Talk:Quenya

Syllabary
Is there are list of words that could be used as either a syllabary or a glossary (non-copyrighted... if that is possible)? That seems like a key feature that is missing from this textbook right now. --Rob Horning 16:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Rob, there's little complete evidence of corresponding canon quenya vocabulary. The most complete that I have heard is a document from the old/primitive quenya (spelt 'qenya', but pronounced the same).


 * I don't know about legal status on these documents:


 * http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/qlindex1.htm
 * http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/qlindex2.htm


 * But we could definitely link to them, and see what the author feels about making derivative works of them (reproducing them, in a revised presentation, on this site). —Auk 00:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikiversity course
There is now a Wikiversity course being developed for Quenya. See Quenya. Jade Knight 18:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Stress markings
Which syllable to stress is one of the harder things to get right when learning a language; it's more an innate 'feel' than calculating based upon known rules. I suggest we (in addition to providing the rules) emphasize the stressed syllables of words, especially when modifying with prefixes and suffixes and in the lower chapters. This would ease the student (it would help me a lot) into a more natural feel to the rhythm of the language.

Comments on the style in which to do this? (Bold, italics, underline, capitals?)

—Auk 21:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I think this will make these pages more complicated than needed.

It might however be useful on the paradigms page. I don't know how it would best be indicated as underlines are already use to indicate irregularities.

—User:Dirk_math 12 November 2006

A user of the Elfling mailing list has sent a link to this WikiBook. It generated so far criticism from one of the authors cited as the source of this WikiBook, Thorsten Renk. You can read it at Elfling message http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/33860

I do not agree with his vision that "in this situation, the Wikipedia concept is bound to fail", but it surely can be much improved. The Book, as it is, may mislead the reader into thinking that Quenya is a fully developed and completely usable language, when in fact Tolkien apparently never had such intentions. For example, the scope of this WikiBook could be shifted from a "how do I learn Quenya" type of book (there are two well-written ones already) to a "how did Tolkien develop his ideas on Quenya through the course of his lifetime." I can find Quenya courses in a snap on Google, but I can't say the same about comparative analysis of the various stages of the Quenya development.

If this shift doesn't happen, at least change the name of the WikiBook to "Neo-Quenya," which is more accurate.

-User:Jaroszewski 23 February 2007

Book name change
Should this book maybe rather be called Neo-Quenya since it's on that topic, rather than Quenya. --Swift (talk) 01:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes_check.svg Done. – Adrignola discuss 21:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Disclaimer stating this book is on Neo-Quenya was added back onto the main page of the book. Thus it seems contrary to not have the book named Neo-Quenya. – Adrignola discuss 00:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The disclaimer doesn't mean that in any way. It is simply a reminder that it is about a version of the language as it is now used and not as Tolkien has left it in 1973. I rewrote it to make that clearer.
 * And would it have been so difficult to ask about the change before rushing in? Someone now renamed the main page back to Quenya, but this is even worse as the book is now inconsistent as all the other pages and the category are still called Neo-Quenya. Dirk math (discuss • contribs) 17:46, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I have found this book useful - up to a point. It presents some information that is not included in other prominent books on Quenya including the page on "special verbs", however it is generally lacking in citations to Tolkein's work and any discussion of controversy or period-relevance of words (are they 'Qenya'? are they 'LotR era Quenya'? or late Quenya developments?  At least a footnote would be good, for canon words a citation back to the Tolkein work where they appear and for inferred words an explanation of the rationale behind the inference.  Certainly the addition of references would give it better academic credence and separate it from the dross "elvish" courses that take whatever they can from Quenya, Sindarin, Telerin etc. Ecthelion 22:45, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Pages in limbo
There are a whole bunch of pages under the name Special:PrefixIndex/Neo-Quenya, which somehow or other ended up over there while the book is over here. I'm not sure what's going on with them, but it's a mess that needs to be cleaned up. There's even a |book category for the other name, even though there's no book there. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 02:15, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I've moved all the pages to be under the current book main page. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 03:33, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Deleted redirects, except left main page redirect for now. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 17:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Tengwar fonts
The tengwar font page seems not to be accessible anymore. Does anybody know another source for this encoding? Or, one could consider to switch to the proposed Unicode encoding which has some fonts available. --Mmh (discuss • contribs) 13:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Although I generally favor the use of the proposed Unicode encoding (I use it myself), changing this entire book would be a lot of work, and could introduce significant errors. I think it would be easier to edit the link, http://web.comhem.se/alatius/fonts/annatar.html  (a dead link), to point to a different source.  I found the referenced Annatar font at https://www.dafont.com/tengwar-annatar.font.   I tested it and it worked, although I had to deactivate my ad blocker on the page. From looking at the source for the page, I see that it supports the following fonts: Tengwar Annatar, Tengwar Eldamar, Tengwar Noldor, Tengwar Parmaite, Tengwar Formal, Tengwar Elfica, Tengwar Sindarin, Tengwar Quenya, and Tengwar Gothika.  Many of these can be found here: https://fontsgeek.com/search/?q=Tengwar
 * I would recommend perhaps some intermediary page to explain the Tengwar fonts issue.  Nomme Ectawa (discuss • contribs) 04:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)