Talk:Micronations/Starting your own micronation

Is there a way to rename this page ? 68.13.29.96 (discuss) 17:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You need an account and be autoconfirmed (4 days old) to do that. Alternatively another user can move (rename) it on your behalf. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:26, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

ok can this page be renamed "the start of a micronation" to make it more neutral? 68.13.29.96 (discuss) 17:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Would like to see consensus from other users before making this change, considering the number of subpages that would be affected. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 17:46, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Discussion about WB:OR
I do not think the WB:OR redirect was necessary 68.13.29.96 (discuss) 21:08, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * for reference. Leaderboard (discuss • contribs) 21:38, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * @68.13.29.96: I'm sorry but at the discussion at Requests_for_deletion there was strong consensus that at least some of the content is problematic. There was basically a choice: should the book be deleted, or should the problematic material be removed? Now I've removed the material the book so it can conform with our policies. WB:OR is a fundamental policy here that can't be ignored. But if you can show me that you have adequate references for the content then this can reversed. But note that a major part of OR is that it disallows intellectual synthesis of material, you need to reference direct sources on micronations. This is explained in much more detail at w:Wikipedia:No original research, as Wikipedia also has this principle. Note that Wikiversity might be better suited for this content. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 22:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

you are correct that most of the pages did not have proper references and should have been deleted. can the pages on creating and island be restored? these pages contained detailed, neutral, information with substantial references.68.13.29.96 (discuss) 23:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Some of the pages did have references. But you can't just have references about island construction. You need to have references over island construction for the creation of micronations. Otherwise it doesn't conform to synthesis, which is "any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources.". See w:WP:SYN which might help you understand this. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 23:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

I do not recall any of the pages making conclusions about creating islands for the creation of micronations because this would violate the information neutrality but if the pages are restored I will attempt to correct this error.68.13.29.96 (discuss) 00:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Well one solution would have island creation as a separate book. i could probably help you get going in this regard. I don't believe this would violate OR since islands are created all the time. So it would be a reasonable subject I feel. It would avoid the intellectual synthesis problem that we have here. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 00:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

that is an great idea thanks. 68.13.29.96 (discuss) 00:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It has been recreated at Making an Island. -- Jules (Mrjulesd) 09:05, 12 March 2021 (UTC)