Talk:Living in a Connected World/Privacy in a Digital Age

ANNOUNCEMENTS! ''' REMINDER: Due date is today, March 8 at 5pm. Well done folks, that's almost the due time now and the chapter is looking good! If there's any quick edits that need to be made make sure to do them, but looking through, it looks like it's been pretty successful. Congrats everyone!''' Now we can ignore all this under here! When adding ANY content or making ANY edits to the chapter, please remember to also add your points or sub-points to the Book contributions section on the discussion page (and sign it with four tildes) so people can check out where you've added things or changed things and if any alterations need to be made then people can ping you directly to discuss these. Please make sure you read through any updated content first before adding more content, so that if you have a similar point to make with someone else you can then collaborate or expand on this so we don't end up submitting duplicated points. Also, once again to keep the discussion page organised and easy to navigate, please discuss all topic edits and such in the relevant group discussion sections (If you forget which group is doing what then check back with the group topics table. Each group might have a preference for how they organise their separate discussion sections, let's be respectful of this, but also let's try and keep things as similar as we can throughout the discussion page so it's easy to navigate for everyone). ''' REFERENCING STYLE: Please make sure your references follow the style: Author's surname, Author's first name. Year. Title of Section of Book(italicised)/Title of Book, page number (e.g. p181.) < / ref >'''. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC) ''' THEORISTS: I made a list of some of the theorists we could talk about, if anyone can add to the list with a brief description of their theorist's work then that'd be great. Here's my list, please comment if you want to take any of them: Marshall McLuhan, Raymond Williams, Zizi Papacharissi, danah boyd, Sherry Turkle, Helen Kennedy.''' EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 21:43, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Well done everyone!
We can all (hopefully) breathe a sigh of relief for now. The chapter is looking pretty good; hopefully it's what Greg was after, I feel like it's impressive; we were the largest group within the cohort, we managed to pull it altogether and I'm pretty impressed. Although, it was totally stressful and if we never have to do another project like this again it'll be too soon, but well done everyone and thanks for all the hard work! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 17:03, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Glossary

 *  Please add key terms to the glossary section in the book in alphabetical order. Just a short definition of the main ones you have used in your section.  Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 10:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Bold text Am I right in thinking we need a glossary?? If we do, we should just add a simple definition of any key words that we have used in our sections. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 09:03, 8 March 2017 (UTC) Just added a section for it, well spotted. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 09:54, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Just added ones from my section Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 10:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I thought we just needed to add the terms to the main glossary on the wikibook, not on individual chapters. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 11:57, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

'Book' Page Contributions
Thought I would put this at the top of the page for everyone's ease. Every time you post something on the 'Book' page, sign this section in the format of a list. Write what you have added/taken off/changed/fixed each time and sign your name. This isn't a contribution to the 'Book' page but just for example, and to start it off;


 * Book Page Contributions List - added by CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 14:17, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Introduction- Digital Age Definition - I have started on the definition of the digital age. I know I haven't reference properly but I haven;t got the hang of it. Ironic since I said it was easy! But I will continue to add to my information, but it's just my starting point. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 19:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Changed the name of the original Introduction section to Definitions and just put Introduction in brackets on the first section so we know we've merged those two (we can delete this afterwards, it's just so we remember that's for the intro bit). when you get the chance, could you switch your content into the Definitions section under the sub-heading Digital Age (also I don't think we're meant to sign off on the actual chapter page, just the discussion pages) -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added the Private Sphere definition and fixed your reference, it just needed a '/' in the second 'ref' at the end (bit tricky to spot). EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 17:15, 2 March 2017 (UTC) -


 * Added the Public Sphere definition -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 20:05, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added more information to the Digital Age section. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 01:19, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 *  edited your digital age markup so that it slots under the definitions section of the chapter as a sub-heading and not a stand alone heading. Did the same with the global village section but I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a sub-heading or not. Also added the { { quote | } } markup so your quote matched the same format as the ones in the previous definitions. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 13:00, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I made a start with adding topics and sub-topics into the chapter, obviously it's not set in stone order-wise and you guys can change the titles how you see fit for your own sections, I just thought it would be helpful to see the topics we're all going to be including and if there's any that need moved around or renamed or if there's any that I've missed out we can add them too. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs)


 * Added a section on privacy policies for Twitter. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a Web 2.0 sub heading for The Digital Age to remind me to go back to it to add the definition. Read a couple of chapters on it and need to go back to some notes. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 01:11, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added privacy policies for Facebook Messenger, included a bit of information about secret messages and payments through messenger (might need revising and editing). EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 12:30, 4 March 2017 (UTC) Edit: added a bit about the features of Messenger and the Secret Conversations, also changed the "Payments" and "Encrypted Messages" titles so they're longer sub-sub-sub headings. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:10, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added Instagram privacy infomation. Not sure what else to mention if anyone has any other ideas-I would be welcome to them! Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 13:01, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a short intro paragraph for our section 'Privacy and leaks' - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 15:35, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added some subsection titles for my groups section - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 16:46, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added some information to the Facebook section. Also moved part of 's info up. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 17:27, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added some more information to the Facebook section. Added some screenshots, I had more to add but they take up too much room (even as thumbnail images)Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 19:47, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added section on Yahoo! for my group's section - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 20:58, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a section for 'surveillance'. Hayleygil (discuss • contribs) 22:13, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added the "Technology as an Extension of Self and Persistent Connectivity/Fear of Missing out" sub-topics in the Privacy in relation to Living in a Connected World topic. I will start adding content to these as soon as possible, once I've organised everything I want to put in them! Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 13:25, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added information about Princeton Survey Research Associates International's survey and their statistics to "Personal Information Online" section. CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 22:03, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added further statistics to "Personal Information Online" section.  CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 13:10, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a section on the individual vs. the collective. Waiting to hear back from two other groups to see if we can expand on it. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 14:40, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added an example on negative for my group's section. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 23:26, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a biography of Zizi Papacharissi EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 13:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added More information on Instagram and Web 2.0 Definition Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 14:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Moved some images to the left. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 14:21, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a section on Helen Kennedy, will need to add a bit more to it EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:45, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a brief introduction to "Personal Information Online" CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 16:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added information to 'Filter Bubbles and The Flow of Information' section Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 17:00, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a reference to 'Filter Bubbles and The Flow of Information' section Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 17:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added hyperlinks to 'Filter Bubbles and The Flow of Information' section Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 17:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added graphic to 'Filter Bubbles and The Flow of Information' section Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 17:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a section on danah boyd and info boxes for Papacharissi and boyd (will need finishing, just getting the layout for the infoboxes sorted) EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 17:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added Marshall McLuhan bio but if anyone has anything else to add to any of them, please don't hesitate! Would be good to bulk it up. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 18:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added some information to the Google section. Still working on more information to go here. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 18:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added section on the iCloud scandal - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 19:33, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Edited the introduction to the hacking section, just slightly! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 20:00, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added more information to the Google - Search Engine section. Also alphabetised the theorists. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 20:01, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added more information to the definition of filter bubbles in the 'Filter Bubbles and The Flow of Information' section Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 20:43, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added more information in the 'Filter Bubbles and The Flow of Information' section Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 21:36, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a section on Snapchat's privacy policies. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 22:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Edited the section headings so they're no longer all under the introduction section - problem pointed out by  - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 22:20, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added Gmail information. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 22:41, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Pretty much finished both my sections on Technology as an Extension of Self/Persistent Connectivity, but need to do all my references and some glossary terms which I will do tomorrow, along with adding some more images etc. Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 22:45, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Edited redlinks of the negative section - problem pointed out by - Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 23:16, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a section and more information on Digital Labour. Eilish2 (discuss • contribs) 23:24, 7 March 2017 (UTC)Eilish2


 * Added some extra info to Google section, plus an image of the London HQ.Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 23:33, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added to the dangers of spyware section. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 23:51, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added another example on negative for my group's section. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 23:59, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Changed a heading to improve relevance. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 00:05, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added Christian Fuchs information.Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 00:12, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Fixed my references! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 00:33, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * 'Added to Internet Privacy description BrianstirlingStudent (discuss • contribs) 01:12, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added small section on Google Adsense, will finish later. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 03:43, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Finished off the "Dangers of spyware" section as well as adding an image and fixing a formatting issue with the spyware section in general. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 04:04, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added section on the 2011 PSN hack. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 05:03, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added to section on Google adsense. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 06:14, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a paragraph to the "Young public figures” section. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 08:35, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a Glossary heading as suggested. Please add key words from your sections with a brief explanation. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 09:56, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added pictures for the Private Sphere and Snapchat sections. Also added a bit more information on Snapchat's privacy policies. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 10:19, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added glossary terms for always-on, data mining, encrypted messages, authentication and private sphere. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 10:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Edited order of information in the 'Filter Bubbles and The Flow of Information' section Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 11:46, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added the term 'Filter Bubbles' to the Glossary Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 11:52, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added intro sentence to policies and settings section. Edited quote in Technology as an Extension of Self section so it matches the markup of other quotes used within the chapter. Edited the wikibook links too. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 11:54, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added glossary terms for 'Identity theft', 'Internet cookies' and 'Margin of error'. - CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 12:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Finished referencing and writing my topics on Technology as an extension of self/persistent connectivity questions. still need to add Glossary words Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 12:29, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added Privacy Policy and Public Sphere to the glossary. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 12:34, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added all current glossary terms to the main glossary in the book. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 12:44, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 *  Added text to 'Online/ Real-life Divide' section SinaOhlandt (discuss • contribs) 12:46, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added text to Internet Censorship and added references Shakeygravesbeattie (discuss • contribs) 13:05, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 *  Edited references within 'Online/ Real-life Divide section'  SinaOhlandt (discuss • contribs) 13:14, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added text to Internet Censorship and fixed references Shakeygravesbeattie (discuss • contribs) 13:31, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Proof-read the 'Filter Bubbles and the Flow of Information' section Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 14:12, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added a "back to top" link to the 'Filter Bubbles and the Flow of Information' section Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 14:30, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added an introduction for "Private vs Public persona" (written by ). EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 15:25, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added an overall introduction for our chapter, please add your sections and anything else you think might be relevant. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 15:34, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added pros and cons of internet censorship Shakeygravesbeattie (discuss • contribs) 16:14, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Finished introduction section for chapter. please post your surveillance content, we have less than an hour to finish this project. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:16, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Fixed our sections headings and slightly reworded our sections part on the main intro - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 16:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added some glossary terms from my groups section - hacking, leaks, key logging and spyware - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added text to 'Surveillance' and also added glossary term for 'IP Address'  Hayleygil (discuss • contribs) 16:34, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Fixed all book references so they match. The references in Digital Labour section don't have the name of the book, just the authors???Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added Surveillance into the intro section.Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added text to Non-celebrity hacks section under Ashley Madison data breachin "Privacy and Leaks" Dalal22 (discuss • contribs) 16:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added text to Celebrity Scandals sections in "Privacy and Leaks" Dalal22 (discuss • contribs) 16:55, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added text to Celebrity Scandals, Young Public Figures sections in "Privacy and Leaks" Dalal22 (discuss • contribs) 16:56, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added table of 20 worst countries for internet freedom Shakeygravesbeattie (discuss • contribs) 16:59, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added text underSouth Korean Stars Commit Suicide After Internet Rumours,Impact and Consequences: sections in "Privacy and Leaks" Dalal22 (discuss • contribs) 17:03, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added hyperlinks to sections Celebrity Scandals sections in "Privacy and Leaks", Young Public Figures and Non-celebrity hacks section under Ashley Madison data breachin Dalal22 (discuss • contribs) 17:07, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Book Contribution Comments

 * Ah thank you, couldn't quite figure it out. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 18:27, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Does anybody know who approves the edits? Is it Greg or is it reviewers on Wikibooks? Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 13:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure, would be good to know though. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 01:11, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * At first I thought it was Greg but then I saw the other day that someone else had approved a change in the chapter and I didn't recognise their username as one of our group members so when I checked their user page it said they're a reviewer so I was wondering if all our edits and all our work is getting looked at by a reviewer before it's accepted and published and if that makes a difference to what Greg ends up seeing when he marks our work... I hope it doesn't Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 13:41, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

To all the girls in my group GirlzOnFire - how are we splitting our section up and who's doing what? I'm trying so hard to get used to all of this and navigate my way around but feel like I'm struggling! Eilish2 (discuss • contribs) 23:50, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Eilish2

Hello friends, is there a group taking on the intro? Or are we going to do it at the end once we've done everything? I've come across a quote from one of the books I've read that might be relevant for the main intro or maybe for the definitions section?
 * Ess (2009, p.51-2) – “Privacy is thus a means for the autonomous self to develop its own sense of distinctive identity and autonomy, along with other important goods such as intimate relationships.”

Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 16:14, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I think the plan is to leave the intro until everyone has put their info in and then we can kind of sum it all up to say "This chapter of Living in a Connected World will be focusing on Privacy in a Digital Age and will explain blah blah blah (just a summarisation of each topic really), but I like that quote and I think we should definitely use it! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:56, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for adding some info on yahoo hacking and surveillance! I wasn't sure if anyone would see my change in the announcement thing and I didn't want to pester everyone and ping them whilst you're all working on other stuff haha! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 22:32, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * yeah sorry I didn't realise you'd posted that - we were already planning to do both celebrity and non-celebrity hacks - we'd been talking about it in person and sort of added it to our group section but not too much detail, we're starting to add more now though! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 22:38, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * That's okay, I've also added the topic of surveillance into the table of topics under my group CL02. Hayleygil (discuss • contribs) 23:39, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I am just finalising my topic of 'location service apps'. Does anyone need me to cover any other topic or help out in another area? Lewislbonar (discuss • contribs) 18:46, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you still looking for another topic? If so, could you talk a bit about some theorists? Either one that you've looked into or one of the ones on the page already. Cheers! EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 15:43, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys, just wondering how formal everyone is being when they are writing in their chapters? Wikipedia is quite a factual environment so I'm not sure if we can use "we" or "I" when writing or if it should stay more formal. Thanks Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 12:36, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * @Cathym97 I agree keep it formal. Avoid speaking in the 1st or 2nd person maybe.. Lewislbonar (discuss • contribs) 12:40, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey the links you've added into the section of the chapter you posted earlier are showing up as redlinks and I'm wondering if you knew what the issue was? Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:24, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for pointed it out and I fixed it. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 23:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi guys, I think the project is really coming together! One point, I think ALL of the information is appearing under the 'Introduction', I was just wondering what the consensus was on this? Thanks Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 21:41, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I think I can fix that! - the sub headings are a lower level of title - gimme a minute! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 22:14, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * that should be it sorted! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 22:17, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Fab! Thanks :) Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 13:25, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi guys can someone help me out - I thought I was doing the referencing right but when I reference a web page it looks weird - it just comes up with a number in brackets and doesn't have the link or anything. Some of them came up with a full link but some of them don't - and the numbers do link to the web page but yeah don't know why it's come up like that! Was wondering if anyone knows what's gone wrong! Thanks - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 23:45, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I think the format is Page text. [Your URL Link text (name of the website or title)], additional text. < / ref > and no space between. Does it make sense? Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 00:01, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * thank you! I'll get that edited now! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 00:05, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Theorists
Hey everyone, I've stuck this as near to the top as I can get to save us scrolling and stuff... basically, without sounding rude, can some more people get to work on writing a little bit about the theorists you've come across in your readings for each section you're working on and add them into the Theorists section on the chapter, please. So far has covered/is covering two or three and  is currently working on McLuhan and I'm gonna be looking into Christian Fuchs. It would be good to show the theorists linking to the topics of privacy we've discussed in the chapter and if there's any information you can add to the ones already done (or being worked on) then ping away and get editing and such. Thank you all! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 18:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC) And I'm really confused on McLuhan's theories if anyone wants to add something-if they can make sense of it. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 22:19, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Intro Section - ALL GROUPS JUMP IN HERE FOR ME PLEASE
Hello, me again, I'm a nuisance I know. Basically, we need all groups to kind of summarise here briefly what their sections are discussing and then we can just mash it all together nice for the intro. I was thinking it could just start out pretty simply like "In this chapter of Living in a Connected World the idea of Privacy in a Digital Age will be explored and in particular, the relation between privacy and the online persona that web users build using particular apps..." and just something along those lines (TEKnology can we quickly summarise our section in some way here too!  Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 23:43, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * good idea, I've got some quotes I can use that really help summarise privacy and persona from Fuchs -A good starting point. Will upload them tomorrow. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 00:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * hi I've posted a wee draft up of our section of the intro in the section for BeyondTheFringe - quite short at the moment. My group is gonna add to it and edit it by tomorrow and then we can add it to the book. - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 00:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * "“Social media has introduced a new dimension to the well worn fights over private place and personal expression.”
 * "Privacy is the claim of individuals, groups or institutions to determine for themselves when, how and to what extent information about them is communicated to others"
 * Privacy settings allows the user, in this sense to take control of their information. However, the extent is that the user is still sharing the information with the corporate site. Depending on what they share with the public, can convey a persona. It could be argued that individuals cannot always 'determine for themselves' as social media sites such as Facebook and Google require an amount if information about the user before they can 'log in'. Furthermore, users can be influenced by others on social media to share certain images or information.  Just a little something but  I think the boyd quote is a good starting point for an introduction. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 09:31, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

My main section talks about what personal information is available online, the dangers of the visibility of this information (what has actually happened to people) and the actions online users have taken to avoid potential threats. These are supported by Survey results. I also explained security levels of online shops and banks, and explored the risks of them. CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 12:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good! My group's topic discusses how privacy relates to the other chapters in the book in an effort to bring everything together Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 13:28, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Good idea guys, my main topic was discussing how governments like China and Myanmar use internet censorship to keep control and suppress users from viewing undesirable information. I'm also going to add a table or graph showing other internet censorship for different countries. thanks Shakeygravesbeattie (discuss • contribs) 13:39, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

'''Just got the ball rolling with the overall intro, if you can add your sections in the right order that will be fab. Cheers!''' EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 15:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * - thank you for doing that, it looks great. I just edited my group's section just slightly! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 16:19, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * No worries, the book looks really good now! EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi everyone
Greg said there's 17 of us all working on this one section of the Wikibook so I think it would be a good idea for us all to start bouncing some ideas around on which topics we should include in the chapter and then we can all do some reading and start deciding who wants to work on which topic. Obviously if there's extra bits of info that we may be able to contribute to a topic another group or individual is working on then we can suggest edits (it shouldn't cause any issues because any work originally contributed will be listed in our contribution histories anyways, so Greg can check that out later and see the different contributions where appropriate).

I think since there's such a large number of us working on this one chapter things might get hectic if we don't keep the discussion page organised too, so maybe when we want to discuss something new we can 'add topic' rather than just edit the original topic so that we can see clearly where one discussion ends and another starts. I think we can produce a really good chapter and get some really good engagement marks if we all make sure to communicate clearly to each other throughout the project and we make sure we're all aware what we're doing before we start posting content and making edits to the chapter itself.

I'm in the group TEKnology with and. Maybe we should start off by all saying hey and letting each other know which groups we're in (I know there's a list currently on Succeed but it wouldn't hurt to build up some of those extra engagement marks by having a little intro session!). --Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 21:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, it's a good idea to get started sooner rather than later. I was going to spend this week reading some of the suggested chapters on the resource list and build some ideas in relation to privacy and go from there. -- EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 23:53, 20 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi all, sounds good to me. Definitely agree about planning before we start posting. I'm in the team BeyondTheFringe from CL04! I've just made a wee table with everyone's usernames in it. I thought it might be helpful instead of going between here and the document from Succeed. Also, it should (hopefully) send a notification to everyone so in case anyone didn't know where the page was - here it is! hi! :) Feel free to get rid of the table if it's pointless though, it was just a thought!


 * Also - who added the 'back to top' thing? That's genius! We should put that on all the sections, I feel this page will get very long with 17 people contributing! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 15:35, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi I found the 'back to top' markup on another page and I thought it'd be useful since, like you said, there'll be a lot of content to have to scroll all the way to the top again! Also that table is a great idea, it's makes things much clearer because now everyone can see who is in what group! How did you make the table if you don't mind me asking? I've seen a few people using tables here and there and I can't get my head around them. -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 19:55, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi you see at the top of the text box where you type there's the bar with like "Heading" "Text Type" "Format" etc.? The last little image on there should be a wee picture of a table, just along from where it says "Insert". I just clicked on that and then a popup box comes up asking how many columns and rows and then the template for the table gets pasted in and you just replace the text where it says "example" or "header text" with your own text! It was quite weird to edit because it doesn't look like a table in the editing bit - it's just some lines and dashes so you have to keep checking you're in the right column. But you can also do the "show preview" to make sure it looks okay before you save it, which I did, a lot... Hope that makes sense! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 15:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Group Topics
I was thinking we could maybe do a table after we've split all the topics up between groups so we can see clearly which groups are covering which aspects of privacy and that way we can ping the appropriate people, thoughts? For example:

Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 12:29, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 15:29, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Shakeygravesbeattie (discuss • contribs) 14:32, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Added our ideas on behalf of my group. - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 16:07, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

'''Please add your main topics and sub-topics to the appropriate column in the above table so we all can see clearly what each group will be covering and that way any overlaps can be collaborated on or people can switch up which topics they're doing. Thank you!''' Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 14:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Please see above. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 14:46, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

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Planning
Hi guys, I thought we could put our ideas for topics in this section. If you use the subheadings, we can separate all the ideas to keep on top of everything. Then once we've got some ideas we could have bigger sections ("Add Topic") for each section of the main body, and the intro and conclusion - so we can discuss each in more detail, talk about changes etc. What do you guys think? - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 16:01, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a great idea, if we keep the discussion page as organised as possible we'll be able to keep track of everything we need to be focusing on for the chapter! Also I was just thinking (and I know I'm early in thinking this because we need to come up with the topics first before we even think about putting content into the chapter but) when we first start contributing to the chapter we should sign off our edits with our usernames so if there's any changes to be made we can ping each other in the discussion page with the suggestions and work collaboratively that way and then for the final stretch of finishing off the chapter we can get rid of all the usernames. By that point we might already be more aware of who is doing what section so we won't need to sign off sections anyways, but I think it may be useful to start with in case we find any extra info for a section we're not working on we can find the right people to suggest it to and such. What does everyone think? -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 20:02, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I think this is a really good idea. TEKnology (my group) were wanting to look at privacy in terms of how it affects online presence (That's right? right?) But if we all have a read and get to grips with the actual overall topic we can collect all of our ideas and find a way through this. So I think while we all read we need to think:


 * What main topics could we cover?
 * What sub-topics can be discussed?
 * Maybe we could put these as topics on here so people can add bullet points? Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 22:46, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * that sounds good to me! The only thing is - do you mean we should sign off on the main page of the book? I think Greg said that you're not supposed to do that, like on the main page bit - it's just the Discussion page that you're meant to sign off on, just like that's the Wiki convention. So instead we could have a section in the Discussion where you can add a note of what you've done just like:


 * Title of section - added by Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs)


 * Something like that? Because I agree, I think it would be good to keep track of who's doing what as you say cause it'll be easier to discuss changes/additions etc. Thoughts?


 * Also: - that sounds good! yeah if we all start researching it generally then hopefully people will start to find things they want to explore in more detail and we'll be able to break off into more specific sections. That's good that you guys have already found something you're interested in! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 15:26, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree with is idea of adding in new topics and   mentioned to our group section  privacy in terms of how it affects online presence i would like to suggest a section about hacking for example because the breaches peoples privacy's and another good topic idea is celebrities or famous people and their privacy of information online. I think for the hacking section we can write about recent events that a few organised groups revealed privet information and how those groups emerge and affect privacy in the political aspects. What do you think? Dalal22 (discuss • contribs) 09:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I had a thought that maybe we could do a questionnaire or a survey on Facebook to get an idea of how people's privacy settings differ. Just an idea, thought it could add something to the Wikibook. --EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 11:41, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi guys, I like that idea about hacking! You should add that to the list below! and  I like that idea too, add that to the list!
 * Once we've got a big list of ideas we can start splitting them up for who wants to do what, what do you guys think? - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 11:52, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Good idea ! If anyone is stuck on what to start reading, there's a book on the reading list called A Private Sphere by Papacharissi, Zizi A.  Chapter 2 is a good starting point as it talks about the definitions of public vs. private. --EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 12:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey I really like that idea, I think we should look at starting to do a survey now though since we don't have too much time left. -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 11:39, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I've taken the liberty of doing a few minor edits to this part of the discussion page because as I was reading through I was finding it hard to follow with people's comments being indented differently so I've kept the main sort of comment as it is and then just indented following comments by two so then we can see where the next kind of conversation starts... maybe... I don't know, it might confuse everyone more so feel free to alter it! Also sorry for disappearing for a couple of days, I was doing other assignments but I'm back to wikibook it up, and I see has added my suggestion on behalf of me, thank you! What does everybody else think of looking at the different privacy settings of different social media sites and apps we use and if we can edit what we show to other users? I looked into Snapchat's privacy policy when I did my second wiki exercise and I found I clicked 'yes' to a lot of things in the terms and conditions section without being totally okay with it. (Did that make sense?) -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 11:37, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you, it was starting to get confusing! So new conversation - no indent, and then indent the replies from there yeah? I like your idea about privacy settings - we could take screenshots of the apps/their sites and embed them into the book for that section, what do you think? - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 11:43, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem, and yeah, perfect! It looks a bit easier to follow now than when there was comments all over the place! That's what I was thinking too, it could be a separate topic or even sub-topic about what we're accepting when we click yes to the terms and conditions. I was hoping I'd find something online, like some smart academic person debating whether the sites should be using our extra info that they collect through our conversations and things but I've had no luck so far. -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 12:13, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * {ping|Tinytalia}} Yeah I'm finding it difficult with the reading so far to be honest, that's why I've been doing more of this organisation stuff haha! I just thought actually, the privacy settings thing might be a good thing to start the main body with, sort of like our personal experience/a more empirical look, like the survey mentioned, and then back it up with some academic writing and then move on to the more like academic stuff from it, just as a way to get things going? I dunno though, just a thought! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 14:02, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm currently just skimming through some of the reading from the resource list. I think the organisation part is just as key though, so well done haha! I'm a bit concerned only 6 out of the 17 of us have come on here though, I'm hoping when uni starts up again next week people will remember wikibook exists and start sharing ideas too because we don't have a lot of time to start splitting up topics and fleshing out the chapter. Yeah that sounds like a good idea, I'm not sure how it would work out yet though because I think we're meant to stay neutral when we're posting in the book so we might not be able to write about our own experiences, but with the survey we can use the statistics gathered from there and put it in a table alongside some info about privacy and users sharing their own information -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 14:28, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * yeah I'm thinking people have forgotten about it cause it's not something we've done before really. Oh yeah that's true actually, I forgot about it being neutral. I'm sure it'll start getting more fleshed out as we go and a sort of flow will develop, if that makes sense! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 14:32, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey I saw you've been doing some research on personal information online and I was wondering if I could suggest possible sub-topics for that. By the sounds of it you're looking at the personal information people choose to share online and I was thinking we could also include online shopping and banking in this because the information such as card details and addresses we give when we set up accounts on online shopping sites like Amazon and eBay are kept so when we login they're ready to be used again and we could look at why this is and if it is entirely safe. I know that was interested in hacking and I think this could link up as there are risks of hackers gaining this information. Thoughts? -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 15:53, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Yep, that sounds like a great idea. I feel like we could write quite a lot about that sub topic. We could compare big websites such as Amazon or even Dominos to local food takeaway sites and examine the security of both and talk about the level of trust from the customer. I know some companies are known to sell on personal information such as phone numbers or home addresses to other organisations to send their promotional 'offers' without consent. This could be an interesting talking point. CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 16:07, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * It's good you already know a few companies like that, we should definitely use those as examples too! I'm trying to find some reading on the ethics of selling on information for promotional purposes so that could be mentioned in there somewhere too. -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:15, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello everyone! Was just wanting to say that we've had the idea to do our section in a way that relates to the rest of the other topics in the overall book; so pretty much 'how privacy relates to living in a connected world. Being strictly honest - we're still messing about with the title, but we may settle for something similar. So in our section we'll look into how privacy affects things like the online and real-life divide, or how privacy aids or hinders the whole idea of the extension of self etc... this just means that we'll be able to chat to some of the other groups doing those topics too and whether they've considered the privacy too SinaOhlandt (discuss • contribs) 16:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey everyone! Writing up my section on my laptop and I just had a thought - do you think I'd be able to bring in the Surveillance sub-topic into my online/ real-life divide section? I think I might be able to find a way to make it a sub-heading or a good part of the section, so I'm just looking for extra ideas, or a general go ahead with it! SinaOhlandt (discuss • contribs) 14:25, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * hey there, I think is looking into surveillance. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm doing surveillance as a main topic, but if you have anything you think is important to add then just let me know. Hayleygil (discuss • contribs) 16:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Cool, thanks for letting me know - I don't have too much on surveillance at the moment in my section, just the general stuff... I had a bit of a feeling someone might have picked it up so I didn't go too far into it. SinaOhlandt (discuss • contribs) 12:26, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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What main topics could we cover?
Sub-sections so we can start adding ideas, as suggested by. To make a bullet point just add an asterisk * at the start of the sentence!

I've started to look up and do research on


 *  Personal Information Online - What kinds of information? What is available? Who are users trying to protect their personal info from?


 *  What "Online Privacy" Means to The Public

CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 15:46, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Just a few rough ideas, haven't had a chance to look into them yet (some can be moved to sub-topics):


 *  Privacy Laws (TTIP, SOPA, mass surveillance in the UK)


 *  Location services on apps (could link to personal information online)


 *  Adverts that are tailored to individual people


 *  Internet censorship in certain countries? i.e. North Korea, China etc.


 * Survey/Questionnaire on Internet Privacy(TEKnology have done this)Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 12:18, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Surveillance (check out lecture slides from this week as a place to start Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 13:07, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Different privacy policies/settings on different apps (TEKnology)


 * Private vs. Public in relation to the Individual vs. Collective - could link up with the groups doing the collective hive mind for this one?

EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 23:46, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Password protection on everything - not just online on social media but on our actual devices - taking privacy to an extreme? - fingerprint recognition on phones? Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 15:17, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Privacy in relation to public figures and celebrity - including hacking and leaks of personal information of public figures. - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 16:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Comments and additional ideas

 * Could each group pick one of these (or add some extras of their own) and then dissect it for each member?


 * If I could take the survey results and link them to Private vs. Public and Individual vs. Collective, that would be great. And our group (TEKnology) are looking into how privacy affects online presence so we can link that together too. -EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 15:17, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Are these the main topics we're going for? Like, do you want us from the other groups to choose some of these or should the other groups come up with some too cause my group hasn't added any (i'm struggling with starting tbh!) and i don't want to add too many more now cause we've got quite a lot! I'm finding this project quite difficult to be honest, I feel like when I try to come up with ideas they're too much like the other topics and I keep getting confused - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 12:46, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * it would be nice if some other groups could come up with some topics too, I've noticed group 2 have already selected a few topics from the list here so unfortunately the next two groups might have to come up with some new ideas if we run out of topics, but hopefully people have already been doing their own research during reading week. If you're struggling to come up with any new ideas and there don't seem to be any left by the time all the labs are out, then maybe have a look through the group discussion pages at the bottom and see what people are discussing in there and if there's anything you think you could help contribute to, ask to collaborate. Other than that I can't really suggest much else, sorry! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 14:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * okay, thank you, that makes sense! Starting to get some ideas now so I'm just starting to add them here and I'll start on my group's section below. Argh, this is the second time I've typed this out cause my wifi decided to stop working. - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 15:40, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * We (group 3) are going to have our main topic as how privacy relates to living in a connected world, so we are going to take a topic each from the other wiki chapters and link privacy to them. So for example one sub topic would be on how privacy fits into "Technology as an extension of self" etc.

Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 16:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey, my group BeyondTheFringe are going to focus on privacy in relation to celebrity and public figures. So like about hacking and leaking personal information of public figures. A sub-topic would be some major scandals like the iCloud one, the Ashley Madison scandal. - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 16:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * On top of what my group (Team Camz) are already doing, we're going to look at 'surveillance' as well. Hayleygil (discuss • contribs) 22:25, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

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What sub-topics can be discussed?
Sub-sections so we can start adding ideas, as suggested by. To make a bullet point just add an asterisk * at the start of the sentence!


 * A brief history of the internet - a bit of background, how it has transformed, what it's like today

EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 11:24, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Theorists who have researched the differences between private and public spheres - (from Chapter 2 of a Private Sphere) e.g. Locke, Smith, Hobbes, and Bentham (pp31) & Ariés and Tönnies (pp33)


 * Online shopping and banking - is it safe? where is our info stored? hacking? ethics of selling on info? - to link in with and 's ideas. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:20, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Online privacy Vs public persona- How it influences followers and viewers. I have been looking into instagram a bit following up on the reading of Papacharissi, Zizi A.. A Private Sphere (  Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 21:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Whistleblowers and Wikileaks, information that was private becoming public - possibly better as a sub-topic of surveillance? Edward Snowden, etc. (Christian Fuchs' book has a chapter on Wikileaks for anybody that is interested in covering this topic) Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 13:07, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Comments and additional ideas
This would be contain the viewpoint of this generations: Baby Boomers, Generation X and Generation Y. It also would contain the behavior of this generations with there privacy at social media platforms. Melissa0908 (discuss • contribs) 14:42, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello Guys, I would like to write something about the privacy from the viewpoint of generations. Do you think this could be another sub-topic?


 * Hi Melissa, has carried out a survey to find out people's views on their privacy on social media and so far she has a range of different age groups that have responded. You could maybe see about collaborating or bringing in some theory to support the findings. You'll have to discuss it amongst yourselves, I know Emily has already made a start on the findings from the survey and I'm not sure if she plans to talk about Baby Boomers, Generation X and Generation Y so you'll have to double check with her! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 14:59, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * You had wrote something about the privacy settings, right? I would like write about which information they are sharing, like pictures of their room and their political views. Do you think we can connect our topics? Or do you think we should separate them? Melissa0908 (discuss • contribs) 15:19, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Melissa, feel free to use some of the data from the survey as some of the questions relate to privacy settings, but I haven't looked into the topic very extensively. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful! --EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:43, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Structure of Chapter
Hey guys, I've been having a nosy through the other chapters of the wikibook to see if any of them have made a start on their content or set out their structures and a few of them have already. It got me thinking of how we're going to structure our own chapter and which order our topics should come in. I think that naturally the first things that should appear are the definitions of private and public spheres and digital age (just because that's obviously the basis for all our topics) but I'm not sure what should follow on from that.


 * TEKnology's main topic is Private vs Public Persona - Sub-topics are privacy policies and settings of apps and sites; individual vs collective


 * Team Camz' main topics are Location Services on Apps; Privacy Laws; Surveillance; Internet Censorship; Peronal Information Online - Sub-topic is online shopping and banking


 * #GirlzOnFire's main topic is how privacy relates to living in a connected world - Sub-topics are online/real-life divide, filter bubbles (please elaborate on etc. in the group topics table so we all know the other chapters you guys are going to focus on)


 * BeyondTheFringe's main topic is Privacy and celebrity including leaking celebrity/popular figures' information. Related to consequences rather than the regulations. - Sub-topics will include examples of scandals (also, just a suggestion if you guys are up for it, someone could look into leaking of regular people's information too as there are other instances of hackings and leaks other than celebrity scandals that can be covered such as the yahoo incident - there were 1 billion user accounts hacked: 'biggest data breach in history')

I've been trying to think of the best way to organise our topics so that the chapter reads well and I thought that maybe the #GirlzOnFire topic would maybe work well towards the end of the chapter as a summarisation of how privacy links in with the other chapters. I'm not really sure though, does anybody have any thoughts or suggestions? Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:20, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * this looks good, we can come to a formal conclusion of the page more closer as we start to see this take shape. Once we see what information we all have we will be able to summarise quickly and concisely. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 12:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I think we should try and organise at least some sort of draft structure before we all put in our content here and there, I've noticed you already put some content into the chapter but I was thinking that our definitions should maybe go below the introduction section as the introduction section seems like a good place to just state what this chapter will be looking at. I just think it would be good coming up with the structure sooner rather than having to go through at the end to edit and rearrange things because then there'll probably be a few edit conflicts if we do that, too. (Edited.)-Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 21:00, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * yes, good idea, we can get a draft version and then copy and paste the final one. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 12:34, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was meant, sub heading. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 21:27, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay cool I thought it might have been haha, the chapter is looking good so far, we've made a good start! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 21:54, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

An example:
Hey so I did like a quick example type thing, I think we can merge the "Privacy in a Digital Age" section and "Introduction" section on the chapter as it stands - I'm sure another group has already done something similar. Since I'm still not sure which topics should go in which order I just wrote like topic 1 and then sub-topic 1 and 2 and so on just in case my rambling above didn't make sense (I feel like I confuse people more when I try and explain things so I thought it might be good to just do a quick thing to show you all what I meant in case it confused anyone, sorry if I did!)



-Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 21:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I like it! Once we start adding more content I think we'll start to see what order makes sense. - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 15:19, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey, yeah that's very true. I'm just stressing out over things because the due date is coming up next week and I'm worried we won't get it all organised and that we might end up with lots of edit clashes and I don't want people losing all their hard work. If we all make sure we copy any of our work (including any markups used in the editing pages) to a word document so that if any editing conflicts happen we have a back up of everything then it's all good. I'm spooked as hell, wikibooks stresses me out (GREG, WHY?) -Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 15:32, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * yeah I feel that stress! Don't worry, we'll get there. My group are meeting up soon and going to add content together to try and spare edit clashes - I don't know if other groups have similar plans? Yeah, definitely keep your contributions copied somewhere else, folks! It is quite daunting just now but it'll all be good! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 15:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * It should hopefully all work out by Wednesday, I'm just gonna cram as much as I can over the next few days to get some decent content done and then I'll speak to my group and see if they want to do something similar to yours to see if we can spare edit clashes too! (Stick that idea in your group discussion section and have a wee conversation about it to build up extra engagement marks too haha!) Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 17:52, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Do we have a draft place where we can add our information other than the actual book? Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 22:43, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * No I don't think we do, if anyone has suggestions we can just mention them here. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 13:06, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Markup for linking wikibook chapters
Hey guys, I found a markup for linking wikibook chapters and also for linking different sections of our chapter together. See here for an explanation! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 20:16, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

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Survey
Hello, I made a quick questionnaire in SurveyMonkey. Here's a direct link. I will share it on Facebook as well, so if you can ask as many people as you can to take part, that'd be great! It only takes a minute and should really help with our research for the Wikibook. We can also make graphs and charts to link the demographic results (age and gender) with the way people use social media. I'll post a list of the questions here as well:


 * 1) What is your age?
 * 2) What is your gender?
 * 3) Which of the following social networking sites do you currently have an account with?
 * 4) On a typical day, how many hours do you spend looking at content on a social networking account?
 * 5) How easy do you think it is to modify your settings on your social networking websites?
 * 6) Do you use social media more for public posting or private messaging?
 * 7) Can strangers see your Facebook page?
 * 8) Are your followers/friends on social media people you know or strangers?
 * 9) Any additional comments?

--EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 13:04, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Comments and additional ideas

 * Great idea! I've shared the survey with my friends. It will be interesting to see the results. I expect to see pretty similar answers with each age range. CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 15:38, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! There have been 50 responses so far, so I'll put the results up here once we get 100 (hopefully). I've posted it to the University Freshers page, but it's still pending approval so there will probably be more responses after that. --EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 17:32, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Fantastic! I will share it too. I have a good connection with bloggers, some who earn their living off the internet, would be interested to hear their views. So many people online share what many would consider 'private issues' but also there was a bad case of hacking through wordpress accounts which affected many bloggers. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 00:01, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * That's amazing, their opinions will be really helpful! So far the number of responses is in the 80s, it's looking good! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 14:50, 26 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I was thinking maybe you could look into the Wordpress hacking that mentioned just above. What do you think? Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 12:39, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I've had a look at the survey results and will post them in the next hour or so with a few comments on some of the trends. Hopefully the results will help towards supporting our ideas with evidence and linking to privacy in general. Feel free to add any comments or averages if you like. I will also upload pictures of the graphs to the Wiki Commons and attempt to format them on the page. Again, feel free to edit and reformat what I've done if needs be. --EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 12:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * this is great, thank you so much for doing that! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 12:42, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * No worries, I hope some of the data can help in some way! --EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Survey Results
We conducted an online survey which took place over the weekend of the 25th February and received 100 responses. The survey asked questions about privacy settings on social media and how the participants engage with these networks. The following is a short breakdown of the results and an explanation of how they will be applied to the rest of the research on the Wikibook.

''' What is your gender? '''

In response to the gender question, 73% who answered were female, while the other 24% were male and 3% answered with other or preferred not to say. Again, this polarisation could be the nature of our own friend lists, or it could just be coincidence.

''' What is your age? '''

The survey received a range of results from different age groups, but the vast majority of those who answered were between 18 and 24 years old (57% of the total participants). This could perhaps be due to the friends on our Facebook pages being of the same age range, or it could also be that younger people are more likely to be active on social networks.

''' Which of the following social networking websites do you currently have an account with? '''



After the simple age/gender questions, there was a tick box question which asked which social networking websites the participants had accounts with. 99% of the participants had Facebook, while the second highest was Instagram with 78% with Twitter and Snapchat on 69% and 65% respectively. The lowest scoring website was MySpace with only 2%.

 Other Questions 

The next section will explore the rest of the questions while linking to the demographical data from participants. The final five questions were:


 * On a typical day, how many hours do you spend looking at content on a social networking account?
 * How easy do you think it is to modify your settings on your social networking websites?
 * Do you use social media more for public posting or private messaging?
 * Can strangers see your Facebook page?
 * Are your followers/friends on social media people you know or strangers?

From this, we noticed several trends in relation to age in particular:

 17 and under - 34 

Those under the age of 34 all said their privacy settings were extremely easy to moderately easy to modify, the vast majority saying it was very easy to change them (50%).

The majority of them said that strangers could not see their profile pages and it largely depends on the platform when it comes to posting/messaging and whether or not their followers are friends/strangers.

They tended to spend more time than the older participants on social media, with an average of 4 hours a day.

In addition, there were 386 boxes checked for the social media accounts they have. It’s important to note that there were more younger people answering the survey, so data will be somewhat biased. However, when looking at the individual results, younger people tended to have a broader online presence by having accounts with more than one social network.

 35 and over 

Those over the age of 35, there was a range of answers for the privacy settings question, but the most common one was moderately easy at 57%.

While both older and younger people said they mostly use social media to private message, the younger participants tended to answer more often that it depended on the platform. Interestingly, the majority of the older people’s followers were people they knew, and none of them answered strangers. Younger people however did specify that it depended on the platform, indicating again and supporting the argument that they have a wide range of online media networks.

Older people generally weren’t sure if strangers could see their facebook page, while younger people were more decisive.

They spend on average 2.5 hours on social media per day, with none answering over 6 hours.

There were only 102 boxes checked for the question regarding the social media they use. Looking through individual responses showed that older people only had accounts with a few social networks (on average).

Here's the data from the last few questions of the survey. I will probably upload the rest of the survey in a similar format at some point (feel free to re-format the tables, they're not perfect and I'm not sure how to make the look better).

--EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

This was a really great idea! Where abouts in the chapter will the results be going? There are one or two statistics I think could link really well into what I'm talking about, would it be ok if I just add them into my topic? I've found some other surveys already completed online that have similar questions and results so I can always just use them if we would prefer to just have this in the one place in the chapter. Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 13:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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Group Discussion - TEKnology
- this will be the planning and discussion section for this group.

Main topic/s:

 * Private vs. Public Persona

Sub-Topics:

 * Policies and Settings of Apps and Sites


 * Individual vs. Collective

Discussion Section:

 * So which topics do we want to cover? --EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 12:34, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay so how about we start by splitting up the definitions? I'm happy to take whichever, so if you guys have any preferences then go ahead and pick one! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 12:36, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * So if we split up the definitions of public and private sphere, and maybe something else, we can add that to the introduction to get the ball rolling. Could I look into private sphere? --EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 12:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I'll take digital age definition and look into the apps along with . We will look into instagram, snapchat and how they effect the persona. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 12:40, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay cool, I'll look into the individual vs. collective in relation to the reading from A Private Sphere as well as the definition for that. --EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 12:46, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Awesome, I'll take Public Sphere! I'm looking into the policies of different social media sites and apps still and how users can change their settings to suit them, I'm happy to collaborate on the apps with you Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 12:56, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey guys, I've been reading up on Public Sphere and it's possibly because I've been reading through that much stuff, but it's starting to not make any sense... Have either of you come across it in any of your readings? If there's anything in particular you might have skimmed through which could be helpful could you let me know? Thanks team! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 17:08, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Have a look at Fuch's chapter on the public sphere. chapter called Twitter and democracy: A new public sphere? It says what it is and gives you theoriests to research who came up with the idea. Basically, a public sphere is a concept of the notion of communication. The public sphere is part of society as a way of debating but it has now transferred online as we now share everything online and use that to communicate. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 18:09, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey, I just had a look through my notes on the chapter from A Private Sphere, and page 38 mentions how the public space has somehow ceased to be a meaningful space for the expression of political identity. On page 33, Papacharissi argues that sociability explains how private and public spheres provide the stages across which social behaviours of the individual unfold. So you could talk about how people present themselves in the online public space and how it can shape different identities? I'm about to start writing up on the private sphere, so we can probably collaborate with that.
 * An idea for the structure could be that we start with simple definitions, an etymology of the words (chapter 2 of Papacharissi's book is very useful in terms of the historical context), then move on to the advantages and disadvantages of each, then finish with how the terms can be applied in a present day context. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 22:38, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, thank you! I'll check it out tonight and see if I can make some sort of attempt at notes and then write it up tomorrow! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 22:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey, that sounds good, I'll check that chapter out and make some notes, then I'll make a start at writing up tomorrow. I'll let you know how I get on and I could send through what I get done so we can see about any links we make between the two. Thank you! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 22:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I was speaking to Katie from the other group in the structure section just now and their group is planning to meet up before they post their content to see if they can all work it out so there's no edit clashes, I was wondering if you guys wanted to do something similar or when we're ready to put content on and we've done a lot of work to it we can just ping each other to let us know when we're gonna go ahead and do it and maybe we won't clash either! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 17:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Sorry I missed this yesterday, that sounds like a good idea. I'm free all day today as well as Monday and Tuesday next week if we want to meet up. We can always use Google Docs to ensure we don't have any editing clashes, but meeting up face to face might be a good way to organise things. (P.S. I added bullet points to each new comment so it makes it easier to differentiate between them all, feel free to remove if needs be.) EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 10:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey so I've just been thinking, there's quite a few sites and apps to go through and so far I've made a list of Google, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat and Instagram (if there's any other suggestions I'm happy to look into those too). I was thinking that maybe we could split these up and each have a bash at checking out their different privacy policies and such. I've already focused mainly on Google and Facebook and Snapchat so if either of you want to have a go at Twitter and Instagram and perhaps even help me out with Facebook that'd be awesome. We could split Facebook into the actual website and then the Messenger app! Thoughts? Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 20:51, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Great idea! Could I take Twitter and have a look at their privacy policies? Like you said, it would be a good idea to split Facebook as it is such a broad topic area. As I covered the private sphere, shall I take the Messenger app and talk about it in relation to that? And someone else could cover the public sphere in relation to the Facebook newsfeed? EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 20:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Sounds good, I was thinking we could look into the sneaky secret messages update they added to messenger not that long ago too, and it would definitely fit with you looking more at the private side of things. I'm happy to continue on as I am with Facebook newsfeed since I looked into public, I could compare the settings and the way you can make your posts private and public! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 20:59, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Cracking, I'll look into encrypted messages and yeah we can colloborate on Facebook when we've both gotten some things written down. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 21:09, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Are we going to discuss how the privacy settings fit into the persona online? Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 00:45, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I mean we could just mention how the different privacy settings allow users to build up an online persona which could be different to or the same as their real life persona and then we could do a little link back to the online/real-life divide chapter Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 13:38, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * We could just do a summary section at the end of the privacy policies bit? Summarise how each social network has similar ways of collecting data (cookies, Google Anayltics etc.) and how it links to the online persona. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:54, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * yeah we could do that, I don't mind, I think so long as we tie it all up in some way to show that there's a link between privacy and online persona Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:59, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Shall we tie our section up to online persona with either an intro or a conclusion? EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 21:17, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * sounds like a good idea, how do you think it all ties in? I was thinking the way we have the ability to change certain settings on some of the apps and sites allows people to create and online persona that could be very different to the person they are online (I also read somewhere that it could also mean people are more like how they appear online than in real life but I can't remember where I found that reading but if I find it again we could comment on it and just pop in a quick link to the online/irl divide page) Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 22:10, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * We could link it with the online/offline divide chaps. And like you said how people are different online than offline (online inhibition, lecture from week 7 I think). The policy that keeps cropping up in all these apps is that the collection of the data is for the benefit of the user, so we could talk about data mining and how it's collected to tailor specific ads to certain users etc. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 22:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * We can also maybe jazz up the Definitions section with an image or two. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 22:20, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * We could and there'll definitely be some links between the privacy we can control and what we post online. And what we post online builds up our online persona. It's like a domino effect. I'm just talking about the data collection being used for ads with Google right now and I also have a link to somewhere where somebody said that if the product is free then you are the product, so we have access to these sites for free and therefore our data becomes the product that these sites offer to advertisers who want to send ads specifically to users who would be interested. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 22:22, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I lowkey wanted to stick some images there but I wasn't sure if it would look good or not. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 22:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Each app and site I think effects the ability of persona- so shouold we have an overall conclusion or a mini conclusion on each app linking it to persona? Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 22:31, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I think we should just summarise it all at the top under the policies and settings header or maybe in the overall heading of privacy persona bit? Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 22:39, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * As one big paragraph from each of our sites? Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 22:46, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * you see how you in essays sometimes it's easier to write the main body of it and then go back to write the intro and be all like "in this essay I'll talk about blah blah blah", we can just have a section before we get into talking about the apps just saying something along the lines of "In this section of the chapter, Privacy in a Digital Age, the policy and settings of numerous popular social media apps and websites will be looked into and, in regards to their influence on the online persona of their users, blah blah blah" or something like that Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 22:52, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I like that plan Talia, just a short intro introducing our section and how it links to online persona. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 22:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Ah, I get it! Okay, if we all write something, maybe based on our finding then bring it all together and edit it? Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 23:18, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Added something to intro section on the discussion page. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 09:33, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Cool, I'll add a bit about the section I wrote on. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 09:38, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Group Discussion - Team Camz
Use this section of the discussion page to discuss in your group whichever topic/s you guys decide on! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 12:49, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

After a computer lab discussion we have designated topics across the group members. I am focusing on 'location services on apps'. If any of you guys have any information on the subject, feel free to chip in. Lewislbonar (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I'll be covering Privacy Laws BrianstirlingStudent (discuss • contribs) 13:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)BrianstirlingStudent

So I suppose one the first major law that dealt with online privacy, or at least the first one to meet massive criticism was PIPA or the Protect Intellectual Property Act. It came about in 2011 and was made to counter the massive amount of pirate sites on the web. It was heavily lobbied by corporations in order to more heavily enforce copyright law, something they've wanted to do since the days of Napster and LimeWire, with one of the bigger problems now being that the servers for these new pirate sites where no longer in the US and were out of the Government's jurisdiction.

It key selling point was to be able to target specific sites who's activities were deemed illegal, and have a court order force search engines to not only blacklist those sites from the search results but also disable all hyperlinks to said websites, effectively cutting off access to torrent sites from anyway other than typing the URL in directly.

It was met with massive criticism with many people claiming it could be used as a stepping stone for harsher internet laws and that Corporations could abuse the Act, using individual acts of copyright infringement to target massive legitimate sites such as Youtube, Twitter, Facebook. There were also claims that this law could be used to target individual creators who could be hit with false claims that they could not afford to counter. There were many comparisons to China's massive firewall in this argument. Ultimately the bill was put on indefinite hold until its many flaws were rectified BrianstirlingStudent (discuss • contribs) 14:27, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Internet Censorship

Hey Guys, I am starting to research Internet Censorship in Certain Countries such as North Korea and China. Feel free to add any information that might be useful to this topic. Shakeygravesbeattie (discuss • contribs) 13:58, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey chaps, do you guys think that User Rights would come under the topic of Internet Censorship? Like do people have a right to use social media? Shakeygravesbeattie (discuss • contribs) 14:56, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure it comes under Internet Censorship, but if nobody else has mentioned that they will talk about it, you should definitely write a bit about it. Would be a good sub-topic! CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 20:24, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I will cover the topic of Personal Information Online. This might also touch the subtopic of online shopping and banking. I will start to add to the ‘Book’ page. I will also create a section in the ‘discussion’ page as  suggested where you can add a note of what you've added to the 'book' page each time to keep track of who's doing what as you say cause it'll be easier to discuss changes/additions.CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 14:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm going to focus on surveillance within digital technologies. If you have any useful information then don't hesitate to share it. Hayleygil (discuss • contribs) 22:04, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Feel like we've kind of neglected this section haha - I've covered my main topics now. Anyone need any help or wanting me to add any anything to theirs? Any suggestions/worries/ideas?

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Group Discussion - #GirlzOnFire
Use this section of the discussion page to discuss in your group whichever topic/s you guys decide on! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 12:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey Guys :) I did some research and found some interesting readings:


 * Resolving Multi-Party Privacy Conflicts in Social Media, Jose M. Such
 * The pursuit of privacy, Wacks Raymond
 * Anonymity, Pseudonymity & Online Privacy, Steve Hetcher
 * Privacy Rights: The Virtue of Protecting False Reputations, John A. Humbach

I will start to read them today and maybe then I have some new topics for us. --Melissa0908 (discuss • contribs) 15:45, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey #GirlzOnFire

Main Topic: How Privacy Fits Into the Digital Age

Sub Topics: All pick a chapter each?

Fantabydosey

--Evbestie (discuss • contribs) 15:45, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

yay sounds good! There are 7 other chapters and only 5 of us so I think we should just choose which ones we think we can write the most about :)

Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 15:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Yeah - I was hoping to relate the Privacy in a Digital Age to the Online/ real life divide topic. Also means that we would be able to get in touch with other groups and classes to help us out SinaOhlandt (discuss • contribs) 15:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I'd like to take Persistent Connectivity and the Fear of Missing out topic, hopefully there should be enough to write on this but if not I'll do Technology as an extension of self too

Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 16:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey all, I'm just wondering which chapters you are all referring to because it sounds like you're meaning the chapters from the main wikibook. We are only supposed to be looking at Privacy in a Digital Age and looking at topics relating to this (I know there may be some themes which overlap with the other topics in the main wikibook so collaborating with the other groups in those would be good, but you'll have to make sure you don't start writing too much on those topics because they will be doing their own work on that topic.) If anybody is stuck for ideas on topics to use there's already a list that's been started further up in this discussion page, if your group want to select one or two topics listed (there's already been some chosen by other groups working on this chapter though, so be wary you don't double up on those) then split those topics amongst yourselves into sub-topics. I'm sure there'll be plenty for you to divide between yourselves and work on together. TEKnology (the group I'm in) have been doing work over reading week already and have had some discussions with and  and we've already come up with a few different ideas, we hoped more people would be involved back then because we're cutting it a little fine for time now. We'll have to get things organised as soon as possible so we can start putting content into the chapter so that it's not just all over the place. Please have a read of the discussion page as it stands fully and check out the lists as I mentioned above, I'm still doing some reading alongside working on the topics my group have already chosen so if I find any more topics to cover then I'll add them to the list. Or if you guys would rather just be allocated a topic to look at then we could work something out like that too. Thanks! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 17:22, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey! Those are the chapters we were referring to - we did go through the page earlier today, but we felt like we wanted to try and do something that also shows how everything relates. We'll still be focusing on the Privacy in the Digital Age, but hopefully will be able to link the other topics from the book into ours, as well as potentially linking those things to some of the topics mentioned earlier on the discussion page, and any other interesting ones we find whilst also doing the readings/ research we find. It also means that we're able to keep in touch with other groups working on the book, which can be helpful to both us and them if our ideas are good enough. Also, well done for organising the discussion page - it was a little confusing to start off, but we managed to figure it out and it is really helpful, and I'm sure will be even more so as we continue working on the project! SinaOhlandt (discuss • contribs) 18:21, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay! I thought you guys were splitting up the rest of the book and gonna focus mainly on those topics without linking it back to our chapter, but that sounds like a good idea, you guys can take the main focus on ensuring our chapter flows well with the other chapters and seeing how privacy links to each of them! Good idea guys! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 20:43, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey Eilish, you mentioned in your email you weren't sure what topic you should be doing, we're using this section here to discuss what everyone is going to focus on. So you can see that we've decided our main topic is Privacy in relation to the other chapters in the wikibook. I'm focusing on the Technology as an extension of self and persistent connectivity topics, and you can scroll up to see what the other girls are doing for their topics. So basically all you need to do is just choose one of the other chapters in the Wikibook to relate to privacy and then let us know and we can organise who is doing what :) Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 10:26, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Definitions

Hey everyone, just wondering if you guys are introducing your topics by defining what is actually meant by Online/real life divide, filter bubbles etc etc. Because I imagine this will have already been done by the people who are originally writing about those chapters, but should we provide a smaller, less detailed definition anyway? Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 10:17, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

just a reminder that we don't need to sign off on the actual chapter, just in discussion pages so I've removed your name from the section you posted. If you just edit the "book contributions" section on the discussion page to notify everyone of what you've put in the chapter then that'll suffice! :) Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 16:21, 7 March 2017 (UTC) &#8593; Back to top

Hope everyone's doing okay girls! Glad we got some queries clarified when we met up today :) Eilish2 (discuss • contribs) 20:14, 7 March 2017 (UTC)Eilish2

Introduction for our chapter

Hey girls, hopefully by tomorrow we can decide if we need to write a short introduction to our chapter of the page. I'm not sure that we will, but if its looking a bit short it wouldn't hurt just to add in some extra information to introduce what we are talking about, even if its just reiterating whats been said by others in the other chapters. Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 22:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Group Discussion - Beyond the Fringe
Use this section of the discussion page to discuss in your group whichever topic/s you guys decide on!Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 12:53, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Our contribution to main introduction
Hey guys, I've drafted a wee section we could add to the main intro - pasted below. Go ahead and edit/add to it and we can add it to the book later! I'll post at the top bit to let everyone else know that we're working on our bit of the intro. - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 00:44, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * This section is dedicated to exploring hacking from the perspective of the social impact. Firstly this section will explain the technology behind hacking, namely spyware, and how this technology can be used to access private information. This section then uses different celebrity and non-celebrity examples to demonstrate the social side of privacy breaches and how this impacts on people and our society.

- this okay guys? - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 16:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Contributions
Hi guys, we can add a note here once we've added some content to see if anyone wants to check it over and stuff! Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 20:57, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Added the Yahoo! section - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 20:57, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Added some subtopics within my section, nothing too exciting! LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 22:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Added a photo scandal example for negative section. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 23:35, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Added the "What is Spyware" section, as well as an image. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 00:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Added the iCloud section - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 20:01, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Edited the intro bit - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 20:01, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Edited redlinks of the negative section. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 23:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Added another example on negative section. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 23:48, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed my references, yay! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 00:35, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Added a paragraph to the "Young public figures” section. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 08:33, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Main topic ideas
Hello, we could write about a lot of the privacy scandals that have happened recently, celebrity or otherwise. There's a lot of ground to cover as a lot comes to mind; the iCloud hacks, the Ashley Madison scandal, News of The World, etc. We could go into the consequences of each one and the effects, as the iCloud hacks were more of a celebrity based scandal so there was a level of disconnection, while Ashley Madison hit very close to home for the majority. What do you guys think? LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 16:56, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

yes I agree, in terms of the celebrities topic we can mention something about the celebrity’s children who do not ask to be put into the media spotlight. For example the previous president of the United States of America, his oldest daughter faced a lot of media attention even thought is she a privet citizen. And not all of the information that was spread was true, for example some articles where saying that she smoked or did drugs. Another way we can look at this is retired celebrities, some celebrities choose to leave the fame behind in order to live a normal life however media still chooses to spread information about them. For example retired sport athletes, singer and actors. Media still speeds information about them such as updates about how they are living and take recent photos What do you guy’s think about these suggestions? Dalal22 (discuss • contribs) 17:19, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah that sounds perfect! You're right about people trying to escape the fame, lots of celebrities move to countries with higher privacy laws following retirement or having children, so that's definitely a relevant point to bring up! LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 17:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * You are right and there are a lot of celebrities want to keep their own privacy in the digital age, but media still can spread information and scandal about them, because a lot of medium will get their information through different ways. In addition, we also can consider the consequences and effects from different aspects, such as the celebrity's family’s privacy and their children's growth environment, which influenced by the media, even cause some serious psychological damage to the children. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 22:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I agree and in the matters of the news of the world, we can think about the Internet as a global medium that regardless of national boundaries, so it has a strong openness. Also, we can look at the consequences and the effects of the leaking information. Therefore, maybe we can mention about the relationship between Internet privacy and the politicians. For example, the political scandal or the politicians’ network privacy and information online have a huge influence on international relations and transnational cooperation. What do you think? Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 22:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

While doing research on spyware, I found out more about google adsense and contextual advertising and I think it's relevant as it essentially tracks your browsing history in order to give you more relevant adverts. I'm going to add it to our main topics and write more about it, so thought I'd let you know and give you guys the opportunity to share some thoughts! Thanks! LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 00:02, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * sounds great! It's similar to what I wrote in the intro bit of our section about how people don't know how much data is stored - so that links in nicely and gives our section a theme. - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 00:07, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * - also I just remembered I think one of the groups is doing something on online shopping and banking so I don't know if that could link in at all - or yous might be taking different directions, I'm not sure! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 00:08, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Apologies for the late reply, as you can see sleep evaded me so I'm working away! Thanks for pointing out the online shopping section, I'll give it another browse closer to the deadline to make sure nothing overlaps. Hope all is going well! LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 05:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I think that's good, because sometimes privacy leaks through google adsense and contextual advertising, also it related with our theme. If we focus on different aspects apart from the online shopping and banking that will be fine. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 00:16, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey guys, I know this isn't my group discussion, but was having a read over everything and noticed you talking about online shopping and banking. I have written a bit about this, yes; I defined them, explained the security of them and touched on the risks of them. I didn't ramble on too much so if you have anything to add, go ahead! :) CammeyNotCameron (discuss • contribs) 12:48, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I had a read over your section and thankfully nothing has overlapped, I'd even say that it's flowed together pretty nicely. Let me know if you have any issues with what has been written though and I'd be happy to sort it! LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 13:00, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Subtopic ideas
We could explore some of the scandals in more detail for a sub-topic.


 * The iCloud scandal - related to celebrity privacy being breached
 * Public reaction divided - some people felt sorry, some people didn't care
 * People didn't really worry about their privacy as it was more detached


 * The Ashley Madison Scandal - related more to "normal" people
 * Public reaction - again divided but felt more personal - it could happen to you!
 * But also ambivalence due to the nature of the website - revealing misbehavior


 * News of the World
 * One of the first big hacking scandals revealed
 * More outrage due to political context and consequences

- Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 17:11, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to tackle the News of the World scandal if that's okay with you guys? LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 15:44, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * For the news of the world, I found the news in China, and it said nearly 80 percent of Internet users suffer identity leaks. Also, it mentioned about personal information leaked also includes email accounts and passwords, car and house purchase information, as well as medical information. Hope this will help. CHINADAILY Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 16:04, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * That's really useful, thank you! I'm now wondering about how relevant the News of the World scandal is as it was the hacking of phones rather than internet, so I might just write a more general section about spyware and internet surveillance on the whole. That will come in really handy so thank you again! LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 16:29, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * You are welcome, The spyware and internet surveillance sound really good, please let us know if you need any help. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 17:05, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes sure you can tackle that topic if you feel like you can do the research for it. Feel free to ask us for help if you need it with that topic. -Dalal22 (discuss • contribs)

What do you guys think about adding a sub topic about young celebrities in the public eye and how media decides to share information about them as they grow older in to the teen years, we can also talk about how it can affect them positively or negatively. so what do you think about this idea? -Dalal22 (discuss • contribs) 14:48, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah that sounds good! Like child actors and the children of celebrities? - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 14:49, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, exactly. like when the start off very young they are easily influenced by the social media. like for example Macaulay Culkinin the movie Home Alone. starting off very young the media started spreading news that he was doing heavy drugs and is unstable. also as an actor who started off really young it made it really hard to transition to an adult serious actor despite their success as children. -Dalal22 (discuss • contribs) 15:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes! That’s a really good point and we can also think about the fake information of the celebrities online and how that affects their life. Such as some celebrities choose to commit suicide because of the false rumours and information. What do you guys think about this? Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 15:01, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, i think you bring a really good point about depression as an after effect effect to false information. i think that is a great idea for a sub topic. -Dalal22 (discuss • contribs) 15:52, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Great, I think I will do some research based on this sub topic then. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 16:08, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys! I'm going to post the iCloud stuff I was talking about with you all tonight. How are you guys getting on? - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 17:43, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello! Slowly but surely getting there, hoping to post some tonight and tomorrow morning so we'll have plenty of time in the afternoon to fine tune anything that might need fixing. Hope all goes well with you guys too, let me know if there is anything I could lend a hand on! LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 17:58, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi. I am working on another example about the negative section and I will post it tonight, so please help me with the grammar. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 17:48, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * that's great guys! Looking forward to reading your stuff! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 19:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Possible Sources
Hello, thought I'd just add this topic so we could put in a few of our findings as we go. For example, if you see something that looks relevant you can chuck it in here for someone else to check out. I might need a bit of help formatting this to look professional so feel free to edit this how you please. Thanks! LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 17:05, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Digital Media and Society - Adrian Antique Page 491 onwards discusses spyware and data mining, useful for discussing the News of the World scandal and other related issues LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 17:19, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Fuchs, Boersma, Albrechtslund, and Sandoval (eds.) (2012) Internet and Surveillance: The Challenges of Web 2.0 and Social Media. London: Routledge - the chapter called "How does privacy change in the age of the internet" - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 14:47, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Surveillance & Society: Surveillance and Alienation in the Online Economy - Mark Andrejevic from what I can tell it's a pretty relevant article, I'll probably use it for the News of the World section but could be useful for other topics. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 16:18, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

If anyone is discussing age and social media, I found this good article from Dannah Boyd-one not on the reading list. I have quoted a little already from it on a section I'm working with but have a look. All about teens on social media and talks about privacy.
 * It's Complicated. Dannah Boyd.

Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 01:48, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I found a lab report of the privacy leakage on the Internet might be helpful, so I put it here just as a suggestion. It mentioned about how privacy leaks such as first-party versus third-party nodes of the connections between first-party visible (servers explicitly visited) and hidden third-party (visited as by-product) nodes. AT&T Labs–Research Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 16:13, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi - here's some articles I've been reading about the Yahoo hacks - Guardian on the 2013 hack Guardian on the 2014/NSA hack New York Times - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 19:21, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Here's some readings and websites about the celebrity scandals section that I have been reading. NewYorkDailyNews NewYorkTimes Mirror. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 23:22, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Help
Hello! Just created this section as I'm having trouble adding a photo to one of the sections and was wondering if anyone already had that down and could lend me a hand? This section will also be useful for future problems so feel free to fire away here! Thanking you in advance. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 23:16, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I've been trying to figure it out! I think you upload a file here with this upload wizard thing and then you embed by typing File:... with 2 [ ] around it and you put the file name in the ... bit. Here's the tutorial page if that doesn't make sense! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 23:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Perfect! I'll give it a go now and let you know if I manage it, thanks again, LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 23:35, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Being a pain again but wondering exactly how to layout the reference if it's from a book? I know how to add the actual reference in text but the lack of link is throwing me off in the layout part and so I'm after a little help. Thanks! LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 23:37, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * oh yeah you just do the reference like [ author, year, title, page number ] < / ref > (without spaces) and then it just references it at the bottom of the page and adds the wee number in text! - Katienotcatriona (discuss • contribs) 23:40, 6 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Saving my life once again. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 23:45, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I just used the jazzy quote box that you put in one of your sections, and I'm honestly in awe of it. Did you look up a tutorial or just figure it out? Cause I was completely lost on it. I'm trying to finalise a few things with formatting to make it look as smart as possible, so if you have any other tricks up your sleeve please share because I'm obsessed! LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 06:26, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for like it! I watched a YouTube video, and learned how to add the quote box. I think you can find many tutorial videos online and it is so fun. But the quote box is the only one I have learned. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 08:44, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Referencing Style
How do you guys want to reference? I'm not 100% certain how referencing works on Wikibooks yet but I'm sure we can figure it out, we'll have to make sure we all agree on the style and that it's all consistent throughout the book so that it doesn't look all mismatched and get confusing. Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 18:17, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I will possibly get this wrong first try so forgive me if this takes a few edits, but there is a mark up for referencing within the "help" section of editing that looks reasonably straight forward. If I were to source this page it would look like this. And could then be inserted at the bottom on the page like so:


 * As mentioned, the format is in the help section and is relatively straight forward to get the hang of, but if anyone has issues feel free to ask or if anyone has a better idea/a way of improvement, please fire away! I may have missed things out in this or not actually gotten the grasp of it I thought I have, so apologies if that's the case. LydiaWithTheFringe (discuss • contribs) 23:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I am just giving suggestion, because I am not sure. But I think maybe we can have a reference list at the end of the website, which can be classified according to different topics or maybe it should be like the essay reference format. Such as if it is the web page, we can put the writer's name, title and URL, and if it is a book, we can write the author’s name, the book title and pages etc. Shekkkkk (discuss • contribs) 00:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I asked the reading room and suggested this one Wiki markup and Wiki Citing
 * Basically it is harvard referencing which, I think, is suitable because its just numbering the point to a footnote. It can be done on wiki. Also Greg said we can reference anyway we want but harvard ref is clean and easy to use. Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 18:15, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey well so far we've started adding the definitions onto the chapter and the referencing style we've used seems to look okay, I think it's the numbered system you demonstrated Lydia, but I honestly don't know, I just copied 's referencing markup and it happened, it looks good though! Tinytalia (discuss • contribs) 20:13, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys, just wondering if people are using direct quotes from books/articles etc or not? Not sure whether to do this or just use links because I don't think direct quotes are something I've seen a lot on Wiki. Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 11:43, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I have been using direct quotes because it's in the style of an essay, and I think some of the quotes support my argument well. It's up to you though, will know for sure. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:16, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys, just wondering if we have to also reference something at the bottom of the chapter if we have already provided a link to it? For example, when I typed "twitter Help Centre", I linked to the help Centre page, but do I also have to put in a proper reference for it too? (I have quoted from it) Thanks Cathym97 (discuss • contribs) 12:28, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Proofreaders
Does anyone want to be a proofreader for our chapter? Just tidying up the references and adding pictures here and there will really make a difference. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't know how to add pictures, would you be able to add one of McLuhan near the instagram section, please? Littlekatie1 (discuss • contribs) 17:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Of course, one sec. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 21:06, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

If anyone's feeling tech savvy, some of the pictures could be moved to the left or decreased in size just to mix it up a bit. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 21:26, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

While proofreading, we need to make sure the book isn't biased. We can talk about things critically, but make sure there's no sweeping statements without evidence. I pinged on my user page about how we can go about this, here's a link to his reply. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 16:14, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Just finished proofreading my sections (Twitter, Facebook Messenger, Private Sphere definition and Individual vs. Collective). Also double checked my references. EmilymDaniel (discuss • contribs) 12:02, 8 March 2017 (UTC)