Talk:Living in a Connected World/The Online Real-Life Divide

Hello everyone here, for your convenience, is the text you can copy and paste to tag everyone in a post. Why I didn't think of this sooner I have no idea, but maybe it'll be helpful for the last 21 hours we have to do this :)              Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 14:48, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

LAST BITS AND BOBS
Tag me when you post content if ya want because I've proofread it all so far, and can keep doing that for another 15 minutes Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 11:37, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

How We All Doin'
Hi all, perhaps we can all comment and let everyone know how we're getting on with our sections. If anyone is falling behind or struggling let the group know and we'll all figure something out. I've proofread everything that's been posted again and made the changes that were necessary. When all the content is up it is maybe a good idea for us to read through it all and look for anything that's repeated, any sections that don't seem to link up well enough and to also make sure that all the content is actually relevant to the Chapter heading. I believe in us, team. Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 14:51, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I am fine. All my content and everything I prepared is already up on the Wikibooks page. Thanks for asking!  Anyone need help with anything?--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 15:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey I noticed you put your name under Second Life in the Main Topics section  - I've already covered it under gaming. Was there anything you wanted to add? Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 17:58, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Natashakirmse}} yes, I added just a section about VR, both as an experience and what effect it has had on Japanese culture, and in relation to Black Mirror and added a example of Black Mirror to the gaming section to that I felt were both relevant. [[User:Ailsamaloney12|Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 02:59, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I just finished posting my last section. I've done social media (Facebook, Instagram, and Snapchat) along with gaming (avatars and Second Life). It should be good, but feel free to make adjustments. We need to get a handle on our introduction though - any ideas? Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 18:44, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Alright, so I added a rough introduction. It doesn't have to be used but at least there's something there. Feel free to add or change it up.
 * also, and  is there a reason that Cyber-bullying and online dating is currently displaying the same information twice? I was going to edit it and fix it but I wasn't sure if you two were still doing some work on it. Might want to figure that out.

Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 00:26, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 08:23, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sorting everything out mostly last minute . I like the introduction, it is covering anything we are dealing with. {{reply to|} {{reply to|{{reply to|:Natashakirmse}}}And about the cyber bullying topic and the double display, it seemed pretty neat and done, so I felt so free to delete one of the double displayed content.

no bother, the introduction is looking solid. Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 10:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm getting on fine. Nearly finished writing about Privacy and Security but I'm wondering if it would be okay for me to combine them into one heading? I just feel like I'm covering the same ground twice if I keep them separate. Scottmcindoe (discuss • contribs) 13:00, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Feel free to combine the headings.--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 13:48, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I moved ^ this chunk of text to the very top and added a heading so that there is no need to get lost in the wall of introduction chat. 'i will add in some headers to clear things up too. Last day guys, think from this point we just need to keep chatting away and get the last few things finished and cleaned up. Please keep to the format, add responses to the original statement with an astrix and then reply underneath if there is a further comment. All the best folks! ' Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 03:07, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Good job guys Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 19:35, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Topic Checklist
Things still looking empty at this point are -
 * Catfishing
 * Tindr & Grinder -- possible repeated section mentioned above ?
 * Public and Private Forums looks confusing, need higher level heading if no text going between the headings.
 * The Effects of the Connected World
 * A.I, free will & chat bots - That's us boys,

delete from here once you've uploaded, or at least let the team know what's going on with them and if help is needed to cover them. Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 03:19, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm doing Anonymity / Realism in Relation to Tinder/ Grindr, any suggestions how to organise the headings? Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 12:42, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I've got a lot written down on paper and have given you guys a list of what is in my paragraphs under the 'Tinder/ Grindr / Anonymity / Realism' Headings as I'm in the middle of typing what I've written up. I'm also doing the 'effects of the connected world' under the theme of Tinder / Grindr and Online Dating rather than a separate topic. Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 12:11, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey well done on the intro. I am wondering if we want to pots the online/real life divide as problem which can occur when we blend these two aspects of life, or rather pose the idea that life becomes interesting when this divide blurs? Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 13:03, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

so long as the topics are covered under your earlier section and clearly relate to the effects of the digital world, I think they're fine under that heading. If that's how you'd like your layout to work then I would just delete those two headings from under the Effects section and leave it be.
 * we could definitely toss in a bit about the concerns regarding the divide. I'll add something in and you can let me know how it works. Feel free to play around with it a bit too! Okay, so I just took away the term problem and restructured it to merely describe the situation at hand. Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 14:50, 8 March 2017 (UTC) Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 14:57, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey, here are the references you are using formatted to APA style. Hope it helps.-- Beckett, A. (2009, November 25). The dark side of the internet. Retrieved from https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2009/nov/26/dark-side-internet-freenet -- Staff, L. (2010, February 05). First Amendment. Retrieved from https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 21:02, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Jones, M. (2016, September 02). The Ultimate Guide To The Deep Web. Retrieved from http://www.sickchirpse.com/deep-web-guide/ Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 21:11, 9 March 2017 (UTC) 7.30 By the National Reporting Team's Mark Willacy. (2015, August 26). Detectives took on paedophile's identity in 'dark net' abuse sting. Retrieved from http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-26/secret-anti-paedophile-operation-saves-children-from-abuse/6720304 Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 21:12, 9 March 2017 (UTC) MacAskill, E., Thielman, S., & Oltermann, P. (2017, March 07). WikiLeaks publishes 'biggest ever leak of secret CIA documents'. Retrieved from https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/07/wikileaks-publishes-biggest-ever-leak-of-secret-cia-documents-hacking-surveillance Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 21:25, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Introduction Chat
Hey I was wondering how your group managed to get the inter wiki links because I have tried to follow the guidelines and haven't been able to and noticed that you have. Thank you if you can help SuzanneClark22 (discuss • contribs) 11:46, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi . That is pretty simple. Firstly, you need this shortcut Article Name , if its a site from wikibook wou want to link to, replace the w: by a b: (otherwiese the w: is only used to link to Wikipedia pages). In the first half of the brackets you put in the real name of the Wiki articel you want to link to. Easiest is to actually open the articel/site and just copy and paste in the name into the right place. in the second part of the bracklet behind the | ...you can put the acrtcel's/ wikisite's name you want to link to again or give the site any other name, which then will appaear to be the link to Wiki-Site you wanted to refer/ link to. Hopefully that helped.

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 13:21, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

 Back to the Top Media:

Hi everyone, we have less than 3 weeks to go, so I thought we should get started. I am looking forward to working with you!

How would you suggest that we tackle the topic?

To star I thought of using the simple W-questions, so: What is the Online and real-life Divide  (what makes it visible),  how did it come to this  (short history/evolution of digital culture, theories like Digital Determinism, Cultural Determinism), what effects does it have/how influenced is our behaviour  (online technologies are just an extension after all to our “needs”) . And artificial intelligence seems to make another important point in here.

And what about the Digital Divide?

To start thinking: A critical article, which deals with the virtual and a real life divide, as well as artificial intelligence, who the big player are and which role SNS play in it and mentions issues talked about like the control of online content

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 20:54, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Morning all, Thanks for the reference to start us all thinking. This topic clearly relates to lots of the topics we have encountered so far, especially Week 2's Online Identity lecture and Week 3's Psychosocial Approaches to Online Self-Presentation but we will need to synthesize the information presented as well as delve deeper and around the topics presented. I think your suggestion seems sensible and we can always tweak this as we go along. Do we want to divide up the topics amongst us, each taking a part in the first instance? I don't think we can sensibly do all of it otherwise. There are eleven of us in total working on this chapter of the book, as far as I can see, so there are enough of us to approach it in that way. We can leave the introduction and conclusion to last, once we have the main body of the chapter in place. Anybody got a preference? I'm happy to start with... the history and evolution of digital culture. Does everyone else want to offer to take a piece?

I'm away to read 's reference above. Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 12:20, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I have added some initial headlines to the main section of the chapter. We can change and adapt these as we go on.Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 16:02, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

So it looks like Greg has to agree any changes we make to the book itself. The headings I added are currently waiting for review and if you check the latest draft you can see them but if you just 'read' the book you can't. Just sayin' Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 16:10, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Okay... so I've started looking at the history of media development and it is a huuuuuge subject. I think we might need to break down the topics into smaller bits and pieces in order to have anything even vaguely approaching comprehensiveness. Anybody want to have a go at breaking down the topics? Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 13:20, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys, I agree with what you have all been saying so far. I was wondering if it'd be possible for me to discuss identity and persona in relation to our online real life divide as a part of this? If everyone else is okay with that? Also does anyone have any idea of how we should set a house style on our book? Just so all the inputs looks the same/similar. --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 21:43, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

That sounds good to me; first come, first served and all that. I think that the wikibook has its own house style and that therefore once you upload something it will all look the same in the book. Was that what you were meaning? I put the first post on just to see what it would look like. Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 13:35, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * sorry guys, I have been away for some days but now back, ready to jump into work.
 * Thanks fort the great start! I would also like to work on the history and evolution of digital culture. So I will join you. I try breaking down the history in some smaller topics, we can work on and post them this evening latest.
 * Thanks fort the great start! I would also like to work on the history and evolution of digital culture. So I will join you. I try breaking down the history in some smaller topics, we can work on and post them this evening latest.


 * I guess we could presuppose the knowledge of the swift from paper to computers and the use of binary codes or just sum it up in a few sentences…
 * Now, I tried breaking down the topic into a few comprehensible bullet points, which logically and chronologically follow each other.


 * "As We May Think" Vannevar Bush, (supposed to be the basis of intuitive interaction between human and calculating machines. Inspired by this Doug Engelhart designed the first computer at the beginning of the 1950s.
 * Digital revolution (The Information Age)
 * (Change in industry)
 * Shift from consumer to creator…


 * Which again could lead to another main topic such like the notion of identity or psychological approaches to explain self-representation online and in real life or the differences and consequences in general.


 * ‘I’ and ‘me’ in social interactionist approaches


 * btw. If we want to structure our conversations a bit more, additionally to linking the adressed person, we can also insert our written text as answer beneath the text we want to asnwer to (hopefully you get, what I mean). Just use :: for it, the more you add the more your text is pushed aside.

example
 * example
 * example
 * example


 * --DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 20:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * By the way, I just started working on the beginning of my suggested history and evaluation of digital media list (see above) and found some really nice text from Vannevar Bush himself, in which he comments on his journal "As We May Think" and the progress made so far. It is on page 85 of the book "New Media, Old Media” , which is also available as e-source in our library's portal.

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 14:55, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure! Fair enough. Identity and persona are surely part of our topic as well. As for the house style, that is something we can change or unify any time later on, when we have sufficient and good content.

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 16:01, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi all,, , , , , , (Just in case you did not get an reminder or do not find the page again, here you go!) What do you guys think about it?

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 16:08, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey, sorry I haven't written yet - for some reason my phone wouldn't let me access this page and I didn't have access to a computer until today! There are some really good ideas coming up so far. In regards to the concept of history of media development that was talking about earlier, would it be possible to break the media down into different mediums (ie social media, virtual reality gaming, anonymous messaging/chat rooms, public and private forums) in order to get that smaller focus you were wondering about? Each area presents a different aspect of the self and it also alters how one portrays themselves online. I also think history should be solely focused on the different theorists and the theories' relation and application to the Digital Divide (Technological Determinism, Cultural Determinism, Psychosocial approaches, etc). Evolution could have its own category that discusses the different mediums and their relations to the key aspects we discussed in class (representation, anonymity, narrative, security, privacy, realism, production/consumption) and possibly the different audiences that these mediums attract.
 * is there a certain aspect of identity and online persona you're looking into? Will the I versus Me aspect be in your work or should we consider that under another topic that someone else should look into? I versus Me could also be broken down by the type of media or the shift from consumer to creator that discussed earlier. Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 22:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry Hello Friends. Sorry for not being active. I had to make some headway on a paper for another class. Reading the discussions so far I think we have a good start in terms of topics and subtopics. Have we decided to assign/ take on topics to work on?? As a subtopic I was thinking maybe talking about "catfishsing." Thoughts?Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 00:14, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

After reading 's response I think breaking down history and media development into those different sections is useful. It will allow us to have more content while also being very focused on certain topics. I would be interested on working on a topic involving the different mediums. Would also be down to collab with a small group on that. Still not too sure how we are dividing up work or who is doing what. Sorry. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 00:23, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Easiest to see what topics o subtopics we are working on would be to simply put your name in bold letters behind the topic you ant to work on in one of the topic lists (?)This way it differs from the signatures. And sure. Catfishing would be another could point which could be a subtopic of online identity.


 * I really like the division of topics and subtopics you made. What aspects would you consider most important to focus or write on in the smaller sections of media (i.e. social media, virtual reality gaming, anonymous messaging/chat rooms, public and private forums). So that they are all structured similar. Maybe: short explanation, how it used/purpose/aim, advantages/disadvantages/problems(threats, surveillance), and a future development ?

I just tried to add your division to the topic list below and match it with the already existing ones. Did I get it right?


 * --DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 09:11, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

I think the subtopics you broke down look good. With every topic we should briefly discuss its origin, the aim, the audience it was directed towards (ie age, gender, etc), and as you stated before the advantages and disadvantages and threats they pose. I'm not sure how we could cover future development, but we should also include a section on the display of the identity in that medium (such as through the self on social media, character creation in gaming, anonymous speakers on chat rooms, etc). This way we're linking the history and the mediums directly into our topic of the online divide and it covers some of the history of an online identity as it covers the mediums created in the past twenty or so years.


 * I think catfishing is a great topic, but would you be willing to combine it a bit? I think if you covered security and privacy under the Effects of the Connected World then you could really get into catfishing, anonymous comments, etc. Plus that way not everyone is just doing subtopics, but covering a few main areas.


 * I agree, with lots of ideas you could easily get into each subtopic, what do you think the best way to organise it is so we ensure that all the bases / subtopics are covered? Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 17:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Similarly if could do representation and possibly anonymity of the Effects of the Connected World, then that would allow him to really go in-depth on identity and persona in relation to the online divide.


 * Thoughts?

Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 10:18, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Also, just adding this as an after thought, I think I'd like to cover the history and usage of social media and gaming. Is that okay with everyone? I can cover chat rooms and forums too if no one else would like those, but it's better to leave it open in case people are interested. Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 10:21, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * With the the future development I just ment, maybe we find some forecasts or future trends. Nothing much, it is just a nice ending for a subtopic, I guess. I agree with the idea that we have to link the display of identity, then we will have less work later on, when we come back on the effects of the mediums on our connected world. Sounds good.

I just did like a small introduction on the work of Vavennar Bush, as I mentioned above already, we could use it somewhere at the beginning of the history of media development. It is actually about the beginnig of digital media. I will just post it on the main page, and if you do not like it just change it or kick it out. Do not know it it goes off too far.

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 10:35, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

that's a good idea for ending the subtopics. We could try and look into forward projections and even base it off of previous popular platforms such as social meda like Myspace or gaming like Second Life. Things go in and out of popularity so ending with that could work well. From my understanding, the Vavennar Bush essay could work as a solid introduction to the History section. We could also give it mention in the general introduction, but I feel like if you want to go a bit more in-depth with in that you should take the introduction of history as one of your sections to work on. We can always comment or tweak it, but feel free to work it how you want!

Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 11:08, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Theres a document about Second life that would be super interesting to look into- it's really good to watch it was on Netflix, not sure if its still on it now but it's here. It's called Life 2.0 ! Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 17:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

This formatting a really good idea, and I agree with the idea of structuring these chats as well because I can see what you mean about how It could get hard to follow very quickly. Also, Im sure I could look into the I verses Me topic If you'd like, Im very interested in the works of Goffman and masks and I would be really keen to research/write about how his works relate to the online/real life divide. --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 01:54, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, as I was catching up it ended up getting increasingly difficult to follow!



Sounds good to me! Just go ahead! And please do not forget to add the topic or your name behind the topic you are currently working on in the topic list beneath, so that everyone know which topic is covered an by whom. Hopefully, the other group members will join us soon, because time is running. Just in case I forgot to mention, I am currently working on a brief overview of the history of digital media development (also sort of as introduction into the whole topic), you could say the electronical requirements/ development of communication which made the online real life divide possible at all. --DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 10:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi guys! I like the way the subtopics were broken down. I'm just catching up on all this so give me a sec to read through it! Probably preferably The Effects of the Connected World / autonomity, Privacy I feel like these come hand in hand. It would be interesting to see the was that the companies can see what we're posting possibly. Also how we can be different people under a username- e.g. trolls or how out real self can change under the internet than what we're like in real life. I feel like i could use platforms (like messaging / basically chat 'rooms') like Tinder / Grinder / She and how folk possibly change under them! I could break down how the possible demand for these were kind of developed into making the apps? (And also possibly why they're were put up as apps rather than the typical online dating websites?) Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 13:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


 * The idea of including data trails and changes in our personality is really good, should we be able to relate back the Online/Real life divide. Also that documentary about Life 2.0 looks like it could be a really relevant and interesting resource that could help out with this book - Id definitely use it if I were you!

--Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 17:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey, I'd like to work on Security under The Effects of the Connected World, Production and Consumtion / Realism is what I prefer. Scottmcindoe (discuss • contribs) 13:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey folks, sorry I'm a little late to the party but I've been busy with some other coursework. Looks like you've all made some great headway and thanks @DesireeSophie for the easy to read layout. The whole conversation on here is a nightmare for me to read. In terms of topics being divided up; @NatashaKirmse how much of the online gaming side are you covering - which bits in particular?; Also I'd be interested in covering the public and private forum. There could be some interesting points to be made about some commonly used forums and also the deep web and its' darker uses. Xavithehat (discuss • contribs) 13:37, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Really glad to see people responding and picking up more topics - should make it easier for us to get this whole thing together by next week!
 * in regards to gaming I'll be looking into a bit of the history of character creation in online games and the expansion of the concept since. I believe I'll try and cover fantasy gaming creations along with more "second life/virtual reality" type games and consider how the concept of creating the self differs between the two. I'm still doing my readings now, but I'll be focusing on the effect online character creation has on the self and one's concept of their identity. I'll also be looking into online gaming communities and the effect of their interactions on the self. That's just what I have right now. Did you have anything to add? Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 15:02, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


 * You have covered everything I could think of and more with that to be honest. It sounds really interesting. Fancy collabing a bit on it? I might be able to help with some of my own experience with the whole character creation aspect. Xavithehat (discuss • contribs) 14:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'd love to collab. Is there a section you prefer to discuss? I know you mentioned character creation but are you talking more fantasy gaming or virtual reality/second life? Feel free to comment under the medium section and let me know. Might make this discussion easier for the two of us! Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 17:40, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello Friends! So it looks like and I will be covering similar topics. I'm going to work on Security and she on privacy. I think these overlap in a lot of ways. What specific concentrations and aspects of privacy do you want to focus on? or we could even talk about the similarities and overlaps of the two? Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 17:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Also, do we have free reign to go and make grammar and spelling edits of each other's work? I think it's good for us to check one another while also sort of developing a similar voice in all of our sections? We write differently so I think if we all contribute to edits we it'll turn out to be more similar in the end? does that make sense?? Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 17:14, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, hate to be annoying -- but how do we put our digital signatures onto what we do in the wikibook itself? I assume it would be different that how we sign off on our discussion page? I figured I'd ask here first before I dive into the deep dark depths of wiki. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 17:25, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I think what we say can just be viewed under the contributions tab under our names? Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 17:53, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Just spoke to we think to maybe expand on the catfish subtopic and make online dating its own topic. It also ties into 's topic of Identity and persona in relation to our online real life divide. could we use it as a subtopic? Maybe collaborate with you? NOt too sure how to fit it in, but I think I would be interesting. How people set up their online profiles, like tinder or other dating websites and their intent may be different from who they are in real life. I don't know just a thought, but time is running out. Also, if everyone thinks including this is a bad idea, let me know and we can scrap it. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 17:40, 27 February 2017 (UTC) &#8593; Back to top


 * I think that's a good idea! I think its very relatable to online and offline identity, as creating an online dating identity is very 'skilful' -emphisizing posit points, picking and choosing what information they want to go up. Theres even readings with tactics of online dating here (for 'traditional' dating websites, not Tinder ect) and Page 58 of this book references a lot of online dating readings in relation to one's self. Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 17:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I think online dating would be a great one to add. We could put it under the mediums section if you really wanted to go in-depth with it. Catfishing could work as a subtopic for multiple places, so we would need to decide if we would want it under social media, online dating, chatrooms, or forums. I feel like it would have the most relevance in online dating, but it could be mentioned under other headings as well. If we make online dating its own catergory, who would want to take the lead on it? Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 22:16, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I'll dive into online dating. I can make catfishing a subtopic. I'll do the history of it, it's prevalence and like statistics about how many people use it as a platform. Sound good? also if anyone wants to do any work on it as well, always down for a collab. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 12:14, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

If you all disagree thats fine as well. I'll be mainly focusing on how people behave, i.e. even though their profile is themselves they still behave totally differently to their offline selves, some people gain more confidence. Along those lines Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 12:27, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm waiting for approval so it can be added to the main book page. adding your topics of tinder and grinder as subtopics is a good call. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 12:39, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys, this is all coming along well, hopefully we should get the book done in the near future. The discussion about using online dating in the books is also a good idea. I also noticed one of my comments is missing or misplaced which made me quite sad as this chat is getting ever harder to follow. Anyway, Ill try to get my pieces up in the next few days if anyone wants to make any edits to it or anything like that let me know, thank you. --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 13:45, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

What themes will you be covering? Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 13:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I've changed the location of Identity and Persona in relation to our Online/Real life divide to the Digital Divide topic in oppose to Artificial Intelligence as I feel like its far more fitting here, just letting everyone know. --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 13:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Also added the Digital Divide topics to the main book, this is the area that and myself are working on. Hopefully should have its filled out soon. --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 13:59, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

After talking to Greg in todays lab I was thinking more about what I mentioned about the relevance of the dark web/deep web to Public and Private forum and I was wondering if you'd be happy to collab a little on anonymity ? Xavithehat (discuss • contribs) 14:27, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Was talking to earlier about hyperlinks. and links between wiki pages (the blue lines that are like magical portals) are we wanting to incorporate that to make it look more jazzy? I'll link the how-to wiki page I used for it anyway. Xavithehat (discuss • contribs) 14:33, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I think it would be best if we swapped our privacy and realism topics and I could do the privacy of the online dating websites and link in some of the themes into production/consumption? Scottmcindoe (discuss • contribs) 14:34, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

It would be a good idea to relate the topics to production/consumerism. Also for anyone that's not yet chosen a topic, the list of available ones is down below, please choose one --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 14:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

So both these links cover the ideas of linking and hyperlinking in wiki and  have fun. Xavithehat (discuss • contribs) 14:40, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * and I think hyperlinking or linking other Wikipages to the most important key words would be really useful, we just should not overdo it, but it increases the interconnectivity. I also tried to summarize the linking already in a help section at the very bottom of the page. If you figure out other helping shortcuts just post them in there.--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 17:33, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm going to cover cultural determinism. I was hoping to probably just discuss it in a theoretical aspect. I'm not too sure how to connect it to the concept of Online/Real World Divide. Any thoughts? I'll post some content of it in the next few days. Feel free to edit and add on however you see fit. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 14:42, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm sure you'll be able to figure pout away around this, just try and discuss how this theory could affect an individual and themselves with technology then try to use this to make a comparison between their on and offline selves. Ill have a look at what you do anyway as we will have to work relatively closely together to get each of our parts of the book to link up well as they are two theories that naturally relate. --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 14:46, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello all, this is Team Digipals (Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 15:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC),{{reply to|StuG772}} and late to the party. We have dropped the ball but we're back on track now and ready to work hard. It looks like Artifical Intelligence is still needing some contributors and we'd be happy to start work on that. We'll post content as the days go by and make sure we're linking up with what everyone else is writing too. I think, though, that we need a different format for communicating on here. Perhaps using headers for each topic in this discussion page, and posting queries, announcements and everything else under those? Catching up on what's been said so far was difficult as it is essentially one super long post, with no real divide or context between them.

As it stands though, we'll tackle Artifical Intelligence but if you guys have any other ideas, or if there are sub-topics we need to look at too just let me know. Thanks! Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 15:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Team Digipals ) ), ,{{reply to|StuG772}} and {{reply to|Ailsamaloney12}}. All of you are doing Artificial Intelligence. Would any of you mind doing another topic as well. We still have some left-overs: representation, narrative, chat rooms, which includes cyber-bullying? Would be great!


 * Are you doing the topic Online Security just as a aspect of Online Dating or as a topic itself (because we still need to get that one covered)?

Please everyone have your stuff up as soon as possible, so that we still have enough time for the general editing and the introduction as well as the conclusion! --DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 17:27, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

,, ,{{reply to|StuG772}}, , {{reply to|Ailsamaloney12}}, {{reply to|Jackiebee}} Thanks guys for the structuring, it looks good! I like it! How do you want to handle your results on a certain topic (so when you are done and content with the text you wrote), just post it on the Wikibook? Because I do not believe that we will have time to post the raw material here and discuss about it. We can just comment and edit on each others work as it comes up, I guess. --DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 16:55, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

So we've readjusted the layout of the book's overall page. It seems a lot more organized now. If we could all start to add under our sections then I think we should feel free to edit each other's grammar and spelling. provided a good link as to how to do inter-wiki links. It should be heavily used regarding theorists, platforms, and other large topics. Don't forget to add references and make note of any glossary terms we need to add to the front page! We can figure out who is doing the introduction and conclusion as soon as the majority of the work is up. We need the main ideas down in order to write our summaries. Also - please remember to use charts and pictures throughout in order to make points clear. We need to use Wiki mark-up to our full advantage! Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 17:40, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I made some syntactical and grammatical adjustments to your posts in History of Digital Media Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 14:30, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for the edit{{reply to|Jackiebee}}!

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 17:48, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi guys, if it's alright I'd like to do Security as I feel it naturally links in well with Privacy which I'm already working on. I'm not too sure on what to write about for Production and Consumption. Could anybody give me a hand? Scottmcindoe (discuss • contribs) 15:45, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah it links well with your topic, just go ahead. Actually, thanks for picking it :) For subtopic Production and Consumption I would tackle the bluring line between producing and consuming content in the aspect of user-generated-content (on blogs and SNS), maybe also the challenges journalists have facing UGC, and the sift from a mere consumer to a producer (again regarding UGC but also the participatory audience for example in the film industry, people actually get to take part with thier ideas in the production of some series or episodic releases), which is all thanks to our connected world. --DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 17:52, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Are you still working on the Evolution of Digital Culture? I got a bit confused, if you would still need help on that or if anybody is actually covering it. --DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 17:56, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys, just to let everyone know I had to head down home a day ago for personal reasons but Im back now. Should be uploading my readings/parts of the book over today/tomorrow! --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 15:35, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey, to retort Campbell's point, sorry I've not posted on the site for quite a few days now, I had to go back and see my family this weekend and so haven't had a huge amount of time to upload but I've been researching in dribs and drabs when I've had free time so I will try have some content and stuff to discuss up by midnight. And will blast through stuff tomorrow day time which me some time to read and suggest edits on other people's content and allow time for people to do the same on mine. Sorry again. StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 20:22, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Also to answer 's question asked a while back about covering a few topics that are yet to be claimed, I am happy to take on "representation" and "narrative" from "The Effects of the connected world" and look into them.

Hope this helps out a bit and means we will have all topics covered. StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 20:28, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * perfect! Thanks {{reply to|StuG772}}.--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 21:22, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Final discursive post tonight (I hope). To just keep you guys in the loop, Me, Jack and Ailsa met up and discussed Artificial Intelligence content so I have added the discussion points within that topic onto the "main topics" heading part. If anyone has any other aspects within Artificial Intelligence they think warrant discussion and would improve the chapter then please do suggest away, any guidence at this point would be more than helpful. Thanks StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 20:38, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey, Ill have a read through your chapter when you get it up. I was just wanting to let you guys know that I have narrowed down the readings I am going to use for Identity and Persona in relation to our online real life divide and have put them onto the book page yet, just in case anyone is interested or wants to use it for their own chapters. --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 20:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi I'm not sure what else to add to the Evolution of Digital Culture. There are so many subheadings that I think would cover the rest of what I would say that I'm not sure where to go. And because the rest of the info isn't up yet, I don't know what other people will be covering in those subheadings. What do we think? I have been going through what is already up and amending typos and grammar and I have added the references to the Psychosocial bit, but again, the Me and I would be covered in the online persona subheading so I am not sure what to add. Do you want to have a look? Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 11:54, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi all, I've gone through everything that's been posted again and made the odd correction and change of phrase to clean it up a bit. Anything you're not happy with or are questioning just let me know Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 14:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for editing {{reply to|Jackiebee}} and !


 * I had a look at the "The Evolution of Digital Culture" section,, and I see your problem/concern. Everything is sort of covered, but I also do not know in which way or depth, so I just tried to refer to the other topics with a quote and a summarizing sentence. Not the best solution, I know, but I could not think of anything else looking at th elimited amount of time we have left. Thoughts?

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 18:07, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, that's what I thought. I think it's just going to have to stay how it is until the rest is up! Also, there's an alarming amount of content still to go up. Are we convinced that the spaces are being tackled?Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 12:32, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * {{reply to|Vickthestick}}At least from what I know every topic and subtopic is in progress and hopefully done before the deadline.--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 15:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Main topics
Hello everyone. Looking at our short conversations, I felt like it is going to be a total mess as soon as other people join the discussion. So here is a list with recommendation for main topics. Feel free to add anything. Maybe we can even add some new subjects for every main or sub-topic people working on.

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 16:24, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Introduction
 * History and Application of Digital Media
 * History of Digital Media Development (First Analog Computers, Digital Computers, Digital Rev., Future)DesireeSophie
 * The Evolution of Digital Culture Vickthestick
 * media
 * social media-  Natashakirmse
 * virtual reality gaming-   Natashakirmse
 * gaming in respect to its effects on culture - Ailsa Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 14:32, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * anonymous messaging/chat rooms
 * cyber-bullying Jackiebee
 * public and private forum Xavithehat


 * Online Dating
 * History and Prevalence Charleneabeana
 * Catfishing Charleneabeana
 * Tinder/Grindr Heather Foster


 * Digital culture
 * Digital Divide (Dimensions of the Divide, Knowledge Divide)DesireeSophie
 * Technological Determinism Campbell Wallace
 * Cultural Determinism Charlenebeana Charleneabeana (discuss •
 * Identity and persona in relation to our online real life divide Campbell Wallace

contribs) 17:21, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Psychosocial approaches  VicktheStick


 * The Effects of the Connected World
 * representation - Stuart Graham
 * anonymity -Heather Foster
 * narrative - Stuart Graham
 * security Scott McInode
 * privacy Scott McInode
 * realism, Heather Foster
 * production/consumption Scott McInode


 * Artificial Intelligence Jack, Ailsa and StuG
 * Definition of Artificial Intelligence
 * Implications of Data Collection
 * Free Will within Artificial Intelligence
 * Chat Bots and the Future of online conversing (possibly discussing Spike Jonze's Her)


 * Conclusion

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 09:24, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

who is covering / has made the Media and Social Media with the varying platforms, on the wiki book page, I can't seem to find the discussion of it anywhere on this page, wondered if you could point me in the right direction to be able to help out with this topic? Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 23:30, 6 March 2017 (UTC) I see now it -- what are you planning on filling up that section with, do you mind if I jump in and help out? --- It's ok I see now that this topic has been filled up Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 14:32, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

OK to whom it may concern, not sure who to discuss with at this point. I have added VR to the gaming section, and made references and basically discussed Black Mirror episodes in relation to modern day culture and how it truly represents the elements of this study. Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 23:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Sub-topics
Feel free do add any sub-topics.
 * Online Dating
 * catfishing -   Charleneabeana
 * Tinder / Grinder /She - Hgfoster


 * identity and persona in relation to online identity- Campbell Wallace

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 16:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC) Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 12:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Im just letting you guys know I have some stuff up under the Identity and Persona section of the book. If anyone has any advice on the section itself or on how to match consistency please feel free to let me know! --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 14:14, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Explaining the "discussion" topics on talk page
Hey guys,, , , , ,    so we've just had a chat with Greg about our topic of artificial intelligence as well as about how the discussion page works in building up the conversation and our Wikibook. So I've made this heading of artificial intelligence so that all conversations about this topic will take place under here and I think for all the main point topics it would be a good idea to keep discussion about different topics separate so that conversation about all of our content isn't lost in the big mass of text that is the "introduction chat" topic. So for each different of the main topics we are covering within the Wikibook we use different topic headings on this talk page to discuss just that. Along with this if we want to organise further we can have separate section headings within each discussion topic so that it is all contained in the right place.

Additionally I am going to include "general queries" topic at the bottom that will act as a FAQ for us to all get at the same level of wiki ability, so those people who are by now more used to the platform can give help to those just coming back to it now and are unsure of some of the functions and editing standards. I hope this will be more useful and facilitate the conversations and queries we have both about the platform and our individual topics more.

Definition of Artificial Intelligence
Let me know you're thoughts, thanks StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 15:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi I'm currently working on this and will post it soon.

Source Suggestions
On the Internet - Dreyfus, H (2001)

Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach - Russell, S & Norvig, P (2010)

Ex Machina - Garland, A (2015)

80s cyberpunk fiction

Useful Theorist Names
[insert here some names of theorists that you've come across but not had time to fully delve into who others could use to underpin their arguments]

Artificial Intelligence Research: Making a Start
So as I said above we had a chat with Greg about what would be the best way to approach this topic as it is rather ambiguous. Jack has just included source suggestion we'd discussed and so those covering this topic can go away and familiarise themselves with the suggested research but also it would be very useful if people went looking themselves for other academic writings on artificial intelligence and once this is done it can help up try divide the topic into the sub headings all our other main points have so we can begins to assign which heading and content each one of us will cover.

So go have a look around on the ole web and find some stuff relating to artificial intelligence and possibly start thinking about how it relates to our overarching topic of the Online/Real Life Divide.

When you do find references edit them into the "Source Suggestions" heading jack has created on this heading.

Thank you StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 16:04, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Sub-heading delegation
Hey,, , now that we are getting close to the deadline I thought we should divide up who is doing what within the topic, have a look at the subheadings I have posted from our chat and let me know if you think any changed need made or if you have any to add. Additionally we should decide who is tackling what and once done that maybe throw around some ideas of how each thing will be tackled, like I have recently done on the representations and narrative sections of the "Effects of a Connected World" discussion topic header. Think this will avoid overlap and allow us to begin being more specific with what each of us is researching for. StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 00:42, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Subheadings for the book
Hey,, , I think we really need to section this out and plan what to add to out wiki book! I've updated it so far but add as we go

Definition
completed by Jackiebee

Implications of Data Collection
who is covering this? Done!, add to it as you wish! or tell me about any suggestions or references you think i could include Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 14:35, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Chat Bots and the Future of Online Conversing
(possibly discussing Spike Jonze's Her) <- (from the big post) I was perhaps thinking of the episode of Dr. Who with Clara Oswald who is actually a dalek ? maybe in this topic or for Free Will ? Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 23:15, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey team,  Maybe here we could also talk about how chat bots and conversing with AI blurs the line between real and not-real significantly. How genuine is engagement, identification, feelings of communication when one of the participants is not conscious, and cannot be said to be engaged or identifying with the other person? Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 14:40, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

A.I in fiction
(proposed section that I would like to discuss)  In reference to the fact that it is a common story line where AI rises against the creator and why it is so often repeated etc. basically discussing many of the films with AI and in particular relation to the Black Mirror episode suggested on the main page. Let me know what you think. I will add it for now and you guys can amend it as we go. Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 23:04, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, How about we have different sections within this subtopic? Not for specific literature or films, but for different views of AI. For example, references and media where A.I serves people, where A.I controls society, Where it is outlawed, where it merges with humanity. This might make it an easier read and perhaps make it easier for us to gather academic resources too. Let me know what you think Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 14:38, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

So for the section about A.I's serving us, this seems like a good thing to reference: Alone together: why we expect more from technology and less from each other - Sherry Turkle 2011 (electronic resource) Chapter 8 : Always on. It's in the resource list for the module :) Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 15:51, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

that sounds perfect Jack, I will make sub topics here and we can flesh out a bit more what the plan is, got a bit of a shock when I went to make a start on the wiki book to find it already filled in, so maybe if we make the topic subheadings here and then a wee blurb of who's writing what and then we can edit each others, that kind of thing. Just so we're all on the same page. Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 16:58, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

A.I serving society
HUMANS, everything generally A.I is created by man, for man. Or to see how far we can take technology? Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 17:16, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Where A.I controls Society
perhaps where it over rules the creator, so it turns against humanity?? instead of it's purpose being to control society so films like Eagle Eye and I, Robot etc. ?? Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 16:58, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Good idea, we can relate this back to automated data collection too Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 17:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

A.I Consciousness
yo, I think your in depth knowledge of Dr Who might be interesting here in terms of Dalek and the episode with Clara ?? or there is also things like Blade Runner and A.I Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 16:59, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Mediums discussion
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Can someone explain to me whats meant to go here? Tad confused. Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 16:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

See above for subheadings -social media, social reality gaming, etc. Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 14:25, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I noticed you've added some stuff in regards to Black Mirror. Would you mind if I made Black Mirror its own section since it covers a few different topics? Rather than having the show spread out it could all be under one heading. I'll switch it around. Let me know what you think. Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 00:04, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Digital Culture and the digital divide discussion
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Cultural Determinism
Hello, I will take this section! Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 22:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey! I've already been working on this section. If you looked at the list, my name was next to it. Sorry dude! Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 02:07, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I have some notes on the topic. I can start to write content and you are more than welcome to some information to it of establish a subheading if you've already started research. I don't want to kick you off a topic if you've started work on it. We can even meet up Tuesday if you want to go over some stuff. Let me know asap. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 02:26, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I'll pitch in later or edit the book with the stuff that I've researched, I only realised the headings after I saw the empty sections, very confused. Sorry, I haven't done much so it's ok. Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 09:57, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Identity and persona in relation to our online real life divide
Hi Campbell, I saw you've left some references on the Book page under this heading, were they meant for in here? It's handy having them written up so that they can be hyperlinked within the post, but we don't need actual reference lists typed up in the book, as they are all listed at the bottom of the chapter page :) Jackiebee (discuss • contribs) 14:52, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! I was mainly just putting them up so Id have them there to help me as I create my chapter/to give them to anyone who wants to use them. --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 15:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Psychosocial Approaches
Afternoon, I have put a brief summary of psychosocial approaches into the book but I'm not sure how much more to include in this area as Persona and online identity and therefore the Me and I are going to be covered in the topic above and we don't want repetition. What do we think? Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 14:25, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

That looks good, perhaps keep an eye out incase there are areas that aren't covered?, I haven't looked too heavily into the Psychological Approaches, but maybe talk about the differences between the two sections? Apart from that it looks good. Ailsamaloney12 (discuss • contribs) 23:08, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Online dating discussion
If I'm correct you said you had started delving into the history of Catfishing? Or am i wrong.. can't remember. Anyway I know was doing security ect so could bring that aspect in. Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 16:02, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for the late reply. I am doing a general overview of catfishing. If wants to add a bit to security then I think that'll b just fine. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 16:18, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

So what topics are you touching upon when doing Catfishing? As if we're all doing different subtopics in relation to online dating I wouldn't want to overlap. Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 17:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry Friends. I'm talking about what catfishng is and some psychological background. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 19:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I noticed that Tinder / Grindr is a separate heading to the Realism / Anonymity subjects I'm doing, how do you think is best to re organise it? Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 12:21, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

History and prevalence
I will discuss more about the statistics of online dating. Approximately how many people use online dating platforms, what percentage of relationships are from them, and how these figures have changed over the years. I'm going to talk about how many platforms there are, who started it, and how it gained popularity. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 20:27, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Catfishing
I will be discussing what catfishing is. I will discuss its psychological aspect, as well as techniques and typical signs of catfishing. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 20:24, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Tinder/Online Websites
Draft edition is now on the book.

What I'll be covering: Differences in realism with men / woman. Warranting Theory / Toma et al Online dating profiles in relation to accuracy (how realistic they were) / Paulus's social desirability model to examine peoples tendency to change their information to appear more 'likeable' Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 17:46, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm starting to move away from Tinder and all those apps as the studies into online dating in general are more in depth, however I will be relating everything back to the Tinder ect and those platforms.

Headings I'm going to be adding include Under that heading, the sub headings..
 * Identity and the Internet
 * Anonymity Diminishing Accountability
 * Contributing Factors to Deception Online
 * Gender
 * Intermediary Platforms

I'll bullet point the subjects of my paragraphs here, I'll post them as a draft version onto the main page early tomorrow, I'm just writing everything up on paper tonight! (Yes, it's a lot more time consuming but I find it much easier to create content on paper!) Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 22:21, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * What deception over the internet is
 * What Individual Identity is
 * The layout of online dating (i.e. free form / technical nature) and its effects on letting the individual creating their own fictitious identities (fictitious in the way where they expand upon their personality traits, for example)

I'm impressed with how you have decided to elaborate on this topic. I think that using topics like Identity on the internet and Accountability in this sub topic really carry the theme of our chapter throughout the sections. I also totally agree with you about writing it out first. I scribbled my information down in my notes and composed my content on a word document. I was easier this was so I didn't get too lost when adding references and hyperlinks. I'm excited to see what you come up with. Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 01:40, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Evolution discussion
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Hi everyone. I just "finished" my textual work on the History of Digital Media Development and added it to our Wikibook If you feel like something missing, just tell me. I wanted to give the reader a brief overview, otherwiese it would be off topic, I guess. And feel free to correct grammar and punctuation and so on. I will add some pictures later on. --DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 00:06, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Representation
So I've been doing a bit of research around online representation and how it relates to our overarching topic of the online/real life divide and I've come up with some sub headings I can tackle this under. Firstly the notion of "Self-representation online" (which was covered in previous personal wiki exercises for class so should be easier), I found a few useful links on this from academics on the subject so this shouldn't be too hard to tackle. The next sub-heading I was thinking about was "Reception to Self-representation" as I feel how people react and engage with our attempts at representing ourselves online is key to how we go on to do so in the future, I am still to look into academic backing on this so if anyone has any helpful texts they have come across, pasting them bellow with me tagged would be very helpful. Obviously a big point for comparison here is the difference between the real life way we represent ourselves and the online, and how easy misrepresentation is and how there is little validation these days around examining peoples' online persona against their real life and holding them accountable for their deliverable misleading misrepresentations. How do contributors to the "Effects of the connected world" main topic feel like would fit in with the content they have planned for their sections as ideally we want all parts of the chapter to both flow well but also avoid overlapping content and references, obviously overlapping opinions on the subject will be similar as we are all subject to the same platform and tasks but do share (and tag me) if any of this steps on the toes of you guys' content. StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 23:48, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Anonymity
Draft edition is now in the Wikibook, Under the subject of Tinder and Online Dating

Under anonymity I found a fantastic theory called the Warranting theory! I'm also linking realism in that how anonymity effects the way you control yourself online (i.e. about the 'truthworthyness' of the platform) as well as comparing an individuals 'true self' (how they would like to be / how they are but not on an everyday basis) and their 'actual self' (who they are on a day to day basis) as there was a study done comparing these two types of people. Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 20:45, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Narrative
Like representation I have been thinking about sub-headings with which I can tackle this topic, I have been looking for a few hours now and am struggling to find any references on online narrative so as mentioned above if you come across any good quotes or texts please do tag me in a post - we all want dem valuable engagement points don't we and what better way. So in terms of the sub-headings I think a small description of narrative as a concept might be a good start of this but then relate it to online, this working to introduce the first proper sub heading which is "The Story of Me - social media platform storytelling without words" which will look into how we tell stories of our lives without long exposition posts outlining how every minute of our day went, this will focus specifically on Facebook (looking at how we update our workplaces, learning establishments, geolocations, etc to let the world know whats going on with us) and Snapchat (looking at storytelling through snapshots of every minute of our day). The next sub-heading might look into what we omit from our narratives and what motivated this selection process. The next may focus on how we let others tell stories for us, whether it be those who we are linked to on social media or even the platforms themselves (talking about Facebook's "on this day" format and the videos about how long you've been a member etc. Would love some feedback on these ideas and any other things people can think about surrounding the topic. StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 00:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Geez you are up late/early I think what you have here is great and also huge. I think the important bits you mention in terms of the main topic are the way in which we choose to craft our online narratives and why, but I also think we do this is the real world - I wouldn't ordinarily be telling the world that I have a sick child at home and my heating isn't working, for example; I would confine that knowledge to a very select few. If you start running out of time, then you may need to be judicious in your selection of what you feel is most important and go with that first. Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 10:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much, your feedback has been really helpful. I shall try to really focus in on what is important within the topic and make sure it's as good as it can be.

Privacy
Sorry for the lack of updates but I'm currently working on this topic. I've got a good amount written already which revolves around the ways in which private information and the image that people form online often doesn't entail the privacy they expect. To explore this, I am using two main examples: the Snapchat nude leaks and an article from the Guardian (here it is about Tinder's lack of privacy. Scottmcindoe (discuss • contribs) 12:29, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Realism
Draft edition is now in the Wikibook, Under the subject of Tinder and Online Dating I've done a lot of work of realism and identity (namely compromised identity/ deception, as I'm looking at these subjects under the theme of online dating) as they go so well hand and hand. Within Identity I'm focusing on gender so if anyone has opinions about my paragraph on it, its here; Evolutionary psychologists have looked into the deception of realism between males and females, the modification of traits in online dating can mainly be explained through socially desirable responding (ref 1). Enhancing the individuals “reproductive viability” (ref 3) Meaning that each gender placed focus on certain elements. It was found that men were more prone to exaggerating their economic stability and physical strength, woman were more likely to emphasise upon their physical attraction. These discontinuities in reality had been pinned down to the social constructions and expectations of each gender Each genders main misrepresentations also followed a pattern; where women are more prone to being discreet about their weight while men are more prone to mis represent their age and personal interests.Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 20:42, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Introduction and Conclusion discussion
Hey, , , , , So this discussion topic is the one we can discuss and throw around idea about both how we want the book to read and look when we are done and how we are gonna introduce the whole topic of the Online/Real Life Divide as well as concluding it. I do think this is the last thing we should look at as the main topics content is the most important to get up in promptly so we can all read each others and give feedback but hopefully in the last 24/48 hours we can look at how we are gonna bring it all together and bookend this topic.

Thanks and as always let me know your thoughts StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 16:15, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Helpful shortcuts
Hi everyone. Feel free to post any interesting and helpful shortcuts or knowledge on how to make formatting and dealing with Wikibooks easier for all of us.

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 17:35, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Just in case, you have troubles doing interwiki links like I did some hours ago until I fugured out how it worked...

Here a short summary:

A usual link within Wiki looks like this: Article Name

But you have to add a right shortcut for the different Wiki*edia projects. So to link to a Wikipedia page you would add  and to link to Wikibooks you would add

Article Name   Article Name

Here is a list with all shortcuts: Help:Interwiki linking

Make sure to use the right title of the site/article you are linking to before the |: Article Name

If you want a different word to be shown for the link just change it after the |: Change this one

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 12:39, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, this is really useful and I definitely would have struggled StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 17:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey all,, , , , ,    , I found a few quite useful links on the topic while googling away that might be useful outside of my topic so I thought I'd better share.

http://www.digitalcultureandeducation.com/uncategorized/mallan-2009-html/

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0093650208330254 / [or access here] http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0093650208330254

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.907.6713&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Also if you simply google "online self-presentation", after the link taking you to google scholar, the third link down is a word doc download that appears on a skim read rather interesting..

Let me know if any of these links do not work and if they were useful. StuG772 (discuss • contribs) 00:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Uploading Images
Here are some useful sites on how to upload images and do the caption.

The easiest I found out (at least for me) is to use the pictures provided in the Wikimedia Commons, because they are already uploaded, you have a direct link to embed them in your article, a clear file title you can use and the copyright issues are all clear and solved.
 * Here some links:


 * Instruction on how to upload an image in a Wiki
 * Wikipedia's copyright issues/policies
 * Wikimedia Commons

I just typed a keyword in the search field of the Wikimedia Commons Page and got directed to some really nice pictures I could use.

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 21:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

This is the link to the upload wizard, it has a brief 'learn' thing at the start which is quite helpful it breaks it down simply. Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 15:58, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Referencing Style
Hi all. It just came to my mind, what sort of Referncing Style do we want to use for our Wikibook?

We would have to agree on one, so that our well-researched, structured and collected content will not look mismatched. I personally prefer the APA style, but just because I have never used any other ones.

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 19:53, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Do we also have to add the date, when we retrieved the source? --DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 09:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Are we to use the same referencing style we would use in our Film essays or are we free to pick and choose? Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 15:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * We are free to choose, I guess. There is no specific information in the module handbook about it regarding the Wiki Project. But we should use the APA convention for our second assesment, the essay. So should we simply go for it?

--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 17:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

So Wikipedia suggest using APA, Harvard or Chicago style and as everyone seems used to APA I suggest we go with that. Harvard runs a clever webpage called www.citethisforme.org and we can always shunt it through that once all the refs are in. Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 16:37, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I have a question regarding when I should reference- I have a lot of studies backing me up but I don't want to spend time on their individual studies, as there are quite a few. Would it be wrong of me to write and then mention them in brackets at the end? For example- Eggs that are large are normally 80% yolk while small eggs are only 50% (DrChick 2005) Not that either of those facts are true, but as an example I hope you get what I'm trying to get at! Hgfoster (discuss • contribs) 21:03, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I was wondering something similar. I also used the same source for different points I've made. Should I keep making references to the same article? Charleneabeana (discuss • contribs) 00:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I think it's fine to make references to the same article. If a source can make multiple point it seems fair that you would include them all. So long as there are other sources in your work overall I don't think you have to worry. as for the quick mentions, I'm not sure how that would work. The majority of our references are solely through endnotes so I feel like bracketed references might mess with the appearance of the page as a whole. I would leave the references for bigger points. Natashakirmse (discuss • contribs) 19:00, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Glossary
Add any words, which you think should appear in the Glossary on the front page. --DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 17:51, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

This is a really good idea! --Campbell Wallace (discuss • contribs) 20:51, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

A glossary wouldn't contain a definition of a person and so Goffman should not be on the list Vickthestick (discuss • contribs) 10:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Cultural Determinism
 * Digital Media
 * Information Age
 * Technological Determinism


 * I added the words and their definitions (which were mentiones above so far) to the Glossary list on the Living in a Connected World page.--DesireeSophie (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 8 March 2017 (UTC)