Talk:Latin/Lesson 4-Ablative

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I have tried to add a little to this page, and have also removed the section with "at home" and replaced it with the mare part. I believe that, considering the somewhat archaic use of the locative to say the same, as well as the irregular nature of the word domo, it is probably best not to use the word. Sorry if I've messed up the lesson here! -Asv, March 29th

This has been a great course so far, but I think that this lesson needs a lot of work. There's a whole lot of information that gets dumped on the learner. I think it could be broken up into several different lessons. It also needs a lot more excercises at the end (the whole course could benefit from more excercises, but this lesson really needs it). Finally, the vocative case has been added to the declension charts, but there has been no teaching about it. Thank you for putting your time and effort into this project. :)

OK. I am the primary maintainer for this page. I am annoyed that my good explanation of the ablative, one that I've used and applied many times has been summarily removed. Be curteous, and explain yourself on the talk page.

In preparation for finals, I have made a very basic change: put nominative and genitive next to one another.

My textbook and many other students use the order in the declension tables: (for nouns): nom-gen.-dat.-acc.-abl.

If we are using a different order, we should justify it--and I'm not saying there aren't justifications.

--Sam (smkatz--not logged in)

159.28.20.208 01:15, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think the ordering of the cases should be switched to the conventional styled used in most books and webpages. The current presentation is a bit confusing. --24.147.68.116 22:20, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

order of cases
While the Nom-Gen-Dat-Acc-Abl is the most common order for cases, it is probably the least natural or logical.

Nom and Acc should be next to each other, as should Dat and Abl, because of the similarities in the declensions in those cases. Where to put Gen is less obvious, but I prefer after Acc (probably due to my english language bias). GCSE latin is one system which uses this order.

In fact, the other way annoys me so much, I think I'll fix it now, since the page is inconsistent as it currently stands. (sharkey)

Vocabulary?
How are we supposed to know what we are asked to translate? I mean, there's pronouns in these, and we didn't even cover them yet! What are we supposed to do, guess?

(10th grade)

Good work so far, but I think this lesson needs a lot of work. Firstly, the opening explanation of the ablative case is cryptic and incomprehensible. There has also been no mention of anything Greek until this point. In the following examples, there is also an utter lack of actual examples in Latin. The vocabulary used is also unexplained (ad, agris, campus). The "excercize" (How would you translate: I form the picture by means of weaving...) also gives no explanation and no answer whatsoever; it's not a very good way to clarify things.

For the pronouns I, you, he, she, it, we, and they, they are not needed for a verb of that pronoun's specific person has that pronoun included automaticly in translation.

I.E. eum exanimaverunt They weakened him.(eum)

This lesson moves to fast
For people who are just now starting Latin, this lesson moves to fast. It also poorly defines the Abl. case. There is also a lack of vocabulary needed to complete the exersices. Can someone fix this?