Talk:Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter/Characters/Lord Voldemort

Spoilers
A big part of the gimmick in Chamber of Secrets is that Tom Marvolo Riddle turns out to be Lord Voldemort. Because of that, I feel it is best to move that revelation into the protected area. Chazz 19:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * To reinforce this, I should point out that T. Riddle's being Voldemort is a spoiler for CoS, and so is why Riddle has a separate page from Voldemort. Chazz (talk) 06:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

A reminder to editors
The framework lays out where the various spoiler entries are. There should be at least some of the entry for a character that can be read without spoilers, which means that the overview, the only such section, must perforce be very limited in what it tells us.

A recent editor added a bunch of stuff to the overview, then felt he had to put a spoiler warning in front of it. I reverted him, and moved his information down to the analysis area where it more properly belongs, given its spoiler nature. Chazz (talk) 00:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Voldemort a Nazi?
Relevance of the last paragraph is questionable, especially since little reference is made to real-world 'Muggle' politics or history in the book series. 84.0.217.93 01:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The thing is that to a certain sort of psychopath, the Nazi "solution" seems like an ideal way to strengthen a race, by "purifying" it. Voldemort is portrayed as being that sort of individual. Granted that there is no mention of it in the series, it is still the sort of idea that would appeal to young Tom, and actually does seem to mirror his actions afterwards. Chazz (talk) 23:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I will additionally mention that in an interview, Rowling did mention that the defeat by Dumbledore of the black magician Grindelwald had some bearing on the end of the second world war. So events in the Muggle world may be downplayed in the Wizarding world, but the wizards are not unaffected by what happens to us non-magical folk. Chazz (talk) 21:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, well the reason I got rid of this section was that Riddle only 11 when WWII started and 23 when it ended, at which time, he was working at Borgin's And Burke's; he would have been too engrossed looking for new Horcruxes and letting the Ministry Of Magic (I hate the word "For") take care of Grindelwald. If Grindelwald has a page, I strongly suggest this topic being used on his page; it is irrelevant on Voldemort's page. Apologies--Therequiembellishere 00:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * We sort of have decided that Riddle was born in the 1926/27 timeframe, which would make him 12 and in his second year at Hogwarts when hostilities broke out, and probably 18 or so on V-E day. I do not believe, and have never suggested, that Tom was in the armed forces of either England or Germany; I agree that he was too young. But we see in HBP that he is already strongly prejudiced against Muggles, to the point of (in, probably, 1944 or so) killing his own father because he happens to be a Muggle. To someone who already harbours that sort of prejudice, to that extreme an extent, the ideas of the National Socialist party would resonate extremely strongly; and I can't help thinking that he was already so far biased in that direction that he would have incorporated the "final solution to the Muggle problem" in his thinking, and have been acting accordingly ever since. In that time frame, it is not a matter of actions but of impressions. And I don't think we know enough about Grindelwald to have a page about him; we have one line on a Famous Wizards card and a throwaway comment in an interview, and that's it. So even if we made such a page, there wouldn't be enough of a hook to hang it on there. Chazz (talk) 08:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, he loves the idea of killing Muggles, but to be a Nazi, he'd have had to work with Muggles; something he see as repulsive. Therequiembellishere 16:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems I am being misunderstood. Voldemort is not a Nazi. He never was. He has no hate on for Jewish people or Gypsies. What he sees is a concept: "some people are naturally better than others, so to improve the species, wipe out the inferiors." To some people, this sort of "solution" has an appealing simplicity. To one as twisted as Voldemort, and as powerful, it can seem like the ideal answer. It is this underlying philosophy, rather than the specific trappings of the Nazi party, that would attract Voldemort. Chazz (talk) 21:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * killing his own father might be because he happens to be a Muggle or because his father abandond him and his mother before tom was born, but to get an apporpret reasponce to that we would have to understand his (voldemorts) mind which is some only -may be even not- that J.K Rowling could do -- Elizabeth113 (discuss) 22:27, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * True, it likely was not simply because he was a Muggle. But that was certainly a large part of it -- he was a Muggle. and he denied Tom Jr. what he saw as his birthright -- domination of the world. But a large part of it must have been because Riddle Sr. is a Muggle and therefore beneath contempt... and Tom Jr. would have hated the fact that Riddle Sr. being a Muggle made him a half-breed. We know already that Tom hated his own name... Chazz (talk) 01:11, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Spellcheck
Just started using Firefox 2.0, and I find it amusing that the suggestion its spellchecker makes for Voldemort is "demoralizer"... Chazz (talk) 23:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Recent edits by an IP editor
First, I'm going to suggest to this editor, and to any editor using an IP address, that they get an account. It's free, and it means all your edits are assigned to you, and it means there is a place for have conversations.

Second, I'm going to suggest that the "fanboy" tone is inappropriate for a textbook, which is what this is.

I'll stop there for a moment while I gather some thoughts together. Chazz (talk) 08:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay. One of the big things about any good book is ambiguity - not everything gets explained, some things are left up to the reader to determine. The origin of the flight spell, and the origin of the jewelry curse, are just two of those in this series; and for my part I think it's a good thing to pick out the ambiguity without coming down hard on one side or another. Let the reader make up their own mind.


 * Now. Specifically on the flight spell. Charming one's clothes to fly is technically no more difficult than charming a broom, a motorcycle, a car, or a carpet to fly; if that is how it was done, it would honestly not be great magic at all. And frankly I wouldn't like to try that; the risk that your levitated clothes could shift and strangle you is far too high, in my opinion. The key point to Levicorpus is that it lifts only the body, leaving the clothes to hang; this makes it quite clear that it's the body that is being lifted. If Snape originated that charm, it is possible that it was the basis for the personal flight charm; that doesn't mean that Snape was able to make that jump, it could have been Voldemort who changed it from simply hanging in air to flight.


 * Other topics for discussion may come up as we edit; this is probably the best place for them, unless they're more wide ranging. Chazz (talk) 08:11, 15 August 2019 (UTC)