Talk:Outdoor Survival

Time to strike
Hi, my name's Chris; I'm a certified survival instructor. I've been talking with the folks at 'Pedia and they directed me here. As of now, this 'book has some good, some bad, (just like anything) but I think we can turn it into a PB'ing treatise. Right now, unfortunately, I have work to do - but I'll be back to start pouring info in. First I gotta get that work done and then organise my thoughts - which could take awhile, ha ha. 07:09, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) I'm not accounted for here; on Wikipedia I'm user Esseye

hi i don't know who started this book but i just added a few things hope you don't mind.

yeah, good work you should change the namespaces

not wikibooks.org/wiki/food

wikibooks.org/wiki/outdoor_survival_food

Should the whole book be in the form of disconnected statements and ideas? I think having things in point form, while good for teaching, may not be the best format for a book.
 * In a wikibook you might have both: Have a quick checklist, and a more elaborate explanatory section. Go ahead and fill the sections! --Andreas 11:41, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Completeness?
I think the completeness statements on this are very exaggerated. There is a hell of a lot more information to be put into sections with even 3/4 of a marking. For example techniques to find water in different environments. Bandraoi 13:57, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Area of coverage
Hi. I'm just passing through, but since you're just starting out, I'd like to suggest making an effort to talk about survival in a variety of different environments, or being explicit that you're only talking about a few. There are a lot of places where your first priority would be to keep cool, not to keep warm. 70.17.206.197 04:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Mergers
I was looking around at all the different books on Outdoor/Wilderness Survival and thought that they should all be combined together into one big book. This would provide easier access to the information with less hassle. As I find more rouge article I will either merge them or if they are more then a stub will put up a merge suggestion. I am new to WikiBooks and if any one has any feedback for me it would be appriciated. Mason L. 13:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. Guide to Wilderness Survival is very small and has not had any real edits for over a year. Redfalcon, the user who created it hasn't done any edits on Wikibooks since 2005. Transwiki:How to light a fire is an orphaned page, and this book could probably give it a good home. However, First Aid/Wilderness First Aid Probably doesn't need to be merged, it goes well with the wikibook it's in, and this wikibook already has a big page on First Aid. But for Guide to Wilderness Survival, I say: just start merging it. - Teaandcrumpets 20:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, it looks to me like the only thing we need from Guide to Wilderness Survival is the water page. The rest of the pages have little or no information. In fact, I would consider that book for deletion, as the original author seems to have no interest in it. - Teaandcrumpets 21:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Replacement/revamping of entire book
I think this whole book should be replaced or merged with US Army Field Manual 21-76. The Field Manual is in the public domain, is already complete, and is much more comprehensive than whatever is here already. Siddharth Patil (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge with When It Hits the Fan
The content of this stub of a project will be at home there, and reduce duplication of content. Since this book has been without edits for a long time it would benefit from the activity on the new location. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 18:41, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * On 28 October 2011‎ Thenub314 removed the merge tag with the comment "different sort of scope" and on the target project only to as "disagree with merger". I have contacted the Wikibookian directly and requested participation in this discussion.


 * In regards to the argument of "different sort of scope" of the projects I agree that the scope implied on the Outdoor Survival project title is not the same, but complementary to the objective of "When It Hits the Fan". It also doesn't address the problem of Outdoor Survival being an abandoned stub that is replicating other existing projects, in any case I will extend the timing to execute the merge in case this is pursued or any other point is raised. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 02:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

(copying from my discussion page) Outdoor survival is a strictly more general subject then the subject of "When it hits the fan", and so their scope and audience is rather different. It makes sense to study outdoor survival if you intend to spend lots time in the woods (say hiking the whole Appalachian trail) but your not particularly concerned about difficult survival situations. As I understand when it hit the fan it discusses (local) apocalyptic situations which one intends to survive. I would agree that understanding that some understanding of surviving outdoors may help in some of these situations, and not in others. To give an example of potentially different audiences, boy scouts are more likely to be interested in outdoor survival to meet the requirements of a badge, but be less interested in When it hits the fan. If we decided to merge this because it is not being developed further, may I suggest Backpack Camping and Woodland Survival might be a more natural fit. Thenub314 (talk) 23:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Is there any objection still pending ? The content merge will not be destructive, if anyone later wants to pursue the specific subject they can. --Panic (discuss • contribs) 23:00, 16 January 2016 (UTC)