Talk:Perspectives in Digital Culture/Creative Commons and Participation

'''Good work so far teams. One thought - commons - isn't that a key word in itself? What does it mean? What are the implications for your critical engagement with the topic, if say, you were to unearth a whole tradition of relevant scholarship relating to that term?''' GregXenon01 (discuss • contribs) 16:49, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

My name is Amy Pollock, and I don't know my team name, but this is my topic! Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

My name is Mark Cruikshank and I don't know my groups name, but we are amazing and this is my topic MarkkCruikshank (discuss • contribs) 14:39, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

My name is Austine Chan and I'm not sure about my group name, but I'm working on this chapter.Austinechan (discuss • contribs) 14:40, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

My name is Conor Syme and I think we are the Team Tech Savy, savy? Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 15:40, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

My name is Amy McGregor, our group is Team Tech-savvy and we're doing this topic, woop. AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 15:41, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm Flo. Our group name is 404 - Group Not Found. Flobr (discuss • contribs) 15:42, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Tom Wadsworth. You may remember me from such groups as "404- Group Not Found". TheCoolGingerTom (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm Hannah, I'm part of 404 - Group Not Found and I will be contributing to this chapter. HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 15:44, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Rachael Sweeney (normally known as just Sweeney) and I'm in the group "404- Group Not Found"! Rachaelwhat (discuss • contribs) 15:45, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

So yeah, this project is going to take some doing, hoo boy. Let's get a move on and start brainstorming ideas then! I think first off we need to ensure we all have a proper idea of exactly what the topic "Creative Commons and Participation" means. TheCoolGingerTom (discuss • contribs) 15:55, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm in the group 404-Group Not Found. My name's Kate. Let's get it going. Keighterade (discuss • contribs) 16:46, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm Jenny and no-one seems to be forthcoming in joining a group with me and one other person. Hoo, boy, indeed. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 16:48, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

My name is Blair. I'm part of team Wikid. Just realized I never put my name up here. Blairalice (discuss • contribs) 20:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey! My name is Agnes and I'm working on this topic with the team tech-savvy group. Aggie92 (discuss • contribs) 17:47, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so does anyone know what the title actually consists of? I know this might seem obvious, but I Googled it and of course I got a Wikipedia definition, I got: 'Creative Commons is a non-profit organization, devoted to expanding the range of creative works available for others to build upon legally and to share.' - apparently it's a licence of some sort. Is this relative at all? I'm a little confused about this topic. Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 18:59, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I was very confused at first but then I went onto the Creative Commons website and I'm assuming this is what we've to partly focus on: http://creativecommons.org/about. It explains how you can copyright your content online and let others use it and explaining the advantages of it. I haven't found much else yet but I'll spend some time doing some more research. AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 19:29, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I think we could also incorporate how websites, such as Youtube, use Creative Commons, e.g "allows users to mark their videos with a Creative Commons CC BY license" so that other people can use their work. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797468?hl=en AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

So obviously I'm not suggesting basing all our work off this but I thought we could use the wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_license as a starting point for the different sections people could research HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 20:46, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi guys - good to see that you are already starting to think of ways to proceed on this! One thing you might ant to consider is organising this discussion page. For example, adding a new topic (upper right-hand of the pag, a tab called Add Topic) which will automatically generate a new section heading. You could call it Creative Commons Licensing or something. Go ahead.... try it out. GregXenon01 (discuss • contribs) 11:09, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Shall we make headings for the different groups so it's a bit more organised? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 17:57, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Hannah, certainly we wouldn't want to quote the Wikipedia page directly, but certainly we'd link to it. The definition of CC would be a paraphrasing of that page, the CC page itself as well other pages that talk about/explain how it works. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 12:57, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Some history and background information on Lawrence Lessig as he is the big name co-founder as well as the history and reason for its creation? (p.s. Check out Lessig's TED talks, they're awesome). Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 13:28, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll start working on this and try to get something done for the weekend. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 17:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Finn and I'm part of group Wikid, sorry I'm late to the party I had a busy few days away from the computer. I noticed that everyone's been assigned a section to work on, is there anyone who would like a hand or a section with no one working on it yet that I could research? FinnWstone (discuss • contribs) 16:59, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I'm Scott, did not realise I had to put my name here sorry about that, I'm part of team The Uncommons, I feel like I've sorta jumped the gun as I've already added parts to the Youtube section, sorry Amy! :/ SanzBoar (discuss • contribs) 14:21, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey I'm Alan and I'm part of The Uncommons as well. In the creative commons section Ive wrote some stuff about Social Media and the Fan Fiction section about George R.R. Martin dislike of it. AlanLegs (discuss • contribs) 15:50, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I'm Conor, also part of The Uncommons, didn't know I had to put my name here so no time like the present. I've added stuff to Fan Fiction, YouTube & Vimeo and Flickr. Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 22:47, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'm Callum and I thought I had already put my name down here... I made contributions to the video game section, expanded the section on Commons and provided a history and added the section for criticism--CallumBeard (discuss • contribs) 16:43, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Creative Commons Licensing
As well as Youtube, a lot of royalty free music is available under the CC licensing: http://freemusicarchive.org/curator/creative_commons/ AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 14:03, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

I know there's a lot of podcasters who release their stuff under creative commons as well. I wonder if it tends to be small, independent groups who use it, or if there are examples of bigger organisations who do so as well. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 12:52, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

I just noticed Wikibook also has Creative Common notices at the bottom of its pages. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 13:17, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Good spot Jenny! I found a CC case studies page where it talks about different organisations which uses the licensing and about government usage of it - https://wiki.creativecommons.org/Case_Studies AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 23:47, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

The creative commons website itself also has examples of some of the most well-known sites that use it, as well as a link to search through examples of licensed works http://creativecommons.org/who-uses-cc HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 13:21, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

What kind of sections shall we split it into? I was thinking a more in depth section about what CC does and what it provides, a list of organisations which use the licensing, a part about Lawrence Lessig and maybe some criticism about it? Do you guys have any other ideas? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 15:44, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Potentially we could split this up into different forms of media? For example how CC works differently between say music, images, etc and examples of groups thatuse it in each catagory? We definitely should include something as to the legal ramifications of the system and controversy would be a good idea too. Here's the page of one of my favourite musicians who uses CC http://shop.amandapalmer.net/. She's been involved in a lot of media controversy surrounding her use of it, so I'd love to write stuff for that section, if people are ok with that? I was actually going to do a full post for my blog about it anyway! TheCoolGingerTom (discuss • contribs) 11:17, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * You may want to look not just at people who use it, but WHY they use it. What do they see as an advantage to using it over just going with traditional copyright.  Do they have a problem with copyright?  Is it too restrictive?  Do they enjoy the fans creative usage of their works?  Etc...  For example, I know that Wil Wheaton releases most of the stuff he does under CC because he doesn't like the restrictive nature of copyright and has spoken of big companies using bully tactics to crush other peoples creative freedoms.  Lessig's TED talk about Remixing (http://www.ted.com/talks/larry_lessig_says_the_law_is_strangling_creativity?language=en#t-680420) might also be of some relevance.  Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 18:21, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I like both of the above ideas! What Amy's suggested sounds clear and organised, but I like Tom's idea of including different forms of media so I think it could be a good mixture. Criticism and legal aspects of CC I think should definitely be a concrete part of the content. I'll do some research today and see what I can find. Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 12:16, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that sounds good Tom! I'd like to do some research and write something on how CC is used in Youtube if that's okay? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 12:44, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I think we could work with a mixture of both ideas since they both sound good and having lots of different sections to research means that everyone involved should be able to take an individual part HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 13:58, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Alrighty then, I'll mock up a section on controversies later on, and you guys can tell me what you think. I've got a tonne of essay stuff to do too, but I'll sneak in time sometime tommorow hopefully! TheCoolGingerTom (discuss • contribs) 17:05, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Another thing we might want to consider is fan fiction. There has been a lot of controversy surrounding it. George RR Martin is very opposed to it for several reason. In this article (http://grrm.livejournal.com/151914.html) one particular quote stood out to me "Consent, for me, is the heart of this issue. If a writer wants to allow or even encourage others to use their worlds and characters, that's fine. Their call. If a writer would prefer not to allow that... well, I think their wishes should be respected.". He also addresses copyright and legal and financial aspects which fall under this category in my opinion - I could be wrong though. Who owns the rights to the resulting writing, 'exploiting' the characters of licensed books? If I'm not mistaken "50 Shades of Grey" was originally a Twilight fan fiction. It would be interesting to think about this in terms of CC. Overall, it would fit into the category Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)! I would love to do some further research and write something on this subject if it is appropriate for this! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 17:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that Tolkien's idea for creating Middle Earth was that he would create this world with its histories and cultures and other people would add to it over time. I think he may have been predicting fan fiction before it existed or, at least, was popular.  And yet if you use anything of Tolkien's creations in your own way, you'll end up in legal hot water.  See the Hobbit pub as an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hobbit_(public_house)#2012_naming_disputeJennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 18:11, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the fan fiction thing is appropriate, and i think its a really good idea. There's also the other side of it though, where a lot of authors, etc think fan fiction is a good thing, and they even let it shape what they do in the future. For example, there have been episodes of and events in Supernatural that were based on fan fiction/things fans wanted to happen. And I think that's quite complicated because who actually created the plot lines? The creaters of the show, or people who have used/exploited the characters and worlds they created? (If your idea is relevent that is!) (And 50 Shades was a fanfic) Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 17:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I've been reading about the different kinds of license available (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/), so i'd quite like to do a section on that as long as nobody else minds? HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 18:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Since this is a collaborative blog after all, we are encouraged to discuss and contribute to topic discussions. I propose that we create subheadings for each potential topic. We could have a 'main person'/ people (I.e.: the person/people listed under the TOPIC section) who will specialise in this area and continuously post and update information and sources. Others who come across information/references can add it there. What do you guys think of this idea? Flobr (discuss • contribs) 00:12, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I think that sounds pretty good. We should definitely be able to contribute to other areas than the ones we chose if we want to/find things of interest or relevance. I think that makes it more collaborative. Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 02:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

That definitely makes a lot of sense and it should help us get more information in each section. It also means everyone will be able to get a broader understanding of the topic as a whole instead of sticking to the one section. HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 11:00, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

At the bottom of each Wikipedia article is written "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License;". Might be interesting to explore this further and add it as a topic if anyone wants to! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 07:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I've forgotten the date we have to complete this by, can anyone remember? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 11:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I thought it just had to be done before we do the presentation? But i'm not 100% sure. Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 16:06, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I have it down as 6th March. I'm pretty sure Greg said nothing is stopping us from adding to it after that, but only what is posted up unti 5pm that day will be graded HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 17:22, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

(This is what Greg responded to the question yesterday) Hi Abbie - good questions! You can use the user talk pages to do this. I think that a more productive way though, because of visibility, would be to "add topic" or create a new section on the book discussion page you wish to work on. There are a number of templates and formatting tricks that you can do to order things. Try these out in the "sandbox" mode if you're unsure. So it's up to you guys what we would all prefer Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 16:08, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the music section of Creative Commons, we could spilt that into two sections as it covers both the music communities, like SoundCloud or BandCamp, and record labels like Vosotros. Also is anyone else keen to look at the education side of it? I noticed they have a few educational projects that might be interesting to look into. Rachaelwhat (discuss • contribs) 17:24, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I was going to do both (communities and labels) within the same music section.. Do you think it would work better having two totally separate sections? I'm open to either, I just thought they were similar enough for it to work. Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 17:37, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

If education isn't being covered already I could look into it, was doing some research earlier and stumbled across a few projects that they have been involved in/are planning. Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 20:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay so I'm a little confused, do we sign the content we have edited/written in the book, or discussion part only? Also, are we writing our content in this discussion section, editing it and then copying it over to the book part? Sorry if I sound ridiculous, but I just need this cleared up before I start fully researching and writing! Thanks! Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 20:24, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I think we just sign what we write in this section, but Greg will still be able to see what we each contribute to the book. I think either way would be okay! I might just copy what I've written over to the book just now as people can still edit it that way. AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 21:08, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

With the music section, it could maybe be spilt into two subsections within the title of music, since there are slight differences between the music communities and record labels. I'd like to also research some of this, if you'd like to collaborate on that topic? Rachaelwhat (discuss • contribs) 13:32, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a good idea - it might make it easier to follow too. Of course, anything you want to contribute would be great! Would you like to focus on one of the two sub-topics, or will we just do a bit of both each? Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 17:06, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Alrighty, got together a draft of the "controversies" section. So far it has an outline of why people view the system in general as controversial and goes on to give the Amanda Palmer example in detail. THere's probably plenty of things that need changing with it, or adding to, but that's just what I've come up with for now! Glad to see we've already divided the page into sections; was going to suggest that but was busy with family until now! I think we need to start using a few images too, just to brighten everything up. Also, does anyone know how exactly referencing functions here? TheCoolGingerTom (discuss • contribs) 19:12, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Looking at one of the other groups it seems that referencing is the same as in our essay work except it's in a numbered list. I'm not sure what the glossary is for though? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 19:24, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I found this article on criticism of CC which may contribute to the controversies section? http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2014/04/02/does-creative-commons-make-sense/ AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 19:29, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

For the music section we should spilt up the workload, so we don't both end up writing the same thing over and over. I'd be happy to take the record label side if you'd like the communities side? Rachaelwhat (discuss • contribs) 21:22, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I found a bunch of information about CC and video games and thought that could be an interesting section to add. Wikipedia has a list of CC-licensed video games. There is also connections with Free Software Foundation and OpenGameArt, which can be mentioned. I'd love to write about that if everyone is okay with that. Aggie92 (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm happy doing the communities, since I've started researching it. Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 17:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

"Controversies" Topic: I noticed that there was no source for the quote "destroys copyright protection and commerce, destroys value, and does not help artists to survive". If you still have the link/source, it would be great if you could add it! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 19:48, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry Flobr, I'm aware of that issue, just wanted to check how to reference first! I have the information saved. And thanks for the article Amy, I'll go over that now! I think a section on video games is a great idea, ashamed I hadn't considered it! There's all kinds of madness going on it that industry right now, so if I think of anything that could be relevant to CC, I'll let you know Aggie92 TheCoolGingerTom (discuss • contribs) 11:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Reference added, fairly certain I haven't screwed it up... Aggie92, I've left a link on your talk page in regards to the Nintendo stuff you wrote in the Controversies section; could be useful! Currently exploring how exactly images work on Wikibooks. The guidelines say we can only use images we've created ourselves, or have permission for. So no just nabbing stuff from Google Images! I've inquired with Amanda Palmer as to whether the images on her Kickstarter are available for such use, since they'd be perfect for what I've written thus far. Shouldn't be a problem since she's a massive advocate of CC, but this might be something to consider for any other images we use. Might want to get image inquiries in early so we have them all confirmed in time. TheCoolGingerTom (discuss • contribs) 13:07, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I got the link, thanks TheCoolGingerTom! Yeah there is a lot in the video games industry, and if anyone wants to do like a subsection on programmes and softwares then you're more than welcome. Not sure how much depth into the subject will be needed. And good point about the images, I might have done that mistake. Aggie92 (discuss • contribs) 14:08, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Can I suggest that when we are to reply to a certain message or thread we tab/indent to indicate where the thread starts/ends? use ":" to tab once, then subsequent colons to reply to particular messages? Might make the discussion a little easier to navigate. :) 2.217.248.210 (discuss) 14:58, 20 February 2015 (UTC) Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 15:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned or written about Flickr yet. I'm currently writing on this subject as Flickr includes CC licenses as a copyright option. There was also an entire lawsuit which included the CC Corporation. I'll be posting it later when I'm done ! In case anyone already has written/or already mentioned they would write about it please let me know! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 18:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I found a list of works that operate under creative commons. Looking at the group lists Greg posted on succeed there still seems to be people working on this topic who haven't posted yet so this could be useful for them. Alternatively if anyone wants to research one now it wouldn't do any harm to get more information on here HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 13:32, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * That's great! could you post an abbreviated version under the topics tab? Or perhaps just the link? Somewhere nearby? Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 18:57, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I have no clue why I didn't add the link with that post, I think my brain left me for a bit! Anyway, it's here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_available_under_a_Creative_Commons_license :) HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 19:16, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * There is also this one I posted a while ago that I think got lost in amongst all the other posts, it has the best known groups that use CC http://creativecommons.org/who-uses-cc HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 12:57, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Topics
Since there are loads of topics that fall under CC and Participation I thought it would be good to have a quick list/overview. We could do something along the lines of

TOPIC - NAME(S) of people who would potentially write about it

example:

FAN FICTION - Flobr (discuss • contribs) 18:08, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

This will make it a lot more organised and then we can make a start on adding content. I'll just begin then list and then anyone else can add anything. AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 19:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Types of licenses - Hannah
 * Fan Fiction - Florence
 * YouTube - Amy
 * Music - Abbie
 * Controversies - Tom
 * Info on Lawrence Lessig - Jenny
 * Education? Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 20:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Science - Conor Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 22:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Photography?- Joelmohawk (discuss • contribs) 12:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Public Policy - Blair ... I didn't see this listed down here although I can't find mention of anyone covering it. I'm working on this now. Blairalice (discuss • contribs) 20:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * HQ - Blair ... Mountain View, CA is right next to my home town (Palo Alto) so I thought I'd write a little information on this city in the heart of the silicon valley... maybe a brief expansion on the history outlined already? Blairalice (discuss • contribs) 20:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Participatory Culture/Ideology? - Suggestion... should this be a topic of it's own? Blairalice (discuss • contribs) 20:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for being so late to jump in here guys. I suppose that we are not contributing by/as groups? Might I suggest that we divide some of these up and tackle them as pairs? For instance I'm sure topics the likes of 'Types of Licences' or 'Music' will have a phenomenal amount of info to cover. I of course don't want to jump in and make a mess so might someone give a shout out for some assistance? Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 22:33, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * On a further note, might it be worth, under a single heading of 'Projects' we use the subheadings of 'Education', 'Science', 'Public Policy' and 'Culture'? I don't mean to just plagiarize the CC page but their model is a sound one. Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 22:59, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm working on the types of licenses section and I've been struggling to find information outside of the actual creative commons website, so I could alway use help with trying to find relevant readings :) HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 16:20, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry Hannah, I'll be honest i posted that before I had really looked much into it! I think you have covered it pretty thoroughly! But I shall have a good look all the same! Hope I didn't send you on a search :P Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 18:42, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * No it's fine! I'd been looking anyway but there doesn't seem to be too much else to say. We still have time incase somebody manages to find something useful :) HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 19:19, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * So believe it or not I did find something! Totally by accident I'll add, I didn't see mention of CC0 (CC Zero) license. This is where I stumbled accross it - http://creativecommons.org/tag/personal-genome-project. This surrenders copyright in its entirety. Check it out! Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 21:26, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * That's great, thanks Conor! I'll get something up about that by the end of the day :) HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 10:57, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Does anyone have any more ideas for topics? I feel like what we have already is a pretty decent amount but it might be good to try and add more variety as opposed to only fleshing out the topics we have already. I noticed that we lost the Lawrence Lessig section and was wondering if maybe we could include a section that talks about notable figures related to creative commons and participation as opposed to a section purely about one person, thoughts? FinnWstone (discuss • contribs) 21:53, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I can't decide if either of these are useful, but there is a link here https://stateof.creativecommons.org/?utm_campaign=2014fund&utm_source=carousel&utm_medium=web that shows the countries that use CC most etc, + this one https://donate.creativecommons.org/ about donathing to them? It just depends how much we could write about them/how relevant they are. HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 11:28, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it's also worth mentioning a bit about government usage and its uses in journalism? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs)

I feel like we've been concentrating a lot on the CC aspect and have ignored the Participation one. I remember that it was briefly mentioned it briefly in the education section. We could have a section just to this aspect. I have not found any great links dedicated to this, but I'll continue searching! So if anyone has some it would be really useful for this wiki! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 21:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Would it suffice to state clearly how these licenses, areas of study encourage participation? I have the feeling CC and Participation are not mutually exclusive. Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 14:08, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah sure, that should do it! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 08:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys sorry I haven't been active before I was thinking I could write a bit about the use of CC in photography I found this page with a bunch of case studies where photographers have used CC licenses and talked about their experience. Joelmohawk (discuss • contribs) 12:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Structuring
This is just an extra tab to discuss the structuring of the Wikibook. I made a suggestion above (in the topics title), and it occurs to me that everything is currently under the 'Main Concepts' heading. I think it would be worth making 'Controversies' a heading of its own? And perhaps have The Lawrence Lessig part in the introduction or overview? Something like -


 * Introduction
 * Main Concepts
 * Licencing
 * Types of Licences etc
 * Projects
 * Education
 * Science
 * Culture etc
 * Platforms
 * Social media
 * Youtube
 * Fan Fic
 * Controversies

I don't know exactly how Youtube and Fan Fic fit in here, but worth a thought I think? If someone has already addressed this then I apologise for stepping on toes! Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 23:59, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I like this layout. If everyone else is okay with it we should try and organise it like this asap before there is too much info to try and move around. AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 10:51, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I like this layout too I think it helps to have the different sections instead of having everything under the one category HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 16:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

This is a good layout, stops it looking lengthy and scary haha! Sorry by the way I was away to England for a few days and I'm off to work now but when I come home I'll write a few things up about education - I have found some sources that I think should be useful! Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 11:04, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I've made these changes to the structure but I'm not sure where music fits in so it's in its own section just now. AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 12:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It could maybe go in projects. Or the other thought I was having is it maybe instead of Platforms, we call that section Media and one subsection could be video (and so Youtube and Vimeo, etc) one for music, one for fan fiction, one for photos, etc. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 18:39, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I thought similarly. The section Culture, under Projects, is devoted to this kind of stuff (I think). I'm not entirely sure where Youtube fits in (I haven't looked thoroughly) but Flikr comes in here, as does Google and Wikipedia. It also briefly discusses User-Generated Culture towards the bottom of the page. http://creativecommons.org/culture Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 22:06, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

I've added some stuff to the introduction section. I'm not too fond of it right now, but as Greg said it's important to get something out there then work on it. I was suppose to be putting a section up about Lawrence Lessig but it occurred to me that its not really him himself that we should be concerned with, rather his involvement and contribution to Creative Commons. What I've ended up with is some stuff on why CC was conceived and what its goals are. I will continue to work on it. Any comments/suggestions/contributions are welcome. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 18:16, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Also, what's up with the referencing section? I noticed other people have got references in their sections yet all I can see are the references from my own work and a few others. Maybe it just takes a day or so for it all to come together properly, but worth keeping an eye on. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 18:47, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I found this info http://creativecommons.org/tag/free-culture about the Affiliate Project Grants and the effects it's had. I dont' know quite where it would go, but I feel like it can either go into the culture or projects section? I think it's a pretty interesting thing to mention --MarkkCruikshank (discuss • contribs) 00:39, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks so, so i'll put this out there, we need to sort out the structure of this. The platforms tab was just an initial suggestion, but I don't think it works. For instance, Soundcloud seems to fall under the heading of Music. And likewise, all of this appears to fall in the realms of Creative commons Culture projects (though I may be wrong in this). Anyone have any better ideas? Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 10:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that the structuring is still not quite right and that soundcloud should come under music. I think it should go like this:
 * 1.5 Music
 * 1. Communities
 * 2. Labels
 * 3. Soundcloud
 * The reason I say 1.5 is because that is currently the controversies section and it seems to me that that should be at the bottom of the page before the references section as that tends to be how Wikipedia pages are structured. I'm also wondering if journalism should be in the 'projects' section.  It seems to be a bit odd sitting at the bottom of the page on its own. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 15:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree! That sounds much tidier. Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 16:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Where might communities come in? Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 16:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Ignore this comment! Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * So What about the area titled platforms? Perhaps journalism might fall under Public Policy? Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's looking a lot better from this afternoon, nice work :) Journalism probably would work being, at the very least, underneath Public Policy if not a part of it.Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 20:40, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree that it was looking a little messy - but Music under Culture I think could work as they are relative, but it is quite a big section in itself so I think it could work just on its own. Same goes for Journalism under Public Policy, I think this would be better suited. With the way that Wikipedia normally structure their pages, controversies and issues are normally placed somewhere towards the bottom, near the references. I wasn't sure about the 'Controversies' section looking randomly mixed in with the rest of the content, it's probably better to keep that nearer to the end. Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 00:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Just skimmed through it, the layout looks so much better! The images look great and makes it look way more realistic and professional! How did you manage to get images to work? Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 01:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

YouTube
YouTube is one of the organisations which provides a Creative Commons license for its users. This enables other users to add to their work or even use it commercially by using the YouTube Video Editor. The videos will be marked with a Creative Commons CC BY license.

Not everyone is eligible to use this license. There are certain elements which can prevent users from being able to use it: Community Guideline strikes, copyright strikes and having more than one video blocked worldwide by Content ID.

Users will only be able to mark their videos with a CC license if all of the content belongs to them. Videos which are in the public domain are also eligible for the license. The public domain consists of videos which have lost their copyright protection over time and are now free for anyone to use. AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 15:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

I've been thinking about the Youtube section and wondering if anyone else thinks it could benefit from a description of the Youtube Partner system? it essentially gives users who are part of a third party network more freedom when it comes to what they post and what material they're allowed to use in the creation of their content. FinnWstone (discuss • contribs) 17:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah Finn I think that would be a good addition! AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 18:06, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Found this article showing some criticisms of CC on YouTube, would it make more sense talk about this in thee controversies section rather than this one? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 11:05, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Vimeo also has a section full of videos with CC licenses so i'll just add that in the YT section. AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 18:40, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

On the Creative Commons Website it talks about how there are four million CC licenced YouTube vids, and because of this users find it easier to use other people's work from their YouTube videos without harming copyright laws. So I guess you could say that CC is making YouTube more in-house since they can all just use one another's work. Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 23:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Here's the link to the blog if you want to look. Personally I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not. I mean it's good that these users are co-operating but at the same time doesn't it kinda just limit original content? Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 22:33, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Heya, I added some stuff about MCN contracts, abit about Youtubes lack of CC's support and abit on SOPA which Im having second thoughts on and also edited a couple parts, apologies for not saying before doing so, any issues hit me up SanzBoar (discuss • contribs) 13:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

A couple of the edits on the book under this section are showing up on the history as an IP address instead of a username so it looks like someone forgot to log in before editing. It'd probably be best for those who worked on this section to check this out to make sure whoever it was gets the proper credit for their work HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 11:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeh that was me being a dummy, I just deleted the stuff I added and then re-posted it so it appeared under my username. Cheers for spotting my fail :P SanzBoar (discuss • contribs) 14:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * No problem! I figured it was you because of the timing and things but I thought it was best just to check :) HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 19:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Music
Creative Commons (CC) allows bands and artists to release music under a range of licenses, creating an abundance of music content which can be edited and shared by anyone, legally.

The most prominent and mainstream music site where CC content is available is Soundcloud. However most sites featuring this type of content are more niche and therefore less well known. For example BandCamp and ccMixter. All of these sites include CC licensed music, with many of them connecting the artists/bands with those in the music business.

The Free Music Archive is a collection that brings together music that is free to use and listen to by everyone, and though not all is protected under a CC license, the vast majority is.

Most bands and artists who release their music under CC licenses are relatively unheard of. Some reasons for this being that they are generally new to the music industry, independent artists (or with independent record labels) or not yet commercially successful. Releasing music under these licenses can be a good way for these artist to break out into the mainstream and gain more success. Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 17:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

The website Incompetech has a collection of royalty free musical arrangements that have been released for use in the creation of media content by anyone for free. You hear tracks from the site a lot in youtube videos or other small scale productions. I think it's all done by one musician Kevin Macleod. I think it could possibly merit a mention in the music section. FinnWstone (discuss • contribs) 17:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, if you want to research that and add it in, that would be great. Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 18:28, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I added a reference, just a link to Kevin MacLeod's FAQ section. I was really just testing the referencing in a different section as I think there's something not quite right with the referencing on this page. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 19:03, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking whether it would also be worth putting some mention of specific artists who use it and why they say they use it. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 19:09, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a good idea. I don't really think the 'why' aspect is mentioned very much in any section (that i've read), so it could definitely be worth incorporating. Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 13:19, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I have a friend who puts all his band's music on Bandcamp, I could ask him why they use it? Rachaelwhat (discuss • contribs) 09:04, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, go for it! Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 17:35, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm doing a bit of research into NIN and their use of CC license, I won't be rambling on about it too much but cause they're a fairly big band I feel like it'd be good to talk about them. Joelmohawk (discuss • contribs) 12:00, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

YouTube, when a user is creating a video, has an entire database of free-to-use music by various bands and musicians that is licensed so that users can use in their videos without infringing on copyrights. Keighterade (discuss • contribs) 16:33, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Adding on to my previous edit, I can't find whether or not the YouTube Free Audio Library is used under Creative Commons licensing. There are things about copyright policies but I'm not sure. Any clues? Here's what I've been looking at, with no success. Keighterade (discuss • contribs) 16:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

General Questions
The other parts were looking a little cluttered so I thought it would be a good idea to create a place where people can ask any questions they have about the project as a whole HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 10:57, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

- Should/can we add pictures or other related links to the book? HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 11:41, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah we could add a couple of pictures. I tried inserting a photo of Lawrence Lessig but it proved a bit difficult for me, does anyone know how to do it? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 12:01, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how to add them, I was thinking about asking in the reading room place on here that Greg mentioned to see if anyone can help HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 13:19, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The thing you may wish to bear in mind with picture is that they should be copyright free. It would be a bit odd to write up a section on Creative Commons then technichally steal a copyrighted picture. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 22:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah of course, I'm not planning on going overboard with the picture use i just thought it would be a good idea when talking about the different licenses to add the different logos as shown here - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/. What does everyone else think about this idea? HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 14:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I just bring it up because I've noticed copyright information on pictures on Wikipedia in the past, so I think it's something they take seriously. What you've got planned sounds fine, as the images on that page fall under Creative Commons Attribution.  Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 22:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

I think it should be fine with copyright. Since they are logos and you are not claiming they're yours! Check this link out, should give us all a clearer image of what we can/can't do with pictures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Uploading_images. Otherwise it's always best to double check in the forum you mentioned!Flobr (discuss • contribs) 16:57, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, so I think I got a basic understanding from the link you shared (thanks!) and it seems like it should be okay, as long as we are all careful about checking for possible issues before we upload HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 19:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

There are a lot of sites that have CC images, so it might be an idea to check those? I'm not sure if they would have what you're looking for exactly, but using CC images when writing the book on CC seems like a good thing to try, even if just for one or two images? That's what I was considering doing for the music section. Abbielouises (discuss • contribs) 17:09, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah i've been looking at a few of them, not necessarily for the section i'm working on but it would definitely be good to incrporate a few into relevant sections. Somebody should be able to create a section out of that too. HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 19:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

OK so you have an IP address here instead of your signature, which means you didn't log in before editing. log in before editing otherwise it doesn't get logged into your contributions! Otherwise, great work so far team(s) GregXenon01 (discuss • contribs) 17:15, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Shall we include a section for social media as a platform for circulating content and putting new content 'out there' or mix that up in amongst the bunch? I certainly believe that it suits the like of Youtube and perhaps Fan Fiction. Thoughts? Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 23:37, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

The referencing list is looking a bit bare! Is there anything that hasn't been referenced yet? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 11:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I have references to add, I'll have them up soon once I have a more updated version of the section I'm working on HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 16:22, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but for the education topic - can I just click on 'Add Topic' and that will bring up its own heading? Just wanting to double check before I do something that might be wrong! Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 11:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah just add topic and it gives you space to create a title for it and add in the text :) HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 11:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

How do you add the date you accessed a website to the reference list? HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 12:34, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

If you go click the edit option in the section where the reference has been inserted you should be able to edit it AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs)

Is it easier to draft what we find in the discussion part before adding it into book part? Or is everyone else just doing both at the same time? Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 20:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Um I went to add a new topic and only put in the title and no content and saved it and now I can't find it. Sorry if I've potentially disrupted the page by doing this, I'll try and sort it out! Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 20:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

You can just go ahead and add content into the book if you want as anyone will be able to edit it anyway AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs)

I think someone should absolutely add the recent Power Rangers R-rated reboot film to the controversies section! What a great time to be alive! Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 15:06, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

R-rated? Really?! AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs)

Sorry everyone, this might sound a bit stupid - but how do you reference content when adding it to the book? Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 21:28, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Click on the little book icon and you'll be able to insert the link or whatever other reference you used AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs)

Any luck on trying to add a couple of pictures? I'm still not sure how you do it AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs)


 * When I asked in the reading room I was linked to this - https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Using_Wikibooks/Inserting_Images. I haven't been able to make sense of it yet but I'm hoping to look at it more in the next couple of days. Unless anyone else wants to beat me to it! HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 21:10, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I managed to figure it out and tried inserting the CC logo but I had problems resizing it as it was too big. If anyone else wants to try it, you save the picture, insert the file name next to File: and paste this into the wikibook without the spaces in it AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs)


 * I managed to put a small version of the logo in but I'm not sure how it looks. I'm going to try and work out resizing earlier but if people don't think it works then someone can just take it out. If I work it out I'll try to add more pictures later tonight too. HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 11:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I've added a couple more pictures in, I'm not sure how they look but people can always remove them if they don't feel like they work. HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 19:16, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Would anyone like to help me out with the education section? Might be more effective if two people work on it at once if anyone is up for it? :) Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 17:50, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll help if there is any specific part you would like me to look at? :) HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 21:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey guys, I started working on the culture part of the project section. I was wondering if I could get some help on it, get a different voice in. if that's okay. Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 23:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I've been looking this up http://www.hitrecord.org/ just out of interest, and I'm not sure if it is under Creative Commons or not. At the moment I'm leaning more towards the fact that it's just a similar concept he is using that doesn't fall under CC guidelines, but I'd love some input from you guys to see what you think/if it is worth mentioning in the book :) HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 18:37, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Just reminding everyone that the deadline is in a couple of days so if anyone else has anything to add you should do it pretty soon! AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs)

Been browsing articles and suh for the last few days, but not found anything that really adds to the page in any decent way I'm afraid. It'd just be adding content for content's sake, without any new information. Honestly I think we've done pretty well with this from the looks of things, So good job everyone! Hopefully the presentations will go justas well... TheCoolGingerTom (discuss • contribs) 17:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

We've focused a lot on Creative Commons but not so much on participation, anyone got any ideas about this? AmyMcG95 (discuss • [[Special:Contributions/AmyMcG95|

I'll point out quickly that I never found any relevant images for my section, none that weren't copyrighted or anything. I assume we can get images and such for the presentations though at least. Not sure about the participation stuff though, I think I've got splashes of it in the controversies section but don't really know what to do beyond that! TheCoolGingerTom (discuss • contribs) 13:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Slight error in the criticism section that was messing up a reference link, fixed it, whoever just did that section can go back and check that the reference was as they wanted it to beJennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 17:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Fan Fiction
There are a growing number of authors who use Creative Commons to legally permit derivative work (e.g. Mercedes Lackey ). This option is especially used amongst lesser-famous authors, as this can help with publicity. The Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International License is most suitable for this type of work as it allows the adaption of original material. Attribution must be given and the work must be distributed under the same license as the original. It does not allow for commercial-use.

Notorious authors, such as J. K. Rowling, allow this type of work under certain conditions (i.e. Rowling forbids pornographic or sexually explicit material ). However, many authors, even those who allow them, do not license fan fiction under Creative Commons license. Authors can therefor, under the Copyright Act of 1976, take actions to remove derivative work.

The legal issues surrounding fan fiction is first and foremost dependent on the copyright owner. Creative Commons only facilitates the sharing of copyright work. It is important to be aware which author explicitly forbids this type of work (a list of this can be found here and here).

Flobr (discuss • contribs) 07:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Since fan fiction mainly deals with legal issues (copyright) I tried sticking to our topic, Creative Commons. If anyone has anything to add or more information please post it here! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 07:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I've been deliberating on the topic of Fan Fiction because it's such a huge form of communication and has created all of these communities and such; the use of Creative Commons also extends to other medias such as art and design whether this happens to be fan art or not -- would it be alright for us to go into the use of Creative Commons in regards to these different medias as well? They are similar to Fan Fiction but I think they are well worth mentioning because they also facilitate the creation of communities and collaboration etc. I think they'd be worth mentioning. Keighterade (discuss • contribs) 14:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I think you're raising a good point, fan fiction takes the form of so many different medias. I've seen fan made video games, radio plays and even entire fan written books before. It would be interesting to look into how much of this content is legally protected by CC law and how much is just allowed to happen by the intellectual property holder in order to grow out the community or to even act as a form of publicity. It might also be valuable to look into communities that persist even after the show/film series/books end and see where they stand in relation to creative commons law FinnWstone (discuss • contribs) 20:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

That's a good idea! We could create a section dedicated to "Fan Culture". Art, videos - anything related could be discussed, each with their own subheading. If anyone is interested to write on (Fan) Art or anything else fan- related they could post it here! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 16:59, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

This is a page from Wikimedia about it https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Fan_art so yeah it would be worth writing a bit about fan art. If anyone is struggling to find something to contribute you could do this? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 18:50, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I've added a little bit to the fan art section but feel free to add anything else. AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs)

There were broken links for JK Rowling and the Copyright Act which led to non existant wikibook pages. I've assumed that they were meant to go to the wikipedia pages instead, which I have done. If that's not what the intent was, you can change them at your convenience. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 20:37, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

That's great, thank you! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 21:21, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Recently there was a big fiasco with a Power Rangers fan film that was on YouTube for a while but was then taken down by Saban Brands, the owners of Power rangers, who claimed copyright infringement. Whether Saban Brands uses CC I don't know. But it's interesting as it kinda raises this idea that some people have that copyrights eventually just run out. Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 22:27, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I've seen some stuff recently about George R.R. Martin discussing his hatred for Fan Fiction because he sees it as copyright. I kind of agree with him because it alters well established characters in his already well structured world. The support for audience interpretation is available in many franchises or legacies but I suppose taking characters and creating something else from them does detach the work the author has put into the novel. AlanLegs (discuss • contribs) 16:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Types of licenses
I've started to upload my section! There is still a fair bit of information to be added and I still have to add references and probably change the wording of sections slightly, but I should hopefully have the basic outline up by tomorrow. Until then, if anyone has ways to improve what I have posted to far please feel free to edit it. HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 17:50, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Also I've been looking at the Wikipedia page and noticed there is a section about retired licenses no longer offered under Creative Commons. Would it be worthwhile researching that under this section or do you think it should come under a seperate one? HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 16:26, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes that would be very useful! It could come after all the valid licences, own section would make a better overview I'd say. Also you mentioned above you needed links. Here is one that I found particularly useful : http://sarafhawkins.com/creative-commons-licenses-explained-plain-english/?utm_source=www.inbound.org Flobr (discuss • contribs) 08:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay great I'll start working on that and have an outline up in the next few days. I'll definitely check out that link too, thanks Flo! HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 11:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I've been working on the retired licenses, and I've been focused on why they were removed, as opposed to what their original purpose was as I don't feel this is as relevant anymore. What do you all think? HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 20:46, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Projects
It appears in this area of the wikibook that should we want to delve into the various areas we will be looking at covering the various groups (of which there are many) that affiliate with CC. I started making some brief synopses of each group when i realized it may be unnecessary. You think it would be worth picking a choice few or just linking the list? Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 21:05, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it would be good to just cover a select few? AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs)

Public Policy
I've started to write up this section. I'll post it in the next day or so. I hope I'm not stepping on any toes. I didn't see any mention of anyone specifically working on Public Policy. Thanks! Blairalice (discuss • contribs) 20:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Heya, how's your work on this bit going? I was hoping to add some stuff but I wanted to wait in case I've wrote similar things to you :) SanzBoar (discuss • contribs) 21:03, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/ Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 15:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I just added some details to the OGL, I hope it's fine:) Austinechan (discuss • contribs) 16:50, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Some broken links in here that i fixed. Honestly, this set up is hellish for linking you to a non-existent wikibook page when you really want to link to a wikipedia page.Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 16:58, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Culture
I guess the main thing you can say for culture when it comes to CC is that they want to primarily create a shared culture between those who are under their brand, or "the commons". Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 23:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

This includes things like Wikipedia, Google, Flickr and others who can share information to each other faster than ever. Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 10:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

There's certain aspects to culture for Creative Commons. There's User-generated culture, where they work with individuals in culture such as writers and filmmakers, and there's Institutional Culture, where they work with institutes like museums and libraries. Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 13:42, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Creative Commons also discusses their deal with the band Nine Inch Nails and how they allowed the band to act more freely than any usual record label would allow, as an experiment. Personally I have no idea what to think about this. It's good that they're letting the band have more freedom but at the same time aren't they just risking the chance of making a profit? Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 15:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Creative Commons seems to have enabled many artists and musicians to distribute their work while still getting an element of income, which is rather rare especially today when digital technology allows things to be stolen, copyrighted and downloaded illegally. Things on Wikipedia, Google and Youtube has the access for delivering free information but they do seem to take advantage of advertising for artists. AlanLegs (discuss • contribs) 16:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Well yeah you could say that they do take advantage of advertising. But they do give the artists more range to work with. Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 18:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Education
I've just moved and edited the original info I posted under the 'Education' heading lower down in the discussion page into the Wikibook. Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 22:40, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

heya, was gonna add a wee bit about the Polish digital school, thought it would be a good example as it is a case study by OPN SanzBoar (discuss • contribs) 13:58, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I made a few alterations here as this section had 'creative Commons' often shortened to CC, which was inconsistent with the rest of this page. I think there was also a few minor grammatical errors which I tweaked. Jennyscott1701 (discuss • contribs) 15:21, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Ah right I didn't spot that, I must have seen it on the discussions page and carried it on without realising! Thanks. I was a little stuck for additional content so the input of the Polish Digital School sounds good! Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 01:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Science
I'll start to tackle this area, which, like education, appears to be an ongoing project as opposed to licencing as such. It's not something I know a lot about but certainly seems interesting. Here's the basic info that I've found - - I'll take some time to compile it in the next few days and look further afield for some more. Please feel free to tell me if I have gone off in a tangent at any point. Also something that concerns me is the term 'Participation' in this section, as it does appear to be a more restricted area. Post your thoughts if you have any on the subject. Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 22:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

What does participation actually involve? it seems like a very broad subject to me and i'm not sure where to start AmyMcG95 (discuss • contribs) 23:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

I understand it as in: if you use something which uses CC you need to use the exact same license. And that many CC licenses promote the participation with the original work. I could not find anything specific on this topic. So it's only a thought without any 'reference/sources'! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 07:53, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * That's great! I had considered it similarly but it's good to hear someone else's input. I'll be sure to have a well referenced section! Thanks Flobr! 2.217.248.210 (discuss) 14:51, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I added some info on Creative Commons' stance on the rise of 3D printing, and some more interesting stuff that pertains to the whole participation and content sharing deal. Feel free to critique it/correct it where I've been vague or wrong. FinnWstone (discuss • contribs) 16:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey Finn! So yeah, great addition. I do have a couple wee edits to make, I hope you don't mind. Ultimately it just looks a little unsure language wise. Does that seem fair? Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 10:45, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Flickr
I posted the text about Flickr and the lawsuit with CC. I'm having difficulty with uploading this image https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flickr_Licenses_edit.svg. Once I've found out how to do so I'll post it with a little caption! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 07:53, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

I was wondering could flickr be put as a sub heading under the broader heading of photography? Joelmohawk (discuss • contribs) 12:28, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that's a good idea! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 17:01, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Education
Regarding Creative Common's educational involvement, CC are ultimately responsible for minimising restrictive copyright laws and incompatible technologies that may limit access to educational resources. Their main aim is to support open educational resources (OER) and the benefits associated with these, and CC do this by ensuring that when educational resources are digitised and fully licensed by CC, they are therefore allowed to be shared and customised for free. The availability of textbooks, courses and lesson plans is there for users such as students, teachers, universities and publishers, making learning experiences more flexible and adaptable.

The CC concerns itself with a number of education-based programmes, including those who have originated all over the world. A number of these include:


 * OER Africa
 * CK-12 Foundation
 * Connexions
 * Open Courseware
 * OER Commons
 * Peer 2 Peer University (P2PU)
 * Curriki
 * Khan Academy

I'll maybe focus on each of these - but briefly, only in relation to CC of course. I've also found some articles that I'll introduce to this section. Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 21:20, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I think CC link a bunch of different affiliated groups on each of the project pages, there is 8 on the science and education and i think culture too, I think private policy has a little less. Should we be making synopses for each? Cause that will be a huge amount of data that doesn't really tell us much about creative commons. Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 12:04, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I saw the heading for 'Education' under projects - should I transfer this information there? Also, could you please expand on that if you don't mind? What do you think I should do with the info I've gathered? Ajp00009 (discuss • contribs) 21:35, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Video Games
About video games, I'm not sure where to place this catagory. Would it be placed among the platforms catagory or with the sections about music, journalism, etc? A lot of it is related to YouTube so maybe putting it close to the YouTube section?

CC in video games seems to be mostly about developers/publishers of video games and YouTubers (more specifically "Let's Play" videos). It's debatable whether the creator should have a share of the profit that Youtubers make, even though Youtubers are adding their own content in order to satisfy their audience. I thought about mentioning the list of CC licensed video games, and that the most popular games that are being played on Youtube are not on that list. But that those videos are actually giving these games free exposure. Eg. Minecraft - it was a small indie game that is now a million dollar buissness. And then mention Nintendo's Creator Program and EA games licence agreement, that they only allow Youtubers to play certain games and show certain photages. Some well known Youtubers have commented on this like PewDiePie and TotalBisquit. There was also some controvercy about the game Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor, how they try to pay critics to write a positive review.

Not sure yet if all of this is relative to CC or if it's slightly off topic and that it focuses more on games media... Aggie92 (discuss • contribs) 16:18, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I think that the let's play side of video games and the way that people make money off of fan-made merch ie t-shirts, mugs, etc. would be worth mentioning, at least? Keighterade (discuss • contribs) 12:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

To clarify: at least the way in which the original copyright holders allow fan usage of their materials (provided they don't go through their own copyright holder. We looked at Vine for instance and they use their own private copyright holder so I'd just make sure that the particular games you're looking at use creative commons at least somewhere in there and not a private agent). Keighterade (discuss • contribs) 12:39, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Commons
As Greg suggested, we should also focus on this key word. I found this link http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/44351 So I take it that commons can refer  to several things. Here are the two that I found out/came up with 1) profit one could gain through using these types of licenses 2) free education (one has free access to books, e-journals etc.)

What are your thoughts on this? Flobr (discuss • contribs) 08:43, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I found a definition of digital commons (http://www.onlinecreation.info/digital-commons) which seems like it could be useful too. It would probably be a good idea to create another section on the book specific to the idea of commons, as a kind of introduction before we go onto the deeper explanations of creative commons as a whole. HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 11:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Definitely important as the 'commons' aspect of creative commons relates directly to user participation via ideas created on the internet. As the definition that Hannah found says, "the community of people building them [resources] can intervene in the governing of their interaction processes and of their shared resources." We should expand on that, I think. Because creative commons allows communities to work together with each other through the original founder of the idea AND through third parties, it gives communities the ability to grow and expand upon what was originally created. Keighterade (discuss • contribs) 12:35, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I found this link too http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/commons_as_ideas if it's reliable? We should definitely expand on it because the quote in the previous link makes it clear that it is extremely relevant to the topic, and from the links we have so far it seems like there is a lot to go from to develop it into a stronger point for the book. HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * More specifically, it is the 'Digital Revolution' section of the above link that seems beneficial to our research :) HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 14:39, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I've started a section on Commons in the book but I'm not sure about the placement and things. Obviously it needs expanded on a lot more than what I have there, so anyone is welcome to add details on what they find relevant. I'll come back to it later or tomorrow to see what else I can add to it HannahDixon2015 (discuss • contribs) 15:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

It looks good. Thank you Hannah! Flobr (discuss • contribs) 10:58, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

This looks great! i hope no one minds, I edited one of the titles a little. It reads better, i feel, as "Background to Commons" Theotherconor (discuss • contribs) 16:18, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Creative Participation
Hey guys!

I've done a whole lot on Creative Participation now, since you guys seem to have the Creative Commons part of our wikibook more than covered! Where do you reckon should I put content now though, in terms of the organisation? Technically its not a part of Creative Commons, so should I start a subsection or make it a completely new section equivalent to Creative Commons? Melissathegerman (discuss • contribs) 23:00, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Maybe put it as it's own thing. Since it's seperate from CC and is it's own thing. Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 23:13, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

And by own thing I mean it's own section of the wikibook. It's still an interesting theory to mention Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 23:20, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay I just read your passage. You're really clear in about what you're talking about. Looking more into the psychological side of things. There is a Grammatical error where you say "information on society is" Get rid of the "is" And you're good. Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 00:29, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I wasn't sure since it has so little to do with creative commons, but if the title is creative commons and participation, i figured the participation part should still be included!Thanks also for making me notice the spelling error :) --Melissathegerman (discuss • contribs) 00:31, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey there! What do you think of my recent changes? Is anything unclear? Also, how do I give something a bold font? --Melissathegerman (discuss • contribs) 12:55, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

also i tried to do like titles but they look super weird and I dont know what i did wrong? --Melissathegerman (discuss • contribs) 12:59, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Nah, you got the point across very well, it was clear and easy to understand. As for Bold text there should be a B at the top of the edit page. And for titles I have no idea, Sorry :/ Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 13:05, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Conor! --Melissathegerman (discuss • contribs) 13:18, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay I looked at the Participation paradox part. Good stuff, very thorough and a great link to CC. But one part you say "If all participants were to act rationally and were voting, the entire system would crash, as democracy cannot function without people voting." I'm just wondering if you meant if people weren't voting? Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 14:08, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

You're absolutely correct! I was going to write "were to stop voting" but I seem to have forgotten a few words.--Melissathegerman (discuss • contribs) 14:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Cool :) Besides that it's a great read! Bluehood 1 (discuss • contribs) 14:12, 13 March 2015 (UTC)