Talk:Japanese/Grammar/Counters

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 It seems like a couple of points are missing. 
 * That 一人 and 二人 are read differently should be indicated in the table itself, and not just in a comment in the beginning. There should be an indication that the counters -人, -日, (and others) are special in this regard.
 * That the pronunciation for the counter changes depending on how it sounds with the number, e.g. 三杯 is pronounced さんばい instead of さんはい. If there is no consistent rule, then there should be a way to indicate the exceptions in the table.  If there is a mostly consistent rule, then the exceptions should be noted.
 * There should some indication of which is preferred of し/よん　and しち/なな. Such as 四月 (しがつ, not よんがつ).  Similarly you don't say しにん for 四人 (よにん, よんにん).


 * Seems good points (BTW, we don't say よんにん for 四人, just よにん (or is it Hougen maybe?)) - Marsian / talk 09:11:35, 2005-08-25 (UTC)
 * I added some examples. - Marsian / talk 11:59:02, 2005-08-25 (UTC)

What does the "ゃ" mean in ちゃく (chaku)? - Sik0fewl 15:31, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * What do you mean? You probably know ちゃ is normally written as cha (Japanese/Kana Chart)... although I prefer to type "tya" for ちゃ ("cya" can also be used) - Marsian / talk 09:11:35, 2005-08-25 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for the reply, but (as you can see from the timestamp) that was and old comment when I first getting into Japanese and somehow I missed out on the y-group modifiers the first time around. – Sik0fewl 14:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
 * A-ha. I feel you've been an expert... You're an incredibly good Japanese larner then :) - Marsian / talk 05:07:13, 2005-08-26 (UTC)
 * Heh, I wouldn't say that. I usually need to make a lot of references when replying on the Talk pages to make sure I haven't made any mistakes :) – Sik0fewl 14:46, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

About example table
- Marsian / talk 11:59:02, 2005-08-25 (UTC)
 * 1) I removed 度 for Times (occurrences) for and replaed it by 回 / removed カロリー and replaced it by ジュール (you can revert if you want, but I recommend キロカロリー)
 * インチ, フィート, ポンド(mass), ガロン, マイル are rarely used in Japan (thus, in Japanese conversations). Are they needed? In fact, in aviation people use them. But other than the field... (ヤード is a bit popural 'cos it's used in golf)
 * 1) Added examples mainly just for 1, 2, and 10. Might seem ugly, or, might be inadequate (all the 1 - 10 is needed?)
 * 2) It's quite difficult task for me to determine whhter to use, じっこ or じゅっこ (or this kind of じっ/じゅっ problem)! See Japanese counter word for detail. For instance, in this page (ja), じゅっこ gets 115 votes while じっこ just garners 14 votes. This exmple shows what (at least younger generation) Japanese feel. Anyway, what I've selected were just by my feelings ;) I don't have any strong opinion on this issue. Please feel free to edit (you may want to set all for じっ or じゅっ, or...).
 * "じっ" is understandable, but don't sounds naturally. Most Japanese people pronounce "十" as "じゅっ" in the discussed cases. Though there is an exception in an antiquated noun: "十手(じって、じゅって)", there would be no exception in counters (in the standard). -- Tohru 05:53, 30 October 2005 (UTC)