Talk:Modern Greek/Reading Exercises/Reading 04

=question about αρέσω=

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Some comments on your questions --83.146.62.97 02:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I've seen all three of the following in books or in Google searches:


 * Aρέσω το αυτοκίνητο. I like the car.
 * This is plain wrong!
 * 83.146.62.97 02:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Με αρέσει το αυτοκίνητο. I like the car. (lit, "The car pleases me.")
 * This is regional variation (Nothern Greece, especially Salonica)
 * 83.146.62.97 02:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Μου αρέσει το αυτοκίνητο.
 * This is the correct one!
 * 83.146.62.97 02:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Are all three of these correct? Do they all mean the same thing? Am I confused? In the third example, why would the genitive be used?--Bcrowell 18:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * ''No, only the third is correct.


 * It is not μου, it is μού. When μού is accented, it means "to me" "σε μένα". When it is not accented it means "of me".


 * Here is an example in order to differentiate:


 * Μού έδωσε ένα αυτοκίνητο και τώρα το αυτοκίνητο είναι δικό μου.


 * He gave me a car and now the car is mine''


 * 83.146.62.97 02:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The genitive is in reallity a dative, that is used mostly with pronouns:


 * ''I would say the dative (which is not used anymore) means "to/at something/someone", while the genitive means "of something/someone". It's like "give" and "take".


 * ''Example:


 * Δόξα τω Θεώ = Glory to God (dative)
 * Δόξα του Θεού = Glory of God (genitive)''
 * 83.146.62.97 02:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Εφτά τραγούδια θα σου πω
 * γιά να διαλέξεις το σκοπό:
 * που θα μου πεις
 * γιά να σου πω το "σ'αγαπώ"
 * (Μιχάλης Κακογιάννης, music by Μάνος Χατζιδάκις)

Lyricist: Μιχάλης Κακογιάννης


 * Έλα μέσα, Βασίλη, έλα και συ, παιδί, είπε του Αποστόλη. Απο πού έρχεστε;
 * (From: Πηνελόπη Σ. Δέλτα, Στα μυστικά του Βάλτου)

=formatting, cognates= Hi 83.146.62.97 - I didn't do a very good job of explaining in the text what I meant by stuff like ο λογαριασμός the bill (lit. the account, ="logarithm"). What I was trying to indicate with the equals signs was that the word was cognate with the English word after the equals sign. I've changed all the = to →, which I hope will lead to less confusion. I'll also add a note to the text the first time the → appears. The English word logarithm does come from the same roots as λογαριασμός (logos+arithmos).--Bcrowell 04:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Bcrowell λογαριασμός does not derive from λογος + αριθμός. The word that derives from these two words is λογάριθμος (which indeed is logarithm). It is a false cognate. --83.146.62.97 05:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Oops! Sorry about that. It was my favorite false cognate, too :-) --Bcrowell 05:37, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * No worries, keep up the good work! You pave the road to all of us :-) --83.146.62.97 05:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

=fruit= Can someone help me understand the difference between ο καρπός and το φρούτο? A Greek speaker wrote this:
 * ο καρπός (also το φρούτο in the general sense of fruits, not as products of trees)

Is το φρούτο more general than ο καρπός? Is an orange both a φρούτο and a καρπός? I deleted the explanation from the list, because it was making the format of the table hard to read by separating the two columns from each other by a wide space. Maybe we could have a note below the vocabulary list about this?--Bcrowell 03:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * The word καρπός is used only to indicate something that derives from something else therefore "Το μήλο είναι ο καρπός της μηλιάς" ("The apple is the fruit of the appletree"). There is also the famous religious phrase "Ο καρπός της κοιλίας της" ("The fruit of her womb").


 * But if we just want to categorize the apple we say "Το μήλο είναι φρούτο" ("The apple is a fruit"). For our purpose the word φρούτο is the correct one.--83.146.62.97 05:45, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

=Socrates drank the conium= Just to say that the name of the band was not translated to that in English, it WAS that. They had an English name, this is why I put it there. See http://www.athensguide.com/socrates/

Verb forms
A table of verb forms is not complete without the present of the perfective aspect. Note that the imperfect is mostly formed regularly, whereas the derivation of the ; from the perfective present often shows slight variations: πέρνω - έπερνα να πάρω - πήρα

One exception is έχω that has no aorist stem but an irregular imperfect είχα. Similar for είμαι. Some verbs that have dropped an initial vowel have irregular augments in the imperfect, like ήθελα, ήξερα. Andreas 02:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

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