Talk:Modern Greek/Lesson 2x

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The normal translation of I want to write is θέλω να γράψω. I think that the grammatical aspects should be learned together with the subordinate cluases. In general, there are many mistakes in this book. Before giving an example, ask a native speaker or look the sentence up in Google if it is really used that way. 70.52.2.61 20:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the correction! I've been soliciting help from native speakers, and am grateful for your work! --Bcrowell 17:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

=cases= I've changed the terminology for the cases back from nom/gen/acc/voc to subj/gen/obj/voc. I would like to minimize the number of new grammatical terms that the reader has to learn, and "subject" and "object" will already be familiar from English grammar. I've also rearranged things a little so that the genitive isn't presented until lesson 3, and the vocative until lesson 4. Again, the idea is to avoid overwhelming the reader.--Bcrowell 17:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

=about over-simplification= I very much appreciate your effort (you started the whole thing in the first place), but I still cannot understand your over-simplification approach. The cases should be always referred to with their proper names.

It's one thing to slowly introduce Greek and another thing to slowly introduce Grammar itself!

Now in terms of the order of the chapters, perhaps we should reconsider it all along. Here is a link that I find very useful, from the German-Hellenic School of Greece (it is in Greek):

http://www3.ellinogermaniki.gr/artemisTool/grammar/

In terms of a native speaker pronunciation, although I'm a native speaker myself, there is some excellent work already done in Φιλογλωσσία

http://www.xanthi.ilsp.gr/filog/ch1/alphabet/alphabet.asp

In general their whole course material is excellent and we can take an example from there about the structure of these lessons.

http://www.xanthi.ilsp.gr/filog/

83.146.62.97 19:55, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Speed
Your explanations are good, but I think you are trying to teach too much in one lesson. I have studied Greek for almost one year at university now, I can manage everyday situations without spending a lot of time thinking of words and yet I still don't know some of the grammar concepts or vocabulary introduced in this lesson - which is supposed to be for people who have only done one lesson of Greek so far?? I believe the amount of things you introduce in one lesson force students to spend too much time on one lesson. They will feel like they never progress, they will get frustrated and stop learning Greek. Learning a language in self-study isn't easy in any case, but this is bound to discourage even avid language learners. Perhaps you might want to have a look at a new approach in language courses that I developed and that I'd now like to introduce to Wikibook creators: see Bite-sized language lessons. You may also want to read the Wikibook on language-course creation. This is not to diminish the work you have obviously put in this, I just think that precisely because of the effort involved, you should make sure that learners can get the most out of these lessons. Junesun 14:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Gender
The ος ending is described for masculine nouns, which helps us recognize masculine nouns. However the same is not done for feminine and neutral. That would be appreciated.

Modern pronunciation
I was taught that in the modern language the characters μ, and ν were pronounced "mi" and "ni" (etc. for other letters), not "mu" and "nu" as seems to be implied on this page. Am I missing something here? --Fishpi (talk) 18:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)