Talk:Korean

An Entire Korean Wiki Project
I am currently working on an entire Korean wiki project. It's still in it's starting stages. I have plans to make it the best, most extensive, and most clear way of learning Korean and Korean grammar. Anyone interested in joining aboard? I see a lot of dedicated people on here, but doesn't seem like much is getting done here these days.

http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/

The goal is to eventually to have explanations in English, Japanese and Chinese as those are the most the most common languages of people who study Korean.

Korean lessons plans
Attention contributors: please review or contribute to Korean/Courses plan before making significant changes to the structure of the courses and lessons in the Korean Wikibook. Rodasmith 01:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Title change
15-July-05 from Frank

Changed title of 'lessons' section because I think 'lessons' title doesn't fit in with the other sections which may be lessons too.

Request for textbook
Hello, can someone please add to the korean textbook? I'm trying to teach myself korean.

- There, I filled in a bit more of the lesson on colors and put in some Chinese characters, which might as well be in this textbook, after all, they are still part of the official language. - (218.53.194.44)

Structure change
도와드릴께요^^

I'll try to help, but to be honest I think there need to be some changes to the structure here. The 'conversation' section should perhaps be renamed 'lessons', and the grammar section should be incorporated into it. There need to be a lot more lessons... And 여보세요 doesn't count as advanced. Anyway, I hope no one is too offended if I change some things around. --Chamdarae 14:29, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree that the grammar section should merge into the conversation section. Let's begin that merger by completing the course plan.  Rodasmith 03:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

You spelled "도와드릴께요" wrong, it should be 도와드릴게요 :D

Teaching how to read and write
I would really like to see lessons teaching how to read and write Korean step-by-step. It's hard to learn from an overview of letters. Lack of examples is another problem, but even if there were examples afterwards the learning situation would be far from perfect because the student would still have to memorise all letters at once in order to be able to begin practising.

What I have found really useful when learning non-Latin alphabets is a "divide and conquer" method that introduces few letters at a time and offers example words for practise immediately after each letter / each set of letters. What's even better is if those example words are understandable without prior knowledge of the language, that is, international words. For example: names of countries, cities or famous people (if their name isn't significantly different in Korean than in English), common personal names, Korean words that have entered English, English words that are used in Korean, words that both Korean and English have derived from Greek or Latin... The advantage of using these words is that students will be able to quickly see their own progress and the whole learning process becomes as fascinating as solving a puzzle. See the "Read Write and Pronounce Greek" lessons in the Modern Greek Wikibook for an example, or this external page on Cyrillic.

If you'd like to try this approach for teaching how to write Korean, I'd be glad to help you. I can read it ok, though I hardly know any of the language. Just create a big list of suitable words on a planning page like Modern Greek/Writing lessons plan, answer me here and I'll try to find an optimal order for letters.

Thanks for your efforts to teach a language that is hard to find in European schools!

Junesun 17:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S.: If there's somebody generally unsure about how to create good language lessons, I really recommend reading the following two pages about it: Authoring Foreign Language Textbooks and Authoring Foreign Language Textbooks/Bite-sized language lessons.


 * The 4th Unilang Language Learning Month will most likely be about Korean (24 hours left to vote and Korean is in advance), so there will be a group of at least 20 people from all over the world looking to learn Korean online, starting early September. Even though I know that it's hard to write a lot until then, I'd like to try and at least give them some more help. I can't write anything about Korean grammar or the like, but I'll start Korean/Writing lessons plan in order to make a list of recognisable words that can be used for reading practise and I'd really appreciate it if others could contribute words to it too or make recordings. Thanks!

Junesun 09:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Mind if I do some work?
I was a student of Korean for a while and also lived in the country for two years. I've tried to look for good 'learning korean' websites on the net, but have been met with great disappointment. I'm at a somewhat high-intermediate to advanced level, but with a few major gaps in my vocabulary, but my grammar is sure up to par. If anyone doesn't mind, I'd like to start a bit of an overhaul of this area, but keeping the same 10-lesson format. The parts that I see need the most help are the beginner parts, such as how to write, read, and basic verb conjugation. I'll start today, but if anyone has objections to the changes, please tell me and they or I can remove them and such. Thanks!

(P.S. I'll register with a name soon, "iamgravity").


 * edit* Registered, and started up Korean Orthography, no stroke order yet! - Iamgravity 03:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * edit - Added an Essential pronounciation guide, still working on it. Will do an advanced pronounciation guide with more obscure rules.  I have books as sources for this information, as well as stuff I learned in korea, do I need to cite that stuff? - Iamgravity 05:07, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion
I propose that romanization in this book be limited to all but the lessons that specifically teach 허글, and perhaps a few of the most basic lessons. If one cannot read the script, one ought to go ahead and learn it, and if one can read the script, romanization doesn't help. --Tarnjp 02:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

That seems sensible. Similarly, there doesn't seem to be much reason to include hanja. It seems more distracting than helpful and perhaps even confusing for English-speaking readers to whom this may be the first exposure to Korean. The intro paragraph used to read something like this:


 * In the Republic of Korea, the language is most often called 한국말 (韓國말, Han-gung-mal), or more formally, 한국어 (韓國語, Han-gug-eo) or 국어 (國語 Gug-eo; literally "national language"). In North Korea and Yanbian, the language is most often called 조선말 (朝鮮말, Chosŏnmal), or more formally, 조선어 (朝鮮語, Chosŏnŏ).

So, being bold, I removed the hanja and added links to the dictionary entries for each hangeul term. The interested reader can then just click to see the hanja forms and etymology of each hangeul word. OK? Rodasmith 20:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm back
I'm back after a whole year. Noticed lesson one and two got uber upgrades. I'll be starting from lesson three, and yes, I'll be minimizing the roman characters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.129.224.160 (talk • contribs) 2007-06-26T19:24:27.


 * Glad you're back. Do you have a Wikibooks username?  Regardless, check out Korean/Courses plan.  It looks like some of the topics in lessons 1 and 2 should be shuffled into later lessons in order to cover the most important concepts first.  Or, just edit lesson 3 and things will be shuffled as we go.  :-)  Rodasmith 20:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm planning on something like, every two three lessons of conversation, there should be some type of list lesson. If we do it that way, then numbers would be a fine third lesson, but still not sure.  In anycase, it needs to be revamped.  I'll wait for a reply before I start editing and meanwhile I'll compile a third conversation lesson as well as a number lesson.  BTW, I do have an account, it should be iamgravity.  Just too lazy to log on atm because I come home from work very late. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.129.224.160 (talk • contribs) 2007-06-28T07:53:47.


 * Coolness. If you build out lesson three as the numbers lesson and we later decide it belongs elsewhere, we can always move it, so feel free to dig in.  :-)  If you want to help with the lessons plan instead, go right ahead.  Welcome back, Iamgravity.  Rodasmith 19:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Punctuation anyone?
I think we need to have lessons on punctuation or at least tell them that there are no punctuations in Korean if there are none. -- H  A YSON1991  00:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Er, Korean punctuation rules are more or less the same as English. Albeit there are some minor differences (I don't recall seeing colon, semicolon, or various dashes (em-dash, en-dash, hyphen) in Korean writing), at least the uses of period and comma is more or less the same (er, no apostrophe either, since Koreans either don't shorten phrases, or *really* shorten them by something akin to acronym). Having said that, I don't know what the lesson would say ... other than that "." corresponds to a full stop and "," corresponds to a half stop. novakyu (talk) 10:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Korean does use colons, although it is common practice when typing in hangeul to leave a space before and after a colon. 12 July 2014

Altaic
I have removed Template:Altaic languages, since the inclusion of Korean in Altaic is not generally accepted.

See the discussion at Template talk:Altaic languages.

Nbarth (talk) 00:11, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The reference to the Altaic languages still exists in the introduction section and my edit to remove it was reverted. Is there a consensus on this or not? At the least we should include a notice that the theory is disputed. Markus031098 (discuss • contribs) 20:43, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Beginner Section needs editing
I'm planning on merging the Taxi and Public transportation chapters so that students can learn how to ask/give directions and handle other basic tasks like buying tickets and finding out schedules, etc. The Medical and Body Parts chapters need to be merged as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott Stinson (discuss • contribs) 2008-06-06T09:10:04


 * The "Recreation / In a taxi" chapter (at Korean/Lesson I5) was designated as a "Beginner" lesson, but "public transportation" chapter (at Korean/Lesson II4) is supposedly a "High beginner" chapter. I suppose that's because complete beginners might be able to get around in a taxi, but it could take more language skills to purchase the right ticket for public transportation and to read the maps.  But, both of those lessons are far from complete, so if you think they might both work for complete beginners, feel free to merge them.  Whether you merge them or not, have fun building them out.  There's plenty of vocab to add and the whole thing should probably work more like a lesson than a simple phrase list. :-)  Rodasmith (talk) 18:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Pronounciation
Is Revised-Romanization standard of these book? I'd like to contribute here.--Kwj2772 (talk) 07:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Book Suggestion
I've been away from wikibooks for a few months, and recently decided to peek around. I've been looking for a good public domain book for the Japanese book for quite some time. I found some by the FSI back in the late 60s / early 70s. Since it's a government derived work, it's not protected by copyright and placed into public domain. However, there may be some slight issues with outdated vocabulary, so I would tread lightly. Retropunk (talk) 08:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Audio?
While a picture is worth a thousand words, I would hazard that a soundbite is worth a thousand glyphs. The IPA is all well and good (and an India Pale Ale might be even better for some folks and situations), but a few snippets of audio recordings of the various conversation bits (or even just the hangul themselves for starters!) would go ever so much further. -- Erik Anderson, 67.182.137.135 (talk) 08:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I registered an account to say just this. If a native speaker could help out or if someone could cut together some public domain audio clips it would help out a lot! --Kaminix (talk) 12:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * There don't seem to be any active contributors to this wikibook. Should you know any native speakers, feel free to try to recruit them. You could also try to post requests on language related message boards or something similar. --Swift (talk) 17:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

names?
where are they