topic. In particular, patients with some disorder or condition can often find invaluable help from, say, organizations devoted to the topic, or discussion groups. Some of these might be commercial in character, that is not one of the crucial criteria that a book publisher would consider. Rather, a responsible publisher will consider usefulness to patients. A publisher might list controversial treatments and places to find out more about them, but would also warn readers about the controversy.

Wikibooks, which means us, should act as a responsible publisher, and resist efforts to, on the one hand, censor information because it is "commercial" or "fringe," but, on the other hand, to hide the commercial character of a web site, say, or the lack of general acceptance of a treatment modality or practitioner. Looking at history here, I see a single-purpose account that revert warred to keep information about a controversial practitioner out. Supposedly this was libelous. Properly presented, it would not be. And that's our task. I'll be watching here to help with the process. I have no attachment to any position on treatment, I'm purely interested as an editor and reader. I know a person with Rosacea, that's about the extent of my involvement.

To all who edit this book: please do not revert war, i.e., do not repeatedly remove or restore information. It can lead to warnings and blocks if the warnings are ignored. Instead, discuss the issue on this page, seek consensus with other editors, and refer controversies that cannot be resolved here to the Wikibooks community. Failure to properly take care of this page could easily result in its total removal, see permanent link to deletion discussion (current as of this comment) --Abd (talk) 00:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I have removed the following sections from the article, as they appear to be promotional as listed, as if they were advertisements, for for other reasons. I ask that they not be restored to the article without consensus, and especially they should not be unilaterally restored by anyone connected with the organization or web site involved. This is not intended as some strict exclusion of these sites, and I may easily err in my judgment, but please discuss, and if facts about the site or material are involved, please provide references. Thanks. --Abd (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Please also note: a few possibly questionable web sites were left in. Just a matter of the time needed to look at everything. --Abd (talk) 05:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Australian Sciences
Australian Sciences is a research company dedicated to the understanding of the mechanisms involved in rosacea and in the development of safe and long term treatments. The site contains a free booklet that gives readers a practical understanding of how heat regulation is involved in rosacea and facial flushing.
 * http://www.ausci.com/rosacea.htm

Comments on Australian Sciences
The booklet looks pretty good. It would help to know more about this company and their position in the Rosacea world. This was the least problematic of all the links I removed today. Perhaps the booklet should be linked directly. --Abd (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

New Rosacea Treatment by Dr. Nase: Rosadyn
Dr. Geoffrey Nase, Dr. Patrick Bitter, Sr. and Vascular Health Specialists LLC developed the first oral Nutraceutical for the treatment of rosacea called Rosadyn. Rosadyn addresses the three main changes encountered in rosacea - vascular changes, skin changes and neural changes. Recent studies on the safety and efficacy of Rosadyn show a 91% response rate with regards to facial flushing, redness and inflammation.
 * http://www.rosadyn.com
 * http://www.drnase.com

Comments on New Rosacea Treatment by Dr. Nase: Rosadyn
This reads like an ad, and there has been revert warring over this. There may also be undue weight given to this source throughout the book, it should be examined. I see that there is a great deal of controversy of this source; there should be consensus for this to be in the book, caution is required. --Abd (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Rosacea in the UK
Myrosacea.co.uk is a comprehensive rosacea information website, created in 2008, that has been set up specifically for people in the UK. The website aims to increase knowledge of rosacea by providing information about rosacea symptoms, trigger factors and available treatments, and how a doctor can help with diagnosis and treatment.
 * http://www.myrosacea.co.uk

Comments on Rosacea in the UK
Dead link tonight. --Abd (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Rosacea natural treatment site
The Rosacea site is a website dedicated to helping rosacea sufferers treat and help their symptoms naturally and safely without medication. There are also new breakthroughs in the treatment of rosacea. It is important that all rosacea sufferers be educated in the condition and understand how important it is to be able to manage their rosacea as safely as possible. As such this site is written by researchers in this field.
 * http://www.naturaltreatmentforyou.com/natural-treatment-for-rosacea/

Comments on Rosacea natural treatment site
This looks like a site dedicated to selling certain products.

Rosaceans, Rosacea 101, and the Rosacea Diet
The rosaceans yahoo group is the fourth largest online rosacea community. The sister site rosaceans.com is a clearinghouse of commercial information for rosacea. Brady Barrows the webmaster of the site is also the author of the books,"Rosacea 101: Includes the Rosacea Diet," and the Rosacea Diet, which are availiable to purchase from the sites.

*http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosaceans/
 * http://www.rosaceans.com
 * http://www.rosacea-101.com
 * http://www.rosacea-diet.com/html/diet.html
 * http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-diet-users-support-group/

Comment on Rosaceans, Rosacea 101, and the Rosacea Diet
Somewhat questionable as promotional. rosacians.com was a dead link. I left the yahoogroup in, created a yahoogroups section, and adding a larger yahoogroup, but deleted the information about "fourth-largest rosacea community" and the other book promotional material. rosacea-diet-users-support-group appears to be run by the same person as the other yahoogroup listed above, and is almost entirely announcements, and nothing recently. rosacea-101 and rosacea-diet.com were dead links. Presumably if there is a bibliography for this book, and if the book is valuable, it would be listed and perhaps reviewed there. --Abd (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Rosaceans.com is now up. However, this site is linked from the yahoogroup home page. By the way, my removal of a site from the page is not a denigration of the site; and that a site is commercial is not automatic grounds for exclusion. But it does mean that caution is required, and especially we should avoid what amount to multiple links to sites which are closely related and which link to each other, unless there are clear grounds for multiple listings (such as an implementation of some categorization system that would review the sites according to specific criteria). --Abd (talk) 18:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Rosaceans-101 is also up now. This, however, is really just about the book, it appears, and is (probably properly) linked from Rosacea/Books. Rosacea-diet.com now redirects to rosaceans.com. --Abd (talk) 18:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

International Rosacea Foundation
The International Rosacea Foundation (IRF) is a information website. The Better Business Bureau reliability report on Bass &amp; Boney listed the IRF website as part of Bass &amp; Boney (the makers of Rosacea-LTD III). There is also some confusion whether the IRF is really a non-profit organization.
 * http://internationalrosaceafoundation.org

Comment on International Rosacea Foundation
Some of the material I looked at seemed poorly written. There is no information about the organization there, which is odd. It looks like Brady Barrows (who is the person behind the Rosaceans yahoo group) may be on to something. But the reference is dead, it was on Barrow's Rosaceans.com web site. --Abd (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: the web site is now up. --Abd (talk) 17:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Patient's Guide to Rosacea
The Patient's Guide offers information about treatment of the symptoms of this common skin condition. The most common sign of rosacea is the formation of tiny blood vessels just under the surface of the skin causing facial redness and flushing. These blood vessels are best treated with laser or IPL as these treatments can effectively destroy the blood vessels.
 * http://www.rosaceatreatment.org

Comment on Patient's Guide to Rosacea
This appears to be an advertising vehicle. Please discuss here if you would like to restore this to the resources, but, please remember, more links are not necessarily better; emphasis should be on the links of highest quality and usefulness, and sites which largely present information that will also be found elsewhere, perhaps more completely, should be deprecated. --Abd (talk) 17:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Merger
I propose merging and  together and renaming the page Rosacea/Resources. I think there aren't enough links/resources to justify having books, websites, and organizations split across multiple pages at this time. --dark lama  17:29, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd thought of doing that myself. I support it. --Abd (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Adrignola apparently decided to merge the two pages as part of the finishing touches of closing the RFD. I went ahead and renamed the page as proposed since Adrignola hadn't. --dark lama  08:38, 10 October 2010 (UTC)