Talk:Quenya/Phonology

/R/ or /r/?
This page lists /R/ instead of /r/. Is this correct? I was under the impression Quenya r was /r/. --86.135.217.213 14:04, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It's normally pronunced [r], but before a vowel [R].--Elistir 21:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The IPA symbol [R] is used to indicate the voiced uvular trill, a sound used for r in spoken French. Tolkien found this sound to be distasteful, and noted the Elves did as well. In fact, he went so far as to say that the Orks used this sound in their various languages. It is most decidedly NOT used in Quenya.Corsair Caruso (discuss • contribs) 16:28, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

What about rv cluster in neo-quenya Yarvaxea from the LOTR movie? Is it a valid combination of consonants? 195.16.44.178 (talk) 07:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)Boris

Anyway, if someone didn't understand the stress patterns, here is a simple quenya stress validator, made in accordance with this article.

Adjusted the IPA. Several phonemes were posited which AFAIK do not occur. Can't be sure about the syllable breaks between C clusters, but C.C seems the best bet for now, even in cases such as x and qu where it's easier to divide them .CC in orthography. Ty is supposedly between a [k] and a [t] w a notable offglide. —Kwami (discuss • contribs) 05:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Change of vowel quality with length
Tolkien indicates that, as in German, the quality of vowels change with their length. The vowel chart here does not reflect this. Tolkien makes note on page 71 of The Road Goes Ever On (3rd edition) that the short vowels "may be rendered as in [English] sick, bed, hot, foot (for ŭ), though ŏ is intended to be rounder than in modern [English]." These vowels, respectively, would be rendered [ɪ], [ɛ], [ɔ], and [ʊ].Corsair Caruso (discuss • contribs) 16:28, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I've changed the vowel qualities, as per "The Road Goes Ever On" and Helge Fauskanger's "Quenya Course," which can be found at his website "Ardalambion." I'm happy to discuss the changes and further sources if anyone feels inclined to do so. Corsair Caruso (discuss • contribs) 16:41, 28 March 2015 (UTC)