Talk:Professionalism/Who Is an Engineer? Burton Siegal and the State of Illinois

To Do

 * Research topic

Outline

 * 1) Introduction (Burton Siegal story -> lawsuit)
 * 2) Background (definition of engineer, professional engineer -> suing party's arguments)
 * 3) Conclusion (conclusion of case and our conclusion/application to profession ethics)

Case Information

 * Design News via NSPE
 * Direct source
 * Follow up news article from Design News: https://www.designnews.com/content/praise-experience/67594194749755
 * 55-year career at time of investigation (2008)
 * 123 patents, National Medal of Technology nominee, Distinguished Alumnus Award from U of I, consultant for many major corporations
 * Never claimed to be a P.E.
 * Investigated by Illinois Department of Financial & Professional Regulation under Professional Engineering Practice Act
 * Investigation began after dispute with client
 * Implication: manufacturing firms could have to remove "engineer" from their names
 * P.E. is more relevant for mech and civil engineers, and less for consulting engineers


 * https://www.ij.org/images/pdf_folder/city_studies/chicago_barrier_study.pdf
 * Gapers Block: http://gapersblock.com/mechanics/2009/07/16/when-is-an-engineer-not-an-eng/
 * NSPE Article on case: https://www.ejcdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Federal-Leg-RegNov2012.pdf
 * Another source: http://www.pemagazine-digital.com/pemagazine/201207?folio=4&pg=6#pg6
 * article about court ruling and free speech: http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-libertarian/2012/05/free-speech-victory-in-illinois/
 * Burton Siegal First Hand Article: https://www.machinedesign.com/engineering-education/hijacking-engineering-profession
 * Profession Engineering Practice Act: http://ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1344&ChapAct=225%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B325%2F&ChapterID=24&ChapterName=PROFESSIONS+AND+OCCUPATIONS&ActName=Professional+Engineering+Practice+Act+of+1989%2E
 * The People Who Sued Him: https://www.idfpr.com/profs/ProfEngineer.asp
 * Final Court Doc: http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-libertarian/files/2012/05/enginnerprofessionallicensureunconstitutional1.pdf

Relationship with Former Client

 * Illinois Court: http://www.illinoiscourts.gov/r23_orders/AppellateCourt/2018/1stDistrict/1163073_R23.pdf

Defining Engineer

 * Short article on what is engineering https://www.livescience.com/47499-what-is-engineering.html
 * Somewhat comical discussion on what is an engineer and what is the difference between engineers and scientists https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2017/11/what-heck-engineer-anyway
 * What is an engineer quotes https://www.olympic.edu/engineering/what-engineer
 * NSPE talking about PE “PE licensure is the engineering profession's highest standard of competence, a symbol of achievement and assurance of quality.” https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure
 * Licensing for engineers https://ncees.org
 * Emphasizes need for PE licensure https://ncees.org/category/news/licensure/
 * Temporary endorsement license- Is professional engineering licensing a scam that the states profit off of? https://fbpe.org/licensure/application-process/endorsement-comity-reciprocity/
 * Licensing is a scam hot take and intro to Mats Jarlstrom https://fee.org/articles/occupational-licensing-is-a-scam/
 * Virginia definition of an engineer https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title54.1/chapter4/section54.1-400/

About Burton

 * Resume https://prabook.com/web/burton_lee.siegal/673354