Talk:Living in a Connected World/Digital Labour on Social Media Platforms

Discussion
Hi everyone, I've added in some more sections to the discussion page, nothing has been deleted, I've just copied and pasted things so conversations should still all be intact. Hope that's okay and this makes it a bit easier to read! Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 00:31, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Group Contributors
Hi, does everyone want to sign here so it's easier to ping everyone when sending group messages? Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 00:31, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

my user name is sammyforbes Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 11:27, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

My user name is sam_ediko Sam ediko (discuss • contribs) 14:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Planning
Hello, sammyforbes sam_ediko and I have brainstormed some categories for the topic. We decided that the three of us are going to focus on the category of social media and breaking it down into multiple subcategories. sam_ediko will be focusing on history, rise, and audience engagement, etc. sammyforbes will be focusing on social media advertising, marketing, culture, etc. I will be focusing on types of social media, pros & cons, and successfulness, etc. We are assuming that whoever started the page with the intro and main concepts will continue to elaborate on those topics. We were also thinking we could have topics on "Always on Culture", "Trolling", "Surveillance", "Digital Sweatshops". Madisonhen (discuss • contribs) 11:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

These are just some ideas, so feel free to add anymore topics. Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 12:16, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

I was finding it hard to find a lot of information on social media as a participatory culture so I was thinking of maybe doing something about 'prosumers' instead, is this ok with everyone?


 * Hi guys! I'd be happy to cover the topics 'Surveillance' and how it relates too: 'Always on Culture'. Dcunningham1017 (discuss • contribs) 13:55, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I thought it would be best to add in a definition of social media. I will research more to expand this definition but feel free to add anything to it. Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I was reading up on the concept of Information Society and came up with a couple ideas when gathering theories while reading 'Theories of Information Society' by Frank Webster. I was wondering if anyone had been working on Information Society already? I have also looked into a couple of close related topics to explore when looking at information society such as 'Knowledge Society' and 'Information Revolution'. Frkelly (discuss • contribs) 17:05, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not sure who created the main concepts on the wiki page but I've been looking into Critical Theory and I was hoping to start working on this topic if that's okay with everyone? If anyone has anything they want to contribute though, please feel free to edit or get in touch! Thanks! Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 17:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I thought it would be best to add in a definition of social media. I will research more to expand this definition but feel free to add anything to it. Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I am going to start putting some headings in to make the page more clear and to make it easier to find everything. Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 11:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Also, does anyone know anywhere I can find an online resource for the book- Fuchs, C. (2014) Digital Labour and Karl Marx. London: Routledge?? Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 11:37, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Guys, does anyone have an exact definition of what digital labour is? The concept is very abstract and its difficult to find an exact definition. Dcunningham1017 (discuss • contribs) 11:44, 3 March 2017 (UTC) Hi Guys, Just thought I'd check in and see how everyone is doing with the project? Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 20:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi ! I think I'm getting there, been struggling to get my head around the critical theory stuff but I should have that section totally finished by end of tomorrow? Once it's finished i'm happy for people to edit/contribute anything they think I've missed out. It's a big subject so a second perspective might be good? You? Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 22:54, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I'm feeling a little overwhelmed but just added my main section to this page but going to do some further reading to try add a little bit more to these. Kind of nervous that it is due tomorrow!!! Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 11:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi ! I think I'm getting there! Will be finished my two sections soon and then can spend time finishing glossary and making sure everything is all good! Frkelly (discuss • contribs) 11:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I found an article that might help you, if gives a rough definition of digital labour in the introduction. http://triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/viewFile/461/468

Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 11:46, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Also I decided that I will only focus on the main types of social media that we us. When I started writing about for example LinkedIn it felt pretty irrelevant. So if anyone thinks that's a bad idea let me know. Madisonhen (discuss • contribs) 11:51, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what content is best suited for the 'Digital Labour on Social Media Platforms' section. I'm writing up what digital labour entails for the Introduction section but I'm not sure if this should go under the first headline? Tonyvall (discuss • contribs) 12:14, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there needs to be anything under "Digital labour on social media platforms" as that isn't necessarily a "section" so much as it is the title. That's just the way that I kind of view it because I would think that most of the infromation for that would go under the introduction section. Not sure if that makes sense, but I think it's okay to leave that area blank. Sam ediko (discuss • contribs) 16:58, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that makes sense. I initially thought it was just a title but the space underneath kind of threw me off. Gave off the impression there was content needed there. Thanks for replying! Tonyvall (discuss • contribs) 18:10, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I'm from another group in the wikibook project, but I was just looking at your chapter and I noticed that you have little blue quote boxes which I thought made it look more interesting. I have quotes in my section which I'd like to do this with so was wondering if you could tell me how? Also I noticed you've managed to get a similar border around your message on this talk page. Don't know if this is the same thing Ailsaharv (discuss • contribs) 20:05, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, yeah I'm honestly not sure how I managed to get it to look like that. It might have been the amount of space that I put before my response? For a lot of this project I just go on the edits section and see how each person has typed it in. I'm sure you can mess around with it a little bit and something similar should eventually work. Sorry if that isn't much help, but I think that I made it look like that on accident, not sure how I did it at all! Sam ediko (discuss • contribs) 23:16, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi! I don't know how to do the blue boxed but for the plain border ones I did...

If you click edit on our discussion page you can just copy and paste code above, you can put left, right or center for the the alignment. Hope this helps! Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 00:14, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * :: Thanks for the help! I'll copy things in and see what I can get- your example quote box is really helpful too thankyou Ailsaharv (discuss • contribs) 09:58, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Meetings
sammyforbes sam_ediko dcunningham1017 and I have decided to met in person in front of the library at 11am on Friday. Madisonhen (discuss • contribs) 14:44, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi everyone, sounds good!! Just a reminder that the members of my group from Wikilab 2 are meeting tomorrow at 11am outside the library, so if everyone is free it might be good to all have a face to face meeting to see where we all are at as the project deadline is in less than a week now?

Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 17:38, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Roles

 * I think it would be best if we used this discussion page to allocate specific roles in creating our chapter. Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 22:55, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I thought I make a heading and then we can all add what our specific sub-categories are. - Social Media Advertising, Social Media Marketing, Prosumers. Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 11:39, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

- Surveillance On Social Media, and Always On Culture Dcunningham1017 (discuss • contribs) 11:46, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

- History, Rise of social media, Audience engagement. Sam ediko (discuss • contribs) 11:45, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

- Introduction, History: Capitalism and Karl Marx, Digital Labour. Tonyvall (discuss • contribs) 12:18, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

- Critical Theory. Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 16:57, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

- Information Society, Network Society Frkelly (discuss • contribs) 17:38, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

- Main types of social media in 2017, Pros and Cons of social media. Madisonhen (discuss • contribs) 12:17, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Group Collaboration
Hi guys, I am part of the group that's covering the News, Evidence and Memory in Online Communications chapter, however the man himself Greg has suggested that we could possibly do a bit of collaboration with your chapter as they kinda overlap in terms of the digital labour in relation to online news production. I noticed that there wasn't a discussion page set-up yet for your chapter so I guess you might be using Facebook or something to communicate. Without sounding too cheeky, if you guys could start using this as well then we could all work together which would probably boost all of our engagement grades! Cheers! JamieKingGinge (discuss • contribs) 12:44, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes that sound's good.

Hi guys, I'm from the group News, Evidence and Memory in Online Communications, the topic i have chosen is 'Citizen Journalism', whilst researching this topic i found it links to 'Participatory Culture', whoever is doing this topic i was hoping we could collaborate and make sure we are not stepping on each others toes, but we can also help each other. I already have my main points ready on what i will be writing about and have found some useful sources i would like to share, if you don't mind. Hope to hear a response soon! JayeRaiyatMedia (discuss • contribs) 14:34, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Help Section
Does anyone know how to add photos to the main page? Madisonhen (discuss • contribs) 14:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


 * @Madisonhen I found a page on Wikibooks that details how to add images. Hope this helps! https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Using_Wikibooks/Inserting_Images Dcunningham1017 (discuss • contribs) 14:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

This may be a stupid question, but should we put the definition that the keywords hyperlink to on Wikipedia? or should we be finding other definitions? Just want to make sure I'm doing it correctly! Sam ediko (discuss • contribs) 17:06, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi I've been using links to Wikipedia pages in mine, I think we're encouraged to do that so that it interlinks across wiki platforms. It also saves us having to provide definitions for basic concepts? Let me know what you think! Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 16:59, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey and, I was just going to to use links to Wikipedia pages like Caroline suggested or do you think we need to come up with our own definitions? Frkelly (discuss • contribs) 13:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey and, Thanks for the response! I was going to just interlink with Wikipedia pages, I just wanted to check and make sure that that was what we had to do! I think it will be a lot easier, and make more sense since the words in the glossary should be the ones that we add a link to in our sections. So yes, I will be using the definitions provided by wikipedia. Sam ediko (discuss • contribs) 14:35, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

sounds good to me! Frkelly (discuss • contribs) 16:30, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys just wondering if anyone knows the correct way to use the footnotes when I comes to citing the same source. For example I have a few sentences back to back that are from the same source. I'm just wondering if I have to put a footnote after every sentence or just at the end of the last sentence? Madisonhen (discuss • contribs) 11:32, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I've just been citing my reference once wherever I refer to the source most specifically if that makes sense? I think as long as its cited once and the reference is below you're okay? What do you think? Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 22:54, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

and I have done the same as Caroline and cited the source most specifically even if there are a few sentences back to back from the same source, not sure if anyone knows what is the correct way of doing it? Frkelly (discuss • contribs) 10:35, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Formatting
Hi everyone, the book is starting to look really good but it's looking really wordy as it's filling up? I was wondering if we should breakdown the Key Concepts/Media Headings and have a topic heading for karl marx and digital labour, information society, critical theory etc. Each of these topics have their own sub headings and it might be easier to read if they're separated a bit more? Don't know if the social media group agree? Or we could use blue text for sub headings like in popular social media section? Let me know! Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 00:31, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey! Yeah, that formatting could make it look more polished. I'm happy to change it, whatever you guys think is most appropriate. It’s probably best if I place the description of digital labour before the Marxist section. It’s just tricky to explain digital labour without bringing in Marx/capitalism first. Let me know your thoughts, thanks! Tonyvall (discuss • contribs) 11:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey! I've changed the main concepts headline to "History" to begin the topic. Everything on the page is important to digital labour so it seems more appropriate to format it this way, do you guys agree? I can edit it back if "main concepts" is better suited. Let me know your thoughts, thanks! Tonyvall (discuss • contribs) 13:28, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The change seems good to me! Dcunningham1017 (discuss • contribs) 16:16, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree the changes seem all good to me too! Frkelly (discuss • contribs) 21:06, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that looks great! Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 15:31, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Are you planning to do the sub-topic of the theories of digital labour and the marxist theory? Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 11:24, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Hey. Yeah I'm working on the 'Alienation in Digital Labour', 'Digital Labour and Karl Marx' and also plan to add more to the Introduction.Tonyvall (discuss • contribs) 11:51, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi everyone, we made a glossary section on our wikibook. Please be sure to add your words and definitions as your fill our your own sections. Thanks! Sam ediko (discuss • contribs) 11:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Referencing style
Hi, trying to work out what referencing style used, as it has to be consistent throughout. I think this is basically the style he is going for, but Tony correct me if I'm wrong.

Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 14:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the referencing style I used. I can change the referencing in my entries if it doesn't align with the others. Whatever works best for the page. Tonyvall (discuss • contribs) 12:22, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

That referencing style works for me. Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 18:21, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, what kind of style are we using for websites because it it slightly different in the references list? Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 16:05, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi ! I've been putting Author. Year. Title. Retrieved date. Link. If that's wrong let me know and I'll edit mine before Wed. Thanks! Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs) 22:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

What have people been doing to reference a websites? Frkelly (discuss • contribs) 11:01, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I've been doing the same as Caroline but most of my websites don't have an author so the first thing I've been putting in the reference is the name of the article or page, then year, then the over all website. For example, Donald Trump elected as President (2016), The BBC. Retrieved on *DATE* from [ *LINK* ], that was just a random example but unsure if I'm actually doing it right or not. If anyone can help that would be useful. Sammyforbes (discuss • contribs) 12:53, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

That's great! I will use that for just now and if I manage to find that there is a different way we should do it I will let you know. Frkelly (discuss • contribs) 13:12, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Glossary
Hi everyone, we made a glossary section on our wikibook. Please be sure to add your words and definitions as your fill our your own sections. Thanks! Sam ediko (discuss • contribs) 11:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Guys! I added a glossary section to the bottom of the page, so feel free to add any terms from the sections you're completing. I've left a placeholder there so you know what the bod text markup looks like. Dcunningham1017 (discuss • contribs) 11:36, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I've added one or two definitions to the Glossary on the book, I just used the format Greg used on the main wikibook? Let me know if you're happy to use that! It's just " :Term Definition  " Caroline WikiHacker (discuss • contribs)

Yeah I am happy to use that format! Frkelly (discuss • contribs) 11:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Recommended readings
Just a reminder of the recommended readings that were available on the module outline on succeed.

Allmer, T. (2014) ‘(Dis)Like Facebook? Dialectical and Critical Perspectives on Social Media’. Javnost - The Public: Journal of the European Institute for Communication and Culture, 21(2), 39-56. Athique, Adrian (2013) Digital Media and Society: An Introduction. Cambridge: Polity. Baym, Nancy K. (2010) Personal Connections in the Digital Age. Cambridge: Polity Beckett, Charlie (2012) Wikileaks: News in the Networked Era. Cambridge: Polity Benkler, Yochai (2006) The Wealth of Networks. New Haven: Yale University Press Burgess, Jean and Green, Joshua (2009) YouTube. Cambridge: Polity Chouliaraki, Lilie (2013) The Ironic Spectator: Solidarity in the Age of Post-Humanitarianism. Cambridge: Polity Chun and Fisher (eds.) (2016) New Media, Old Media: a history and theory reader (2nd ed.). London: Routledge [1st ed. also available] Dean, J. (2009) ‘Technology: The Promises of Communicative Capitalism’, in Democracy and Other Neoliberal Fantasies: Communicative Capitalism and Left Politics. Durham: Duke University Press. Egenfeld-Nielsen, S., Smith, J., and S. Tosca (2008) Understanding Videogames: The Essential Introduction. London: Routledge. Ess, Charles (2009) Digital Media Ethics. Cambridge: Polity Flew, Terry (2012) Creative Industries: Culture and Policy. London: SAGE Fuchs, C. (2014) Digital Labour and Karl Marx. London: Routledge Fuchs and Sandoval (eds.) (2014) Critique, Social Media and the Information Society. London: Routledge Fuchs, Boersma, Albrechtslund, and Sandoval (eds.) (2012) Internet and Surveillance: The Challenges of Web 2.0 and Social Media. London: Routledge Gauntlett, David (2011) Making is Connecting: The social meaning of creativity, from DIY and knitting to YouTube and Web 2.0. Cambridge: Polity Giddings, Seth and Lister, Martin (eds.) (2011) The New Media and Technocultures Reader. London: Routledge Hinton, S. and Larissa Hjorth (2013) Understanding Social Media. London: SAGE. Holt and Sanson (eds.) (2014) Connected Viewing: Selling, Streaming, & Sharing Media in the Digital Era. New York: Routledge. 9 Jenkins, Henry (2006) Convergence Culture: Where Old and New Media Collide. New York: New York University Press Katz, E. (ed.) (2008) Handbook of Mobile Communication Studies. Cambridge, MA.: MIT Press Lange, P. G. (2014) Kids on YouTube: Technical Identities and Digital Literacies. Left Coast Press Lanier, Jaron (2006) ‘Digital Maoism: The Hazards of the New Online Collectivism’ in Edge: The Third Culture. Available at: http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/lanier06/lanier06_index.html ______ (2010) You Are Not a Gadget: A Manifesto. New York: Vintage ______ (2013) Who Owns the Future? London: Allen Lane Lessig, Lawrence (2004) Free Culture: How Big Media Uses Technology and the Law to Lock Down Culture and Control Creativity. London: Penguin Books ______ (2008) Remix: Making Art and Commerce Thrive in the Hybrid Economy. London: Bloomsbury Lévy, Pierre (1999) Collective Intelligence: Mankind’s Emerging World in Cyberspace. Cambridge, MA: Perseus Books Lindgren, S. (2014) ‘Crowdsourcing Knowledge: Interdiscursive flows from Wikipedia into scholarly research’ in Culture Unbound: Journal of Current Cultural Research, 6: 609-627. ______ (2015) ‘The Work of Audiences in the Age of Clicktivism: On the Ins and Outs of Distributed Participation’ in Media Fields Journal, 10: 1-6. Lister et al (2009) New Media: A Critical Introduction (2nded.). Abingdon: Routledge Lovink, Geert (2011) Networks Without a Cause: A Critique of Social Media. Cambridge: Polity Mandiberg, Michael (ed.) (2012) The Social Media Reader. London: New York University Press Manovich, Lev (2001) The Language of New Media. Cambridge, MA: MIT Press. McChesney, R. (2013) Digital Disconnect: How Capitalism Is Turning the Internet against Democracy. New York: The New Press Mosco, V. (2014) To the Cloud: Big Data in a Turbulent World. Paradigm Press Papacharissi, Zizi A. (2010) A Private Sphere: Democracy in the Digital Age. Cambridge: Polity ______ . (ed.) (2011) A Networked Self: Identity, Community and Culture on Social Network Sites. Abingdon: Routledge Rettberg, Jill Walker (2008) Blogging. Cambridge: Polity ______ (2014) Seeing Ourselves Through Technology: How We Use Selfies, Blogs and Wearable Devices to See and Shape Ourselves. Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan. Sandoval, M. (2013) ‘Foxconned Labour as the Dark Side of the Information Age: Working Conditions at Apple’s Contract Manufacturers in China’. tripleC: Communication, Capitalism & Critique. Open Access Journal for a Global Sustainable Information Society, 11(2). Shirky, Clay (2008) Here Comes Everybody. London: Allen Lane 10 ______ (2010) Cognitive Surplus: Creativity and Generosity in a Connected Age. London: Allen Lane Terranova, Tiziana (2004) Network Culture: Politics for the Information Age. London: Pluto Press Turkle, Sherry (2011) Alone Together: Why We Expect More from Technology and Less from Each Other. New York: Perseus Books Vaidhyanathan, Siva (2011) Googlization of Everything (and why we should worry). Berkley, CA: University of California Press Webster, F. (2002) ‘The information society revisited’. In L. Lievrouw & S. Livingstone (Eds.), Handbook of new media: social shaping and social consequences of ICTs. London: SAGE.

Here are some of the readings that are related to the Digital Labour section!

Webster,	Frank. 2002.	The	Information	Society	Revisited. In	Handbook	of New	Media:	Social	Shaping	and	Social	Consequences	of	Icts,	edited	by Leah	Lievrouw and	Sonia	Livingstone,	22-33. London:	SAGE.

Sandoval,	Marisol. 2013.	Foxconned Labour as	the	Dark	Side	of	the Information	Age:	Working	Conditions	at	Apple’s	Contract Manufacturers	in	China. tripleC:	Communication,	Capitalism	&	Critique. Open	Access	Journal	for	a	Global	Sustainable	Information	Society 11	(2): 318-347.

Allmer,	Thomas. 2014.	(Dis)Like	Facebook? Dialectical	and	Critical Perspectives	on	Social	Media. Javnost - The	Public:	Journal	of	the European	Institute	for	Communication	and	Culture 21	(2):	39-56.

Dean,	Jodi. 2009.	Democracy	and	Other	Neoliberal	Fantasies: Communicative	Capitalism	and	Left	Politics. Durham:	Duke	University Press.

Fuchs,	Christian. 2014.	Social	Media:	A	Critical	Introduction. London: SAGE. Sam ediko (discuss • contribs) 12:57, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

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