Talk:Perspectives in Digital Culture/The Prosumer Society

We haven't picked a topic, but I think our team is interested in this. ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs) 15:42, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

The team without a name (as yet) are doing this! Hipsterhenderson (discuss • contribs) 16:46, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Our group has chosen this as our first topic. --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 16:48, 10 February 2015 (UTC) Ok guys... Third message now... Wont be forgetting the ~ this time. Basically you know who I am and you know what I'm saying. Enjoy the workshopping guys!!!! Archiebarber1995 (discuss • contribs) 17:47, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Our group has chosen this topic too AnishaBagri (discuss • contribs) 17:48, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Alright guys, I'm trying to research this topic but its proving harder than I originally thought! --RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 18:56, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

This topic is fairly difficult to get information on but 'The Mcdonaldization of Society' by George Ritzler and 'The Third Wave' by Alvin Toffler explore in-depth the ideas of the Prosumer society and make for a good jumping off point for ideas. Hope this helps. Lec00045 (discuss • contribs) 13:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi guys! Just so it's clear; how many groups are doing this topic? If we work that out, we can then maybe focus on who is going to be discussing what if you know what I mean? The subject is already proving quite difficult to get information on so I think it's important that we all have an understanding on what sections we are taking and then go from there! KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 15:21, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey Kelsey, I've just checked the final presentation group format and it looks like theres only three groups doing this particular topic. That's a great idea, I need some clarity on this! RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 15:31, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

If you all check out an article called 'The Coming of Age of the Prosumer Society' by Ritzer, Dean and Jurgenson then they give some headings that could be explored further? Theoretical Contributions to the Concept of Prosumption, The Role of Prosumption in Politics, and Meaning Making Within Prosumption- all have the basis to expand on; http://abs.sagepub.com/content/56/4/379.full.pdf+html RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 15:38, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I have been skimming this article too and definitely agree that this would be ideal to base our discussion on (at least to begin with anyway). If there's three groups then each group could perhaps take one of the 3 headings you mentioned above, and expand on them? I must admit that I have no clue how to set this all out, but I'm sure once we get going we'll work it out. KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 16:06, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Actually think there's 4 groups doing this by the looks of the table on Succeed! KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 16:16, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

good start team(s) I think a little more debating and engagement on here would really start to open up the topics. Go read stuff, summarise here, get the debate going, yeah? GregXenon01 (discuss • contribs) 17:25, 18 February 2015

'''Good work so far teams. One thought - prosumer - isn't that a compound word? What words is it made of? what do those words mean and what are the implications for your critical engagement with the topic?''' GregXenon01 (discuss • contribs) 15:53, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good! CALLING ALL GROUPS! Should we develop this in the introduction section or create another section to discuss what Greg suggested? Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 17:33, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I think a separate section would make more sense, but I understand if anybody feels like it would be better suited to the introduction. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 23:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I think a separate section would work, something like 'Origins of the word prosumer/prosumption maybe? Also I'm a little confused at the layout of the page so far? Not so much the page actually but just the contents, to me it looks like everything is a part of the history of the prosumer society. Or am I just not reading it right? --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 12:29, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree, a separate section would look better and would be a lot more clear. Perhaps making that section the last one as a sort of summary where we could discuss the implications of our critical engagement with the Prosumer Society? In terms of defining what the words mean and what it's made of etc, the introduction or 'the concept of a prosumer section would probably be most appropriate. What do you's think? KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 21:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

A section with regards to our critical engagement would certainly make sense, I'm just not sure what to put in to it! What does everyone think about maybe in the introduction section, we could explain the definitions of consumer and producer, in relation to digital culture. I think the intro reads quite well as is to explain prosumption, but it could be good to define the other terms to illustrate the difference in each of the terms? --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 20:12, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Definitely do that, a section to define the terms. after the introduction? Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 16:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

That is where I thought would be best, I was just going to add a paragraph about it after the introduction since it was just about those two terms but I will create a new section if that suits! --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 20:12, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey everyone! I was thinking it would be nice if we added some pictures to the wikibook to make it look a bit more interesting. Obviously we're restricted in what ones to upload as there isn't much, but was thinking it could be good to add pictures of the theorists? I tried doing it but don't know how to make the pictures smaller. If any of you know how to work it then let me know or do it yourselves, but definitely think it would be good :). Let me know what you's think. KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 18:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, KelseyB20, if you look at the bottom if this section, I wrote down the same suggestion – but want to turn this suggestion to the other groups too. What do you guys think? This will affect the layout of the whole page. And presentation-wise in my opinion, then every group should try to add a picture for their section so our wikibook will look nice and accessible. Does that sound reasonable, or is someone totally against this stylistic idea? Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 19:18, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Well I'm happy with that approach, I think it just makes it a bit more appealing to the eye and less boring! By the looks of it, it seems that pictures have already been uploaded, but would be good if we could get all the pictures of the theorists instead of only a couple so that it is more consistent! If anyone thinks that it's best not bothering then let me know :) KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 23:03, 4 March 2015 (UTC) I'm just going to jot down some ideas whilst reading the Ritzer article so: 1) We could also look at some of the closely related ideas to add a little bit of breadth in the research. 2) The role of academics in prosumer research. 3) Potentially looking at the historical implications of the term. Maybe a group could be designated to look at the shifts over time? 4) Potential sub-topics (Social Changes & The Coming Age of the Prosumer/ Prosumers & Capitalism/ Concept of Prosumption/ The Role of Prosumption in Politics, and Meaning Making Within Prosumption. We need to figure out which groups can look at each topic, maybe taking two each? RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

If we are going by the above concepts my team is happy to tackle the history and shifts of the prosumer society so we'll handle that. 5.64.12.135 (discuss) 12:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the input! If you're comfortable with that then go ahead. I think my group will tackle the role of academics and maybe one of the subtopics to even things out: Prosumers and Capitalism. That leaves Social Changes & The Coming Age of the Prosumer/ Concept of Prosumption for one group and The Role of Prosumption in Politics/ Meaning Making Within Prosumption for the other? (SORT AMONG YOURSELVES) RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 17:18, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, just wondering whether we should have a little bit about the main theorists on this subject? They seem to be Toffler, Ritzer, Jurgenson and Dean and just have a summary on what they said? Could put that before the subtopics so we can have a bit more to say, unless you guys are already including them in your topics. Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 16:30, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

You could say something about the theorists in the main page if you likeǃ I know the group I'm in for one will be looking at Ritzer and Jurgenson quite closely but that doesn't have to stop you from writing about them alsoː) RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 14:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah was just to introduce them really and then you guys will obviously have more details in your topics. Can see how the structure plans out though, but thanks. Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 15:16, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Cleaned up the page a bit with the headings, would be really good if every group could create their headings and sub-headings? Might be helpful in sorting out what needs to be written/how to develop the concepts? Also, SabreSloth, could you provide the heading of the concept you're going to develop? I just think if we start creating what we want our book to look like, the content will follow. Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 11:07, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, I don't think we should "sign" our work/text on the actual wikibook chapter, but rather explain what we've done here and sign here? :) for a nicer, clean page Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 20:09, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I think by doing that it may overcomplicate things a make this discussions page difficult to keep up with. What does everyone else think? --Smurph24 (discuss • contribs) 19:16, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi again folks, I'm gonna put together the headings for our glossary, so feel free to put your key words in after it's up :) Evigheden, I can't seem to remember mentioning a concept for development up here, sorry if this is just adding to any confusion. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 00:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I made a slight change to the page. I removed the prosumer society heading that we had, since it's already at the top of the page? It was just so that the contents would be organised better rather than 1.2,1.3 etc. We can always change it back if anyone preferred it that way --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 10:52, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi guys, I just wanted to point out a little problem. It looks like Conor accidentally removed the majority of my edits from last night- I'm assuming he put in an edit of his own on an older version of the book which has removed my stuff. I'm gonna re-add everything I did last night but just wanted to let you know anyway, shouldn't be a problem. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 15:01, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I've just realised that my content wasn't the only content affected by it, we're gonna have to find a way to fix it because there's quite a bit missing from both the Social Changes section and the Rise of Prosumption section. Would appreciate replies asap because this could be quite a problem for a few of us, especially if people make new edits with the current version of the wikibook. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 15:07, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

In reply to SabreSloth above, and to all else, what I meant was in the book some people have signed their content and for a clean page that should be removed by the deadline. However, I do understand if it does help right now to know who has written what etc! I didn't mean the discussion page, sorry if I was unclear :) Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 16:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

On, teams, on another topic, (concerning the layout of the whole book) how do you guys feel about maybe including pictures for a more accessible/intersting page? Or do you feel it would distract from the actual content/seem less serious? Or should it be up to each group? Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 16:31, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm all for pictures as long as they're relevant :) also, about my earlier posts, what had happened is Conor had edited an older version of the wikibook, therefore negating any edits that happened after the version he edited was created, but I've fixed all that now and it's back to normal. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 19:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Good job SabreSloth! Great, so the hunt begins for good pictures :) Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 19:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I was reading Axel Bruns book "Blogs, Wikipedia, Second Life and Beyond: From Production to Produsage". His understanding of "produsage", I read as pretty much the same as prosumption. I'm not sure if it would be beneficial to include any of his work on the page? He mentions Toffler's prosumer theory but Bruns understands the term as something like a " pro-consumer". Not sure what to do with it if anyone has any thoughts on it ? If nothing else it could possibly be part of the theorist section? --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 20:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

For anyone wanting to add images I found this guide really helpful: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Using_Wikibooks/Inserting_Images Anna hoodie (discuss • contribs) 21:05, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much Anna hoodie! That's very helpful, That link Anna hoodie provided also, KelseyB20 if you see this, answers your question about resizing images! Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 21:26, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi again guys, just to give you a heads up regarding the glossary, here's the best way to enter stuff and keep it consistent: 1) Add your word/term and make it bold 2) Add a line break in after the word: < / br > without the spaces 3) Enter your meaning for the word on the next line 4) Press enter again to make sure it's separate from any other words below it 5) Enjoy your newly posted word :D If you have any questions, feel free to let me know SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 22:49, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows how to add a reference to the page, I've been trying to figure it out for ages! Any help would be great! Thanks AnishaBagri (discuss • contribs) 11:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Anisha. When you're editing the page, there should be an icon on the toolbar of an open book. If you click on that when your type cursor is at the point where you want to insert a reference then it'll open up a dialogue box where you can enter your reference. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 11:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you SabreSloth for the glossary help above! I'll go make sure my entries are correct now :D (Last day fixes, ahh!) Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 15:50, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I have just added a bit to the introduction just to briefly explain the terms of producer and consumer, I hope everyone thinks its ok but make changes that you think are suitable! --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 16:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I read it through and it looks fine Wallzie :) I like the: "Prosumers have the ability to create what they wanted to fit their needs". I realised the introduction page could be developed to also cover a more critical view of the idea of prosumption that I came across, I might add that if it suits? Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 17:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I added another paragraph of the introduction as I felt it fit in there as I mentioned above, I hope that's ok with everyone? Feel free to change it :) Also, how should we do the referencing as there is a bit of a mix in the list. Should we include direct links or a more "standardised" form of referencing? I feel like we should try to clean up the page (check spelling, accidental "signings" and such) for a good presentation :) Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 17:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Nice one Evigheden, I think the intro is pretty much sorted then! I have just been using the Harvard system for references, although I still need to tidy them up a bit but I think using a reference system looks better than just using web links. Cleaning up the page should be done I agree but I don't think there should be too much to sort :) --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 18:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh no! I've been using APA haha, but I think it's OK most important thing is that we do reference. And I agree, rather different referencing systems than just web links. What do the rest of you think? :) Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 23:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

The Role of Academics (Group 7)
(Rebekah, Kelly, Anna, Sophie, Chantelle & Natalie)

I was thinking that once we've read the articles and found some academics then we can jot the names down on here?RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 12:07, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I've looked at a really interesting article and I'm going to start contributing to the main page with my findings just so you know that I've already wrote about this article when you come to contribute yourselvesǃ http://abs.sagepub.com/content/56/4/379.full.pdf+html RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 20:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys! I think we should potentially expand more on Karl Marx and Ritzer and Jurgenson a bit more. What do you think?--Smurph24 (discuss • contribs) 12:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Prosumers & Capitalism (Group 7)
(Rebekah, Kelly, Anna, Sophie, Chantelle & Natalie)

I'm going to be reading articles over the next few days on this subtopic and wanted to leave some links for you guys to follow up on: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/237967842_Production_Consumption_ProsumptionThe_nature_of_capitalism_in_the_age_of_the_digital_prosumer http://socialnode.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/prosumer-centric-capitalism.html http://crs.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/02/27/0896920510378767.abstract http://joc.sagepub.com/content/10/1/13 Hopefully when we've all taken a look then we can get some discussions goingǃ RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 23:29, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah thats great, I was also reading up on those articles. http://abs.sagepub.com/content/56/4/379.full.pdf+html?hwshib2=authn%3A1424697969%3A20150222%253Adf7823e3-0b5d-49ad-8531-56fd5bfc33f8%3A0%3A0%3A0%3AaANFBr1gjDtFNmHubJcDgQ%3D%3D http://joc.sagepub.com/content/10/1/13.full.pdf+html?hwshib2=authn%3A1424634102%3A20150221%253A34eddcbd-1e2a-4961-89b2-a1384caea2d5%3A0%3A0%3A0%3AcYHQrdT0VgwrvjWFUAOgvA%3D%3D file:///C:/Users/Sophie/Downloads/304-1079-2-PB.pdf http://abs.sagepub.com/content/56/4/379.refs --Smurph24 (discuss • contribs) 13:30, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys! If you're struggling on how to go about this I'd recommend having a look at 'the web as a public and private space' topic as they seem to have a good understanding on what to do. Good example on how we should be discussing on this page as well as just setting out our wikibook. The sooner we all start this properly the easier it will be towards the end :)! KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 14:04, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

The 'web as a public and private space' really helped, thanks for the tip! :) Kellymcdonach7 (discuss • contribs) 14:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I looked at this articleːhttp://socialnode.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/prosumer-centric-capitalism.html and Alvin Brigis seems to be arguing that capitalism is recently more focused on the customer than producer. He also demonstrates how customer service can have an impact on companies or businesses making profit. Coined the phrase "prosumer-centric capitalism" looking at visible network behaviour and how individuals buy and sell online. Many companies have also started Web-based buying options to cope with technological shifts in society, we all know the examplesǃ RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 22:15, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

In Conor's article he looks quite closely at capitalism and how society functioned before the introduction of this concept. He then mentions 'political economy' and how development and success are linked to capital. This makes sense because if something is successful then it's more likely to earn money, right? I believe that this quoteː "With capitalism, concrete human relations are neglected while mediations proliferate" just shows how the value of people is being diminishedǃ Its all about how much they can offer in an economic oriented society. This to me invokes Marxist theory, showing that individualisation, equality and freedom are all an illusion in societyǃ This article is well worth checking out if you have the timeǃ RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 12:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking that when we're doing the write up on the main page then I'd like to explore the Conor article personally in more detail (if thats alright with you ladies?) http://crs.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/02/27/0896920510378767.full.pdf+html?hwshib2=authn%3A1424864947%3A20150224%253A62c2b353-ea4a-4c99-9d23-f2fda6465b29%3A0%3A0%3A0%3Akid%2FB4NcwRrYn9fgF3vMsQ%3D%3D RButterworth95 (discuss • contribs) 12:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC) Yeah that sounds great. Think he should also be one of the main academics we should talk about in the other section? --Smurph24 (discuss • contribs) 22:03, 1 March 2015 (UTC) Good idea Sophie, I'll get on looking at the academics tonight/ tomorrow! 139.153.74.142 (discuss) 15:03, 2 March 2015 (UTC) What academics are you looking at? Just so I know I'm not doing the same! --Smurph24 (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I have also found these articles that are worth a read. https://musicbusinessresearch.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/volume-1-no-2-october-2012-_winter_.pdf http://mtq.sagepub.com/content/11/3/231.full.pdf+html http://abs.sagepub.com/content/56/4/439.full.pdf+html --Smurph24 (discuss • contribs) 19:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I found this, found it an interesting read http://www.ris.uvt.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/giurgiubirsan.pdf Anna hoodie (discuss • contribs) 16:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, should we edit the glossary on our book to make it more accessible? --Nmm00005 (discuss • contribs) 17:09, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey ladies, do you think it would be better if we didn't sign after our contribution on the main page. I feel it would look a lot cleaner and more together if there wasn't any signatures. Pretty sure Greg can tell what we've done by going on to our contribs. Just a thought. Anna hoodie (discuss • contribs) 20:49, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi folks, I've tidied up the pictures in your section a bit, and removed your signatures from the content, but feel free to undo my changes if you'd rather have it back to normal. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 00:17, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

SabreSloth Thanks for that, it looks a lot tidier and the images are in a much better position Anna hoodie (discuss • contribs) 14:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Do you think a sub-heading on 'Prosumption and Alienation' (like in Comor's article) would be worth adding or do you think Rebekah has already covered that in challenges, I might write up a draft and post it here to see what you think Anna hoodie (discuss • contribs) 15:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem guys, I'm glad you like it. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 17:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys! I have just added an image to one of these sub-headings just to jazz it up a bit! Is one enough, or should I add in another? --Smurph24 (discuss • contribs) 19:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Looks good Sophie! Do you think maybe two is enough so it doesn't look too cluttered? But if you find another good image work away! Anna hoodie (discuss • contribs) 19:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Just edited and added to the section I have done on Capitalist Orientated Businesses. Looking through this section I don't think another image is necessary as it will probably look to cluttered! Looking good though ladies! --Smurph24 (discuss • contribs) 22:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Social Changes of The Coming Age of the Prosumer/Concept of Prosumption (Prosumed Guilty)
Hi folks of Prosumed Guilty, feel free to stick your findings up here and discuss what you spot on the topic.

This is a good place to start: http://abs.sagepub.com/content/56/4/379.full.pdf+html (use the login with your institution bit to access it for free.

SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 15:07, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey! Might be completely off topic, but came across an interesting article about digital prosumption that could maybe be good. It talks about digital technologies letting people engage in a variety of online prosumption activities and how it can be said to mark the end of human alienation etc. Take a wee look and see what you's think of it - might suit better for one of the other groups but definitely think it's a good thing to expand on: http://www.ephemerajournal.org/sites/default/files/10-3comor.pdf KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 21:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Do any of you know how to change the contents to make them links? e.g. Adding the 4 subjects that we're covering to the main page in the contents bit? That way we can start writing drafts on that and people can start adding/changing parts etc. I'm clueless haha. KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 14:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey, found an article about how the use of different digital technologies have improved relations between transnational families/friends. Could be an interesting thing to look into and write on. The article is http://crs.sagepub.com/content/41/1/173.full.pdf+html. Also I have no idea how to do that Kelsey! Clueless as well Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I am going to be taking a look at getting something sorted for 'The concept of the Prosumer...' today guys I will most likely post this today or tomorrow. Should I post it here first to get feedback from yourselves or just post on the book itself? Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 10:29, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, sorry I haven't been on this as of yet some technological complications got in the way being media students I will assume you all understand. Whats the general ideas kicking about? I have spoke to a couple of you individually but would someone mind giving me some clarity on the next steps we are taking just to get myself caught up. Thanks Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 19:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Not entirely sure myself, but I think we should try and start getting some structure to what we're going to be writing. So if we discuss what readings everyone has found then we can try and pick out topics to write on. Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 15:16, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey Ben! I've been the same, not been able to access internet at home for three days now - tough times haha! I think we're all pretty much just looking at 'The Coming of Age of the Prosumer' article focusing on the Social Changes chapter in particular! I also recommend looking at http://joc.sagepub.com/content/10/1/13.full.pdf+html as that has some good topics that we could perhaps add to ours or even make as a subtopic. Also, I posted a link to another article (which is above) that could be useful for us to expand on. Does anyone know how long we have left to finish this? Really think we need to get a move on! KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 22:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi guys, I'm gonna jump in and cover Toffler's concept of the third wave, just a heads up. It's essentially what his idea of a prosumer future is, with a focus on knowledge as a powerful resource in what is essentially a post-industrial society. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 22:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

All the three waves including the Third Wave is covered by Team Jonathan (History of the prosumer society/Its shift over time)--Alena00048 (discuss • contribs) 12:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, okay so a suggestion of the basic structure is largely based off the link Kelsey put above and obviously you guys can add/edit from the different readings you guys have done. Hopefully we can now get this finished! Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 15:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey! I've came across a page that discusses all three waves in a basic way which makes it much easier to understand the concept of prosumption and the stages it has went through. Would definitely recommend taking a look - especially if you are struggling: http://calculemus.org.lect/07pol-gosp/arch/proby-dawne/materialy/waves.htm Hope you's are all getting on okay! p.s. Greg has added a comment on the top of the page about prosumption and what we could perhaps expand on - have a look and we could maybe add it to one of our headings KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 18:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi again, I've started a section on immaterial production and will have others up soon. 21:03, 2 March 2015 (UTC) SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 22:25, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey again guys. Hayley really appreciate you taking the time to format a structure. Now do we divide and conquer or do we all chip in just so I can get a move on and start contributing a bit more as I dont want to start doing something that someone is already working on. Just let me know. Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 10:13, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I've done some more research into social changes and have seven distinct changes discussed by Ritzer. I'm going to work on putting them up just now so they'll be up periodically but feel free to add to them with anything else you find! Feel free to ask any questions here as well SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 11:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi again guys, just a reminder not to add bold text to the headings as none of the other headings (excluding the topic title) have bold. It just makes the whole book look more consistent and aesthetically pleasing. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 11:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Just another thing (sorry!) I think we should maybe remove the Ritzer and Toffler section as it could end up being quite big. If we split up Ritzer's work into his 7 social changes then it could look more organized and concise. It should be more easy to write as well, and it'll give us a little more to draw on for each section. Toffler's work could probably remain on its own though. Thoughts? SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 11:33, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree, it would be better having more distinct, if smaller areas to work on rather than trying to cover everything in one huge section Hipsterhenderson (discuss • contribs) 11:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC) Sounds good to me Jamie. I think we are on the right path we just need to make sure that everyone is covering different areas and this seems a lot more possible than I previously thought. Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 12:25, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi guys, I hate to jump in and suggest another change but I think that we could make the project look more substantial if we break up our topics more. I was thinking of taking the bigger headings that Hayley outlined and making them smaller. I've started adding them in separately Hayley's headings so that you can see them side by side. Maybe having Ben's post in a separate sub heading like the Social Changes one would work? We could have Social Changes with a load of sub headings covering those individual changes, and we could also have another bigger heading on the Concept of the Prosumer where Ben's existing work can go alongside any new work. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 12:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC) Just a heads up guys I have been adding some information to the page and I was wondering if someone would take a look at it and make sure I am not saying the completely wrong thing. If you see anything you want to add/edit please feel free.Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 12:35, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah what you've posted is looking good Ben! I'm a wee bit confused about the change in structure though. I definitely agree that we need to make smaller areas to concentrate on as there doesn't seem to be much for us to cover between us all. What's your ideas on the subheadings SabreSloth? I'm happy to cover the more modern aspects of the topic such as prosumption on the internet. Will get started on that part just now but if any of you feel like there's more to add then feel free to go ahead :)! I definitely think there will be plenty to cover in terms of Ritzer's work regarding social changes and the section on Toffler (if we all agree that that's what we're changing the structure to). KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 13:06, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, I think it would look better if we don't sign things on the wikibook, but instead tell people on the discussion board what you've added :) KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 13:06, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Me again haha, I've been reading over 'The Coming of Age' article and I have found the 7 social changes that SabreSloth was talking about. However some of these factors are going to be covering the same elements that will be discussed in the contemporary section. I'm just worried that we're not leaving enough work for everyone to cover as there's 6 of us that need to contribute to this, and I've noticed that people are wanting to start covering other topics now. Don't know if we need to cut our workload down to only one subject until everyone has contributed and then we can maybe add things in to what people have done. Obviously if this is the case then it is important that everyone starts contributing now, and state what it is that you want to concentrate on. If any of you have any ideas on how to tackle this then please leave a wee comment! KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 13:30, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, this is looking good guys and I don't think we need many more headings. I mean the bit about relevance to modern society includes Tapscott and Beer & Burrows but there's a bit about the McDonaldization in Society by Ritzer and was wondering if you guys would want that included in the concept of Ritzer's 7 changes or do a little subheading for that part? I will go ahead and write stuff up on the modern relevance and the McDonaldisation in Society and obviously you guys can edit/add Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 16:41, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Kelsey are you focusing on the modern relevance bit? Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 17:07, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Hayley, I have been looking into modern relevance and wrote a couple of paragraphs (just about to add to wikibook). However, now I've read over it, it's basically just Ritzer's 6th factor so might just add that as part of the factors instead if that makes sense? Will just keep it as it is just now but if you's think that it's best moving it to the factors section then I'm happy with that :) I haven't mentioned anything about the Mcdonaldisation in Society so if you fancy adding that to the part I've wrote then go for it :)! Was thinking about going into detail about a couple of things on internet (facebook, Wikipedia etc) and how they are examples of prosumption like the article we're basing it on does (but only doing a couple of them and going into more detail as opposed to the simple bullet points they do). Might be a bit too much that way mind you and not sure what section that would come under, but if you's have any suggestions let me know! KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 17:31, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, I don't mind covering Toffler's theory of prosumption in terms of society if that's alright? --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 17:54, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah sounds good Kelsey, there's also a source I found that's about the modern Web 2.0 by Beers and Burrows http://www.socresonline.org.uk/12/5/17.html, if that's any help to you. Also, I've started writing on the McDonaldisation of Society so will hopefully get that done tonight and get it up here. Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 18:08, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi guys, I've reordered the headings so we now own Social Changes and The Concept of the Prosumer. Social changes is for Ritzer's work, and the Concept is for Toffler e.t.c. so feel free to add to those headings or create a new one as you see fit. Don't be afraid to add to other people's stuff either, just write what you edited here so that it's all clear. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 18:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ben, just removed the signatures from your piece just so it matches with the others. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 22:03, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I've finished the Immaterial Production section but feel free to add anything you feel like. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 22:35, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm starting a section on the Decline of Material Labour in factories (Ritzer's first social change). SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 22:35, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Doing branding and shared experience in relation to prosumption. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 00:12, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

For those who haven't seen, I've given us a full glossary template, so feel free to add in keywords on your topic :) SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 00:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Cheers Jamie should I just post here what I have done so far? Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 14:05, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey again I have added the following section to the role of prosumption in society 'In society prosumption affects us all on a daily basis for example the reduced workforce in major supermarkets where it we are always being encouraged to ‘self scan’ or more recently ‘scan as you shop’ making the need for human cashiers obsolete and putting the shoppers to work. The role of the prosumer is exactly what it would suggest a being which both consumes and produces in society. This could be producing with labour or knowledge acquired and consuming the same products which they assist in producing.' I wasn't sure if I am suppose to post it here aswell because you guys have said not to sign it. Better safe than sorry. Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 14:26, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey Ben, I think Greg can click on us and then look at our contributions that way so wouldn't worry too much! I've wrote about Web 2.0 and an example that Ritzer used in the modern changes section! Now thinking about starting to discuss the internet as a whole and certain theorist's opinions etc KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 14:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, just posted about the McDonaldisation of Society, feel free to edit/add anything that's obviously relevant. Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 15:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey Hayley, I've been reading through the links you recommended and they're really helpful but the second one "Focusing on the Prosumer," won't let me open or download it, just wondering if you could help me out with that. Also, if anyone else comes across pages on Toffler's Theory of Prosumption I'd find it really helpful if you could link them here or on the facebook page, just finding it a bit difficult to gather a good chunk of info. Thanks --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 16:18, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, since Jamie (SabreSloth) and I are covering most of Ritzer's social changes, I'm going to start putting up content for the last few, minus change 6 which Kelsey covered with the Web 2.0 chat. Talking of which, I have a couple of sources from other modules about Web 2.0, which I don't think have already been linked to here. Being totally honest, I'm not sure if they are completely relevant since they look at Web 2.0 from a more educational standpoint, but there may be the odd thing that comes in handy. The links are http://www.idunn.no/dk/2009/02/art04 and http://www.webarchive.org.uk/wayback/archive/20140615231729/http://www.jisc.ac.uk/media/documents/techwatch/tsw0701b.pdf. Hopefully they both work, and aren't a complete waste of time ha ha Hipsterhenderson (discuss • contribs) 17:01, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, that's most of the body of the Experience Economy up, feel free to add anything in! Hipsterhenderson (discuss • contribs) 17:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Writing up on Toffler's Theory and found an article that discusses a trilogy of books he wrote; 'Future Shock,' 'The Third Wave,' and 'Powershift,' there seems to be some talk of how Toffler's theory relates to society but it is all pretty brief. Just wanted to know if you guys think it would be relevant/useful to add these in too? Heres the link: http://www.mbsportal.bl.uk/taster/subjareas/busmanhist/mgmtthinkers/toffler.aspx --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 18:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey Lauren, oh I'm not too sure... It doesn't look like the other two relate that much to social changes, but then I could be completely wrong haha. If I were you I would just try talk about the Third Wave just now and see how you get on with that since we know that, that definitely relates to the social changes of prosumption. See what the others think though :) KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 19:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Kelsey, i'll expand more on the third wave and may just put the other stuff in briefly as a summary :) --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 20:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, do any of you guys know how to include a reference? --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 20:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, just added the first bit of Toffler's Theory of Prosumption in terms of society, at the moment it's just very brief and i'm going to expand on it more with the third wave. If anyone wants to add or edit anything that's been posted go ahead. It's been more difficult than I thought to find stuff that addresses this directly. --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 20:32, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

There's an icon of an open book on the editing toolbar, if you click on that you can enter the reference and it'll be placed where your text cursor is :) SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 21:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Just updated the branding section and did some housework on the glossary, just need an image for the Branding then it'll be complete. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 22:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi again, Branding is now finished, without an image. I've got a bot taking down my image over a copyright violation that hasn't occurred so it's not worth doing. I have added some extra links and references though. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 23:53, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi guys, I've put in a bit about the role of technological development. I feel like I should link to the next section (Kelsey's bit about Web 2.0), because that's obviously a key technological development, but Ritzer doesn't really touch on it in that section of his article. Any thoughts? Hipsterhenderson (discuss • contribs) 10:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

It flows well into the next topic, so I would keep it where it is. I've reordered them into a more relevant order as well. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 10:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys I have noticed that within the content widget at the top of the book our section seems to be very small in comparison to the volume of information and headings that we have within our chapter. Does anyone know if this can be edited and if so I will get that sorted. Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 13:42, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Just following up from my previous message it is saying that the section I completed in relation to prosumption and its role in relation to society is a seperate section to the rest of our topics? I am not to sure if that is the way it is suppose to be but I am just wanting to make the book a aesthetically pleasing as possible. Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 13:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, Ben I think it might be because of your use of the two equal marks, instead of three, possibly? Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 15:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry Hayley I don't quite follow? In terms of content I am struggling to find anything to add to the section that me and Lauren have been working on which is relevant or hasn't already been mentioned by others. I have taken a look at some of the suggested readings and also sources that some of you have found but I just don't want to be adding for the sake of boosting contribs if it isn't on topic. Is anyone needing assistance with their specific sections or is there anything that we may need to add and I will do my best to fill in the gaps because at the moment I would say that our section is looking promising maybe just needs touching up. Just let me know on this or the facebook chat. Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 16:06, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Ben, if things have already been mentioned by others you could always talk about how they relate to each other? It doesn't mean you have to miss it out if it's still relevant to your section. Does that make sense? Hipsterhenderson (discuss • contribs) 16:16, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay so I have sorted the heading out thanks to Hayley's observation. Sorry it took me a while there Hayley to catch on but this has not sorted the earlier issue I was having with the contents widget as well thankfully. No bother Andrew I think I understand what you mean. Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 16:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I actually misread what you were saying anyway so no worries Ben. Also on the link http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-531-91998-0_2#page-1 page 58 at the bottom there's a little bit about the two major prosumer profiles that are found in society if you want to include that in your bit? Obviously it's not a lot but it is relevant. Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 16:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, Jamie where did you find sources about the rise of immaterial production? I was going to try and look into that but I haven't found many sources. Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 16:33, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Hayley, the academic information is all from Ritzer's article here within the social changes section. In terms of examples, I just used Apple and Linux because of their prominence. I'm not sure if there are any other substantial academic sources for Immaterial production but I can have a look. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 16:49, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, yeah that's the main one, I thought it would've been easier to find and been more on it. Just trying to find other stuff to add that is obviously relevant, so no worries, I'll keep looking. Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 16:52, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the link Hayley, will take a look at that now. I've found an article about the intersecting roles of consumer and producer, I'm not sure how relevant it will be to the section about Toffler's theory of prosumption but it does seem to discuss elements of society. Just wondering what you guys think before i post anything. This is the article: http://www.kentgrayson.com/Grayson%20Archive/consumerproducer.pdf --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 16:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

What do people think of separating Ritzer's social changes from the rest a bit? Not as in giving them entirely their own section, but in some way making it clearer that they are a set? At the minute we just have all the changes from everybody all in together Hipsterhenderson (discuss • contribs) 17:06, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

No problem Lauren, had a skim through the link you posted and it looks like there are some relevant stuff in there that could be included in our topic. I was thinking it might be better to put it in the relevance to modern society? or the prosumer's relations to society? Just a suggestion but if you think it'll work with Toffler's theory then go ahead! Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 17:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, Andrew, that could maybe make it better, I mean we can always change it if it doesn't look right. Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 17:16, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

That's a good idea, i'll have a read through those sections and see if any of it applies and if so add it in :) --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 17:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I've moved the prosumer concept and society stuff from Social changes into its own widget, and split one big section into two so it looks more substantial in the table of contents :) I'm happy to change it back if you don't like it. SabreSloth (discuss • contribs) 17:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Looks good Jamie, I do think this change makes a lot of sense Hipsterhenderson (discuss • contribs) 17:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you Jamie. I think it flows a lot better than it did before now --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 17:38, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion Lauren, I'll try and add more stuff to the decline of traditional production asap. Overall, its looking good guys! Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 18:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey everyone, I might sound really stupid here.. but was looking over my contributions and it hasn't seemed to add what I've wrote in the wikibook (im assuming this is because we haven't signed it). Will Greg still know who's wrote what? KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 22:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey Kelsey, I was wondering the same thing, I'm not entirely sure, if you've put what you've written on this page then maybe they'll know that way, but that's just a guess. Hayleeey101 (discuss • contribs) 11:25, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, just added another little section to the brands and prosumer section. If you feel there's anything to be added feel free to go ahead and do that :) Kelsey, if you sign in and go to edit the section you can copy the work and then re-paste it in when you've signed in. I did that before and it seemed to work for me. --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 14:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I feel like i've not wrote enough.. Starting to panic now haha. It's just trying to find information that's relevant to prosumption. Found lots of stuff on Web 2.0, but none of it discusses prosumption. Also, I've noticed another group have spoke about that above us.. Do you think we'll get penalised for that?? KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Right guys, I'm going to start proof-reading our section now, just to be sure it all reads ok. I'm not going to change any content, maybe just the odd spelling mistake or punctuation issue here or there Hipsterhenderson (discuss • contribs) 15:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Jamie I was just thinking of adding soundcloud as an internet source of immaterial prosumption I didn't want to add this without your say so just give me as shout if you feel this is worth adding. Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 15:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

This is the section I was considering to add - 'Another example of immaterial production and consumption is the prosumer based music site Souncloud which allows users to upload and share their talents with others and viceversa. This melting pot of creativity is one of the key indicators to show that what Toffler predicted for society’s progress in relation to prosumption is resoundingly accurate.'Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 15:23, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, so SabreSloth and I are splitting up the process of proofing this, and I've just done my part. Looking good guys! Very few changes at all, just a couple of commas to break things up a bit. Really nothing major at all! Hipsterhenderson (discuss • contribs) 15:34, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, okay so I added more to the decline bit, just want to know if you guys think it flows well and even sounds relevant. 139.153.48.29 (discuss) 16:55, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, i think that everything has come together really nicely. Thanks Andrew and Jamie for doing the proof reading :) --Lao00005 (discuss • contribs) 16:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey everyone, I just added another part to the modern relevance bit. Probably complete rubbish but thought it could be quite relevant :) Looking good! KelseyB20 (discuss • contribs) 17:00, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

History of the prosumer society/Its shift over time - Team Jonathan
Space for the teams ideas.Lec00045 (discuss • contribs) 17:16, 25 February 2015 (UTC) 5.64.12.135 (discuss) 16:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

A link to some more information about Alvin Toffler (helpful scholar, Third Wave) theorises society changes in waves and prosumer society is what our society will shift to. Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 18:17, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Very helpful information and ideas, might lead to some new concepts that we can add https://georgeritzer.wordpress.com/category/prosumption/ Lec00045 (discuss • contribs) 17:16, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I've started to write about the different aspects of society in the different Waves, the basic stuff I got is from the same article Lewis used. Will add more specific stuff bit by bit. I found this website quite useful: http://calculemus.org/lect/07pol-gosp/arch/proby-dawne/materialy/waves.htm, found it on Google Scholar. PinjaLeh (discuss • contribs) 17:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Also, how do you guys think we should do the referencing? Since I'll be using the same article that Lewis has already referenced, do I just reference it every time I use it too? The referencing here isn't very clear to me yet.. PinjaLeh (discuss • contribs) 17:59, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I realised I just started writing under Lewis' text without a title (or whatever they're called here) so I'm going to have to come up with something that's a nice summary. If anyone has any ideas, please feel free to go and edit the post. PinjaLeh (discuss • contribs) 18:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Maybe this will be a helpful guide with the repeated referencing? Look at "using a source more than once". Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 19:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Trying to find information for point four but having troubles. If anyone could help me out by posting links to where I can find some of the information I would be grateful. Thanks! War00003 (discuss • contribs)

This article provides a lot on production and consumption (basically how prosumption worked in our capitalist society, US-centric) if that is what you're looking for? :) Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 21:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

The Journal of Consumer Culture has some helpful articles in general. It can be accessed via the library (ISBN/ISSN 14695405) - just check if you can find anything helpful in there, War00003! -Alena00048 (discuss • contribs) 10:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

And this overview is probably useful for everyone since it provides short summaries of the three waves including e. g. social aspects and economic changes. Could be a good starting point! -Alena00048 (discuss • contribs) 11:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! War00003 (discuss • contribs)

One part of The Third Wave has been posted! Alena00048 (discuss • contribs) 14:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Great Alena00048 I'll try to develop more on the Third Wave too, covering how its rise in the 20th century led to "Prosumer DIY" etc, and its presence on Web 2.0 from a historical perspective if that sounds good? I'll try to get it done tonight/tomorrow morning. Also just a reminder to add sources to what you all have posted :) And also again, what else do we feel we need to expand on in our section? Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 17:25, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Now added the second paragraph to the Third Wave heading, where I mentioned some parts of the Third Wave which I thought would be easier to develop under their own subheading (if you guys don't approve just let me know, we can change it). I have some of my own ideas I want to jot down, but feel free to add what you think is relevant to the rise of prosumption today! Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 18:16, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Well done! Do you think it would make more sense to put your part before mine? -Alena00048 (discuss • contribs) 12:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I have made a contribution to the web 2.0 section. It is just a jumping off point at the moment. I am a little worried that I'm outside the area that our groups is supposed to be focusing on however? Go ahead and change to make it better at your pleasure! or just remove it if its useless. --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 18:41, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I just adjusted one of the references because we had the same reference for 1 & 2 so I just used the link put up by Evigheden to learn how to change it --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 18:55, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello people, sorry I know im posting a lot, Im thinking maybe we should go on to discuss characteristics of prosumption and maybe the variety of forms that it takes? Such as social media, open source software, citizen journalism? I don't think any of the other teams are doing that? Let me know what you think! --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 12:08, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

To Alena00048 above, I am unsure. How does the rest of the group feel about the layout of our section? I feel the user names should be removed for a clean page. Also, it feels like our sections aren't sourced properly? What sources did you use for your edits, just insert a footnote after the paragraph? Here is a link on how to reference. Hope it can help! Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 16:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, Wallzie about the variety of roms prosumption takes, it looks by the actual book that it will be covered by the group doing "the role of prosumption"? However, as they have not done any edits yet we could offer our assistance, maybe? As our content seems to just need refining now? How does the rest of the team feel time-wise? Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 16:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Evigheden I think we should remove the user names should be removed, there isn't a need for them to be on the page and I have never seen it on any other page before. I did think that I had referenced ok though for the Web 2.0 part I wrote i sourced information from the Kotler piece and the Frank Kleeman piece, both of which have been referenced in text and in the references section at the bottom. I'm always pretty frivolous with putting in references though, don't wanna be getting done for plagiarism! If another team is handling that then I guess we should just focus on finishing our section first and then offer help? I thin the layout of our section is ok but I know that my web 2.0 part was kind of just chucked in, I'm not sure what to instead though, thoughts? --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 20:13, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, Wallzie! No, your part about Web 2.0 is really good, I think. But I agree, let's focus on our section for now and maybe developing it. By that I mean maybe fill the glossary with some terms we use in our section. I'll remove the user names now then, I'll screenshot it in case you want to remember the specific contributions etc so don't worry. Also, trying to find a good picture(s) to use in our section but having a hard time, if anyone has any suggestions that'd be really helpful :) Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 21:35, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey everyone of Team Jonathan! Tomorrow is the last day. How are we feeling about or section, any improvements, suggestions or do we feel pretty sorted? :) Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 23:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty happy with it at the moment, I looked through and I don't think there is anything else within our section that needs to be added on the glossary, I think the YouTube picture looks good and any more pictures would probably make it look too cluttered. --Wallzie (discuss • contribs) 23:17, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

The feeling of having it done is amazing. I've done that too but think the glossary for us is all set, as with the pictures – it looks good now. Good work guys! Evigheden (discuss • contribs) 23:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

The Role of Prosumption in Politics and Meaning Making Within Prosumption (Crescent Casuals)
We can just discuss team ideas here for the topic. Here's an article which is a good starting point: http://abs.sagepub.com/content/56/4/379.full.pdf+html ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

Thanks Conor! I'll read it right now :) Vikitheaustrian (discuss • contribs) 21:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking that besides the role of prosumption in politics that we could also explore the role of prosumption in reference to other areas. Possibly the role of prosumption in the workplace (i.e. the introduction of self checkouts, online shopping, pre-orders etc.), the role of prosumption in defining "the artist" (i.e. whose online creations are original, parodies, commenting on past creations/recreating them, page 15 on the above article), and the role of prosumption in news maybe (i.e. the idea of rumour vs. news and whether the prosumer has had an impact on this). Thoughts? ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

Also, with regards to the role of prosumption in politics I think we could expand on the idea of the left-leaning blog vs. the right-leaning blog (page 13 of the above article), how online prosumption can counteract political regimes just like the article's Singapore example, and maybe how the prosumer may be a part of the larger neoliberal project to shift government responsibilities into private hands and whether this is relevant/happening? ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

This short abstract addresses the issue of prosumption in defining "the artist" http://www.eprints.qut.edu.au/27370/ ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

I've looked around but I can't seem to grasp what this "Meaning Making Within Prosumption" is about. If anyone else understands it then feel free to tackle that but otherwise we could just split it into maybe four sections: The Role of Prosumption in Politics, The Role of Prosumption in the Workplace, The Role of Prosumption in Defining "The Artist" (probably need a better title for that), and The Role of Prosumption in News. Then we could have different subheadings for each section like for Politics we could have the three I mentioned above or any others if you have ideas, then the workplace we could have things like "The Self-Serving Customer", "Online Shopping" etc., for "the artist" we could have "Searching for Originality", "The Parody" etc., and for news we could have "The Citizen Journalist", "Rumour vs. Fact" etc. Does this sound alright or do you have any other ideas? :-) ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

I just changed the layout a little and made the main heading "The Role of Prosumption" and then used the above list as categories within the heading. Hope that's okay with everyone ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

Yeah, I agree that maybe we should leave out the Meaning Making part, because it doesn't make sense! :P I think those headings are good, I'm still doing a bit of research on them, but should we split them up, or shall we just add whatever we can to where ever? AnishaBagri (discuss • contribs) 13:12, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone has found any relevant sources in terms of Toffler's work? I haven't been able to find anything which would really add to what others have contributed and was wanting to expand on his work. If anyone knows any decent sources it would be really helpful. Cheers. Benreid2407 (discuss • contribs) 14:03, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, thats seems better than what we had before! ARCHIE, :) I think you'd really enjoy the Politics bit! Here is a link to maybe help you! SEARCH: "George Ritzer, Paul Dean and Nathan Jurgenson (2012) "The Coming of Age of the Prosumer" in American Behavioral Scientist. Volume 56, no. 4, pages 379-398". Or maybe try this link http://abs.sagepub.com/content/56/4/379.full.pdf+html Especially helpful might be the bit starting from the last paragraph on 390. And this article might be actually also slightly helpful for the "Meaning Making within Prosumption", I remember 'skim-reading' something about it. I'll double check that now...Olga polak (discuss • contribs) 13:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah thats the one that Conor posted earlier! Its actually really helpful, but the hard thing for me is that Im not sure how it feeds exactly into what we're meant to be writing, and Im still confused what we are actually meant to write about :( Vikitheaustrian (discuss • contribs) 16:35, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Ive just started a sentence as a opening line for the the role of prosumption in politics, but I still have to think of how to formulate what Im trying to say. So just leave it like that for now, and Ill add onto it (of course) haha Vikitheaustrian (discuss • contribs) 17:26, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Does anyone know how to add references to the page?AnishaBagri (discuss • contribs) 10:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so I've written a bit about prosumption in the workplace, but if someone could maybe just re-read it to make sure it makes sense- I've been looking at it for so long that I have no idea whether it does or not! :P AnishaBagri (discuss • contribs) 10:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey Anisha! Long time to see! I just read though your bit and in my opinion it looks good. You were also asking for references, right? The way I do it, is you put " ". I just followed the system everyone else on the Ptosumption page was using (you can see it at the bottom of the page, but it was: name, last name, year, title... etc.) Then it just makes a footnote where you insert it, and at the bottom it adds the reference. Hope this helps! :) Olga polak (discuss • contribs) 11:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Also, Connor, I think 'The Role of Prosumption in defining "The Artist"' is a good title. I was thinking we could just say 'The Role of Prosumption in the Art'...? To fit with the other 3 topics. But I am unable to make the decision which on is better haha..... so any thoughts guys? Anyway, I'll briefly start of that section. Olga polak (discuss • contribs) 11:36, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

And one more thing... spying on some other groups I learned how to reference the same source few times! This is so we don't have that many unnecessary footnotes, as it all goes under one. To do this, every time you want to source (like I showed you above), but in the opening you put eg (as in the name of the author, or anything that's first in your reference; followed by the year)! Makes sense? If you're still confused just look at my 'arts' bit and copy from there :) But I think we should use this format, because this avoids repeating the whole reference constantly (which in our case would be v useful). xoxo Olga polak (discuss • contribs) 13:03, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah Olga, I think The Role of Prosumption in Art is a better title, much more straight to the point. Then we could actually have a subheading named "The Artist" with it possibly. ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

Also, does anyone know if we have to reference when adding images? ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

I was thinking about tackling the news section because I can get a lot of references from my journalism course etc. and I know roughly what I need to say if that's okay with everyone? ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

Guys Im honestly starting to freak out, because I understand nothing about prosumption on politics, im trying my best to get my sh*t together but Im scared it will make no sense, since I dont know anything about politics, and the article is saying all about this left wing and right wing stuff and i'm like why are they talking about birds? Vikitheaustrian (discuss • contribs) 20:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC) 86.136.29.11 (discuss) 14:35, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh okay, thanks Olga! I don't think we do need to reference pictures, at least I wasn't going to! Also, do you know how to add pictures to the page? Cause I don't know how to upload the picture from my computer to the page. Also Viki, see if you just write what you can and upload it onto the page, we can all read it and add to it if it needs it.:) AnishaBagri (discuss • contribs) 15:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

This is looking really good now. Especially with the images that have been added. I think that people who have added the images should give them subheadings. This will just to make them a lot clearer for viewers to understand their purposes! --Smurph24 (discuss • contribs) 19:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Guys im so glad that ours looks so good now! and thanks anisha for building me up again hehe! it was so complicated adding the picture in though! Vikitheaustrian (discuss • contribs) 20:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if you've seen this article - http://joc.sagepub.com/content/10/1/13.full.pdf+html?hwshib2=authn%3A1425318559%3A20150301%253A77b4a2b6-20ca-47de-ba84-2a1b2b243458%3A0%3A0%3A0%3Ax0hgdeKbuXY24svCnLqScA%3D%3D (Production, Consumption, Prosumption: The nature of capitalism in the age of the digital ‘prosumer’) I think you need to "Login via Your Institution" and then pick stirling uni to be able to view it. I found it quite useful, so if any of you still need some more info, have a look :) Olga polak (discuss • contribs) 20:33, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you viki for sharing the political paragraph with me. I found your point about propaganda and political participation very interesting. It inspired to write my point about the democratic system and it's prosumtious nature. Archiebarber1995 (discuss • contribs) 20:48, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I was kind of finishing off the news section but the only thing I haven't been able to do is include a picture. I tried and failed miserably. Any chance anyone knows how? ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

I decided to use sub headings for the news section so feel free to add subheadings to what you've already got if you feel it's relevant or anything ConorMurray1888 (discuss • contribs)

Yh.. when I was reviewing my paragraph it was very similar to viki's, although I was paraphrasing and we were talking about about separate instances of prosumtion they both touched on similar facts and issues. I thought maybe I could use subheading just to clarify their differences. But judging wikipedia's etiquette I deemed this an overkill of subheadings. Archiebarber1995 (discuss • contribs) 17:00, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

May have been slightly irrelevant there. Sorry fellas Archiebarber1995 (discuss • contribs) 17:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)