Talk:Making an Island

This is an appropriate wikibook. There is at least one book that is/was in print that covered the idea of island construction in fair detail. The Millennial Project: Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps by Marshall T. Savage

There's alredy a lot of text here, i understand how someone may think that but people have actually done this before, and I'm about to put up a list of reasons for doing it. --V2os 19:28, 26 July 2005 (UTC) Also this doesn't seem to be covered by speedy deletion as no meaningful content in wikibooks deletion policy is typing giberish like this: "kjasjdfh"

What would really stop this is if someone would start making their own island using this book right now. Any takers?

delete it no useful content. just one persons stupid ideas 02:27, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure they aren't ideas if they're actually being used and work. Also since i was the only one who put something on the votes for deletion page as "keep" i removed all those notices since it was already removed from the speedy deletion list. Just because you don't like a book or disagree with it doesn't mean you can destroy every copy of it. --V2os 02:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

You could write also something about legal aspects of making your own Island. How to declare independence, estabilish embassies, and not be annexed :)

A.

planning on doing "declaring independence," and the only way i can think of to not be annexed is to literally move the island.

It doesn't seem like anyone would actually use this (anyone ever heard of a private island declaring independence from a well known source?). --Member 18:37, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

There is now an external link about a someone who tried in the 70's to, until it was taken over by another country's military.

Ripley's believe it or not is a credible source and that island is technicaly an independent nation. Declaring independence is optional.

On a different note, would it be wise to add a disclaimer for the wikibook? -anon

There is the little fort in the english channel (sealand iirc) that calls itself an independant state. I think the guy who runs it is called king roy or something similar... (no time to double check as I'm at work) Only reason its not been challenged is because the uk govenment can't be bothered since they know it belongs to the uk.

I added my notes on my site (see external links) feel free to add them to the site, I removed all copyrighted material except one table which has been edited by me and the data in which should he public domain.

I personally don't think that reclaiming land for an island is a particularly viable especially if you are going to potentially want to become independant one day. Since you will be unable to move if a local nation decides to claim you... (see the republic of minerva for an example)

Also a modular floating island (built more along the lines of a ship) is more easily expanded, repaired and adapted to changing conditions. Especially if many islands are built with compatible modules. You could join and split the islands as the needs arise. BTW, feel free to contact me off site if you wish to... mike at technomonk dot com Darkflib 11:41, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

An interesting orphan Wikibook module
I have an interesting Wikibook module that this Wikibook could "adopt" and add to the content of this Wikibook:


 * International law:Public International Law:Law of the Sea

I would recommend that you rename the page to conform to the naming standards of this Wikibook. Mind you, no other Wikibook claims this page, so you are free to use it, or if you don't want to, simply throw a template tag on it, or try to throw it to some other Wikibook. It was added awhile ago by an anonymous user, and no way to know what else they intended. I since found a duplicate page (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea), but it would still be something interesting to add to this Wikibook.--Rob Horning 07:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Erm, this is not an orphan, but a page of the book International law, as is clear from checking Special:Whatlinkshere/International law:Public International Law:Public International Law of the Sea. - Aya T C 17:30, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually, it is. There is another module that has almost identcal content, so I guess it really should be a speedy delete.  I was just trying to "find a home" instead of killing it.  My "What links here" gives only this talk page, so I don't know what the difference would be between my account and yours.  OK, I think I got it:  Try Special:Whatlinkshere/International law:Public International Law:Law of the Sea.  That gives only this talk page as the link.  If you feel it should be a speedy delete, let's kill it.  I just thought that this would be an interesting page to heavily modify to fit this Wikibook, and what better than to take a trash page that already needs to be reworked or deleted and fix it up to talk about International law, oceanic boundaries, and artificial islands.  --Rob Horning 23:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Erk. You're correct. I got confused between:
 * International law:Public International Law:Law of the Sea
 * International law:Public International Law:Public International Law of the Sea
 * Doesn't really matter. Point is, it still follows WB:NP, and thus both should be considered subpages of the pages International law:Public International Law. Just seems the author neglected to link the former of those page from the parent page. The book's a bit of a mess, but I don't think it's appropriate to rename it, since the original author may come back and fix it (or someone else might). The page United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea is also linked from International law:Public International Law, and is probably also considered a part of this book. I it would be better to fix the page International law:Public International Law, and the pages it links to, then link to it from Making an Island. Seems a bit rude to rip a page out of one book and stick it in another. - Aya T C 00:48, 8 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I guess I'll just have to do it to show you what I meant. The two pages, International law:Public International Law:Law of the Sea and United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea are word-for-word identical in content, and the UN page is linked to the international law, so I would say the original page under discussion simply needs to be speedily deleted, with a link from this Wikibook to the UN page.  A fork of the UN page can be heavily modified, but that is for another day.  I'm sorry that I had to make such a mess here.  This has nothing to do with WB:NP but rather Deletion policy.--Rob Horning 12:25, 10 August 2005 (UTC)


 * My goal in life is in fact to create a floating town, I would appreciate it if this wasn't the only source....this information appears outdated and does not take advantage of modern technology. Seems like I need to write a book myself.

Coconuts to be dropped?
Anyone else think that the coconut section on http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Making_an_Island:Communication should be dropped? Since this is a community effort I don't want to go deleting something without at least someone else agreeing...

Darkflib 20:18, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree; this method dosn't sound plausible in any way. --Shdwninja8 05:47, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Pictures
If anyone has a pond or creek in their backyard they could test out some of the construction methods on small scale and send pictures in. some ideas: examples of all the methods, seeing how the island holds up agianst plants of different sizes (grass-trees) what makes the strongest base, etc...

Population
There should be an article on encouraging population on the island, unless there's a good reason not to. I honestly have no idea how I would do that (populate the island), so if anyone sees a way please add it!

Deletion of Making an Island:The Island as a Secret Fortress
I'm not completely sure how many people actually look at this page, but I think this comparatively new module is totally over the top. This is not the Uncyclopedia (perhaps a transwiki to that project?), but rather a serious attempt to try and discuss what issues may be related to island construction and motivations for creating such structures.

If there is somebody who is even a semi-active participant who wants to defend having this page as a part of this Wikibook, I'm willing to listen. In short, this is a "VfD" for this page that I am taking within the participants of this Wikibook. If there is no objection, in a few weeks I'll go ahead and delete this page. --Rob Horning 09:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I would like to defend Making an Island:The Island as a Secret Fortress. This is the logical final step in making an island. --DavesTA 03:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite introduction for Making_an_Island/Declaring_Independence?
On Making_an_Island/Declaring_Independence it reads: "You are only an independent nation when enough current nations agree that you are."

However this is somewhat untrue but can also be regarded as true as well. Simply put, it's misleading. You are only recognized when there's an agreement to recognize you, but you're still an independent nation, and can function as one with or without recognition.

Take the Principality of Sealand for example. Prince Roy occupied an old anti-aircraft see fort, previously owned by the UK. (A little note, the UK no longer owns the fort and is certainly the property of Sealand) Once the Navy learned of Sealand and their use of the old fort, the went to take back the fort. On arrival, Prince Roy fired "warning shots" at the UK Navy. As Prince Roy was also a British citezen, he was summoned before a court with the charges of firing at the navy, however, the court recognized that they had no jurisdictional power over Sealand or the fort, and threw it out of the window.

An even stronger example of the Principality of Sealand is the time a German and two Dutchman went to do business with the Government of Sealand. However, the 3 men took hostage Prince Michael, (Prince Roy's son) and of Sealand. Prince Roy, overcome the 3, rescued his son, retook Sealand, and imprisoned the 3 men as Prisoners Of War (POW). The Germans and the Dutch petitioned to the UK for release of these people, but the UK referred to the previous Court ruling and said it wasn't under their jurisdiction. So the Germans and Dutch sent a diplomat to Sealand to request the POW's release.

The history itself testifies to being an independent nation. Declaring independence is unnecessary.

Seasteading
Do you know this book? It's not exactly the same, but covers many of the same topics as this book. -- 80.136.103.206 (talk) 15:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
I think the page should be moved to Micronations/Starting your own micronation/Making an island, as it would fall more under the jurisdiction of micronations than under anything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whoop whoop pull up (discuss • contribs) 16:54, 17 January 2011