Talk:Modern Greek/Reading Exercises/Reading 02

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I've tried to adapt an article from the Greek Wikipedia, Μάχη των Θερμοπυλών, simplifying the vocabulary and structure. I've probably mangled it pretty badly. Could anyone take a look and try to correct my mistakes? Thanks! --Bcrowell 06:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah! Thanks for cleaning up my horrible composition! I've added a final paragraph explaining the outcome of the battle, and it would be great if you could do what's necessary to that as well.--Bcrowell 01:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok done. Is this from the English wikipedia? --83.146.62.97 03:19, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Some of the facts are from the English wikipedia, but none of the Greek is a paraphrase of the words in the English article, so I don't think it's necessary to credit that article the way we did with the Greek one.--Bcrowell 20:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Bcrowell you're doing a fantastic job with the formatting! Thank you!--83.146.62.97 03:30, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's really working out well to have both of us working on this in parallel. I hope you're having as much fun as I am!--Bcrowell 20:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

βάλλω
Bcrowell: Unfortunately the word βάλλω is not used anymore in Greek, except at the military, where it means "shoot" and not "throw" (e.g. βάλλουν από απόσταση, they shoot from a distance. We use ρίχνω in order to say throw (e.g. ρίχνω ακόντιο, throw a javelin - see note) and also πετάω (normally to fly) to mean "throw away" (e.g. πετάω τα παλιά μου πράγματα, I throw away my old stuff). I did not edit it though because I liked the etymology bit you used at εισ+βάλλω. Either we keep them both or we have to remove the etymology.

Actually when someone throws "ρίχνει" a javelin very far, we use "πέταξε" instead, e.g."πέταξε το ακόντιο στα 90 μέτρα". --83.146.62.97 03:27, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks! OK, I'll try to fix all that. I've been trying to introduce vocabulary as early on as possible, so I think I'll put all those verbs in an earlier section.--Bcrowell 20:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The modern form is βάζω, να βάλω is the aorist form. Βάζω τα λουλούδια στο βάζο - I put the flowers into the vase. Θα βάλω το καπέλο μου - I will put on my hat. Andreas 23:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Andreas no this is not correct. The future of βάζω is θα βάλω (one lambda) and the subjunctive να βάλω. Βάζω and βάλλω are not related at all, even if βάλω and βάλλω have a similar orthography (I guess this is why you thought they are related). --83.146.62.97 23:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You are right, the etymology is < βιβάζω, source Source: Ν. Π. Ανδριώτη, Ετυμολογικό λεξικό της κοινής νεοελληνικής, Θεσσαλονίκη 1967. I still think that βάλω < βάλλω, although Andriotis does not have aorist stems.  Andreas 23:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

discussion on book's main page
Hi Andreas and 83.146.62.97 -- Do you have the book's main discussion page on your watchlists? I've posted something there. --Bcrowell 23:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Deponent?
The article says "Some verbs only exist in the passive voice," are these like deponent verbs in Latin? i.e. passive in form but active in meaning? Thankyou! Storeye (talk) 05:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Sleep
Me again. the verb αποκοιμαμαι is listed as only ever being passive but one of the examples is Η μητέρα αποκοιμίζει το μωρό. Could someone please explain this to me? Storeye (talk) 06:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)