Talk:Permaculture Design

I am currently working to complete this book by adapting Bill Mollison's Permaculture: A Designers' Manual, but will in time (hopefully by February of next year) strive to include other permaculture books It will be a slow process that may include layout/organizational re-working and some methodology experimentation. I will be sure to preserve any existing contributions though their context may change.

My conception of this book is that it will serve more as a fundamental theory book, rather than an information and data reference book, as I think less bookish formats are more appropriate for such a format. There is a permaculture.info wiki that may be able to serve as a permaculture specific information reference database, alternatively, if a wikidatabase can be developed it could also serve the purpose. Also I hope this book can serve as an effective educational material, perhaps for a future Wikiversity course. As such I will strive to apply presentation techniques that facilitate learning and proper mental digestion (such as critical thinking steps).

Please offer any suggestions, ideas or criticisms in the name of an effective Permaculture Design Wikibook. --Supaiku (talk) 18:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

There was a portion about "research project" and "research notes" at the beginning of the fundamentals page which I thought didn't make much sense in that particular place, however I do think it's a good idea to include research notes and experiences in this book, so I have made a section specifically for such material, see the book's ToC --Supaiku (talk) 06:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I wrote a chapter and a half for you guys, hope it helps! This is definitely a worthwhile project. --Coalcreekranch


 * Hello Supaiku and Coalcreekranch, thanks so much for joining this project. I really just wanted to let you know that I'm still around, and keen to keep working on this project from time to time. It was started in 2008 as a space for potential project work that might have been assigned to Permaculture Design students taking the Otago Polytechnic course that is documented on Wikieducator: http://wikieducator.org/Permaculture_design


 * I don't work at Otago Poly anymore, and was not able to establish a formal link between that course and this Wikibook before I left. Perhaps we could watch that course wiki and help them with their documentation, and ask Hortykim to assign homework in writing a chapter here on the Wikibook..


 * Either way, I'm sure ths book will slowly develop over time. Thanks for joining in.leighblackall (discuss • contribs) 20:06, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm wondering what to do. supaiku your work in restructuring has me a little confused, only in that I'm trying to find old content which I valued. For example, the Holgrem derived principles that were originally in this book. It seems the new chapter on Fundamentals is intended to replace that? While I find that new chapter interesting, I'm not sure personally if it is as clear as the Holgrem derived principles structure. I found them in the history, by returning to the October 2010 version I had developed: http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Permaculture_Design&oldid=1946741


 * comparing that version to the one we have now, I think we should return to it, and try and incorporate what you and Coalcreekranch have added. As it is now, this front page has a lot of empty pages, and has done since 2010. That's pretty unfortunate only in that work into that proposed content list has not progressed. Perhaps instead, we can discuss new content structures here, and add them to the main page when they are ready to be developed?


 * so what I'll try and do is return to the October 2010 version, but retain links to the new chapters you have developed. I hope I get this right... leighblackall (discuss • contribs) 20:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)