Talk:Micronations/Starting your own micronation/Independence

stop breaking this page!
 * Refer to your talk page. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that the information that was deleted should be restored and revised instead.
 * pinging QU here as he was the first one to revert, so it would be best if he responded. Also, please sign your comments with a ~ . It makes discussions easier to read and follow up on. —Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 18:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * While Wikibooks is a little more flexible than Wikipedia, we do have principles (arrived at by long use) of avoiding original research and maintaining neutrality. We also have a policy on not edit warring. My original edit was a combination of a content related change (e.g., modifying the jocular use of "you" and inaccurate depiction of the convention from "According to the 1933 Montevideo convention if you own territory, have a government, a constant population, and the ability to enter into relations with other states you're classed as a state according to international law." to the more formal, and more accurate "According to the 1933 Montevideo convention if a piece of land has a government, a constant population, and the ability to enter into relations with other states then it is classed as a state according to international law." It also dealt with the repeated switching of the terms "nation" and "state" and stuck with "state" consistently as this is accurate. That's a pure content edit, and by reverting it with a irrelevant edit summary ("keep in mind this is a how To book") you behaved in a way that looked unreasonable. In addition, I had tidied up duplicated text and typos. For example, fixing this "Territorial Sea: 12  The 12 nautical miles" and changing it to remove the weird extra "12". By reverting, you just restored all the typos and reversed the corrections. This is not what editing here is supposed to be like - restoring poor quality text. In fact, the restoration of a bunch of duplicated text, inconsistent language and typos looked close to vandalism and therefore I restored my edit. The third part of my edit was to strike various inaccuracies and personal points of view that have no basis in fact. For example:
 * "The closest country is the biggest hurdle. They'll probably think that since they have more, and bigger, weapons than you, that means they can own your island." - not factual and hardly neutral.
 * "nations don't like the idea of new nations sprouting up all over. Not only does it make world politics more confusing, it's not in their interest to recognize new nations, as a new nation would have equivalent rights to these existing nations." - as above. Just made up with no factual basis.
 * and the quite frankly baffling "Some countries may use this as an excuse to attack you without warning, claiming that your declaration of independence is an act of piracy."
 * So to summarise, this is supposed to be a textbook, avoiding original research and not packed full of typos. My first edit was an attempt to improve it. My subsequent revert was in response to "ownership" type behaviour that bordered on vandalism by removing corrections and clarifications to restore a poor quality piece of text without reasonable explanation. You will note that I did not take any administrative action. My revert was in response to the restoration of bad quality content QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 20:01, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree that the word "you" should be changed, in the case of the 1933 Montevideo convention the original document uses the word "you" in translation, other than that I agree, my problem was the fact that the information was completely deleted instead of being revised to be more neutral68.13.29.96 (discuss) 20:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, but think about what you did - you completely deleted my changes, rather than revising them. Let's just agree not to revert each other, and we're all good - thanks. QuiteUnusual (discuss • contribs) 22:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree 68.13.29.96 (discuss) 22:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC)