Talk:Japanese/Deletion Archive 1

Deleting orphans
I've found a number of orphans which seem to be remnants of the past, not to be redeemed. How do people feel about deleting these:
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Konnichiwa/Parts
 * 2) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Wakarimasu yo/Parts
 * 3) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Introduction/Navbar
 * 4) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Navbar
 * 5) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Ii tenki desu ne/Navbar
 * 6) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Konnichiwa/Navbar
 * 7) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Konnichiwa/Noun predicates/Navbar
 * 8) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Navbar
 * 9) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Ogenki desu ka/Navbar
 * 10) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Wakarimasu yo/Affirmative and negative forms/Navbar
 * 11) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Wakarimasu yo/Navbar
 * 12) Japanese/Lessons/Navbar
 * 13) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Amari muzukashikunai desu/Navbar
 * 14) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Konnichiwa/Printable version
 * 15) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Ogenki desu ka/Printable version

They were all created in 2006. The "Introduction/*/Navbar" pages were modified in February 2008 by User:Neoptolemus to link to the "Lesson n" form, but they still partly link to the old pages. None of these is linked to anywhere but User:Hagindaz/Orphans and User:Everlong/Orphans.

As none of these has any meaningful content (navigation aids that point to two seperate sets of pages, printable versions of incomplete pages that aren't used any more) they all fit the criteria for speedy deletion. Just wanted to quickly check here first, though. Maybe someone interested in the printables? --Swift (talk) 13:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I vote for deleting the whole lot. As you noticed, a lot of them are broken anyways by previous moves, merges, or whatever else.  Add the printable versions once a solid version is accomplished.  A navbar could be made again with relative ease.    Retropunk (talk) 13:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I vote for deleting them too, its just extra weight thats taking up space on the server and isn't serving any purpose, if any of them Do have anything relevant, then move it over onto another page or put it back in with fixed links Cysaki (talk) 01:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * While I have linked the Navbar to the contents page, this was for pure aesthetics. I just wanted to show that the lesson plan is split into multiple parts.  Additionally, I've sorted out all the sections on the page.  Feel free to move some if you believe they belong elsewhere.  Retropunk (talk) 06:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I was going to wait another couple of days, but figured this topic has gotten the attention of everyone interested. I've deleted all but the "Parts" pages and the ones Retropunk put on the Japanese/Contents page. I guess they are useful for now.
 * Any of these can be restored, so feel free to speak up if you'd like some of them back. --Swift (talk) 06:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry to join in here so late. I did a lot of work in the Japanese book to change colons to slashes in titles (like moving Japanese:Contents to Japanese/Contents and the like), with which I assume my work with these pages was concerned. I never finished the project because I realized I was in way over my head (speaking three words of Japanese, and not understanding the layout of the book), so I stopped. It's still a mess, and I would not object to these navigation aids being deleted. Νεοπτόλεμος ( talk &#124; email &#124; contribs ) 01:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Done I've just deleted the last of these. --Swift (talk) 15:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Pages

 * 1) Japanese/Romaji - Useful data in Japanese/Pronunciation
 * Delete page. Retropunk (talk) 01:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it might be useful to have a romaji page. The current content is useless, however. --Swift (talk) 08:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose we can copy the punctuation page over the current the roomaji page. --Retropunk (talk) 03:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, since "romaji" is a seperate topic from pronunciation, I'm not sure that would be useful. How about just writing something on transliteration. Needn't be much, but it might be useful for pages linking to it. Alternatively, we could just scrap this and link to the Wikipedia entry. --Swift (talk) 06:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The pronunciation page does not show Japanese pronunciation. It shows the Hepburn Transliteration with a few voice samples for pronunciation.  Showing the syllabary to someone in England, Austraila, Canada, and US, you'll get different pronunciations from the current page.  It does show some other linguistic concepts of Japanese (mora, devoicing, and pitch,) but it's a far cry from "Japanese Pronunciation." The more I think about this Pronunciation page, the more I want to scrap it and stop trying to fit everything else into it.  --Retropunk (talk) 07:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done Wherever the content ends up at, it's currently in more detail at the Pronunciation page. --Swift (talk) 03:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Introduction/Mora - Merged to Japanese/Pronunciation
 * Page should be deleted since its been merged. Retropunk (talk) 01:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. --Swift (talk) 08:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --03:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Hougen - Merged to Japanese/Dialects
 * Page should be deleted since its been merged. Retropunk (talk) 01:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. --Swift (talk) 08:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --03:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Conjugation table with Romaji
 * Learning hiragana should probably come before this table. --Swift (talk) 03:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 16:11, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Kanji Lessons Introduction
 * There is little of use here. --Swift (talk) 16:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I concur on deletion --Retropunk (talk) 03:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --03:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Vocabulary/Company Names
 * There is nothing here... --Swift (talk) 17:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I concur on deletion. --Retropunk (talk) 19:35, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --03:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Kana
 * Redundant with Japanese/Reading Hiragana. --Swift (talk) 06:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea.--Retropunk (talk) 05:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done
 * Page recreated in an attempt to merge Japanese/Reading Hiragana, Japanese/Lessons/Lesson 8 and Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group ya usage notes. --Swift (talk) 06:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Appendices
 * Just a list of links that are already gathered elsewhere. --Swift (talk) 04:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea.--Retropunk (talk) 05:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done
 * 1) Japanese/Limbo
 * List of links from a previous rewrite of this book. --Swift (talk) 04:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea.--Retropunk (talk) 05:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done
 * 1) Japanese/Reference
 * This is pretty much just a copy of the current front page and thus not of any use as far as I can see. --Swift (talk) 03:04, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye.--Retropunk (talk) 05:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done
 * 1) Japanese/Introduction/Consonant doubling & long vowels
 * I finished the merger. --Swift (talk) 03:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea. --Retropunk (talk) 05:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done
 * 1) Japanese/Other Resources
 * This is redundant with Japanese/Internet Links. --Swift (talk) 03:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redundant. Delete. --Retropunk (talk) 21:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 02:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Guides
 * Redundant. --Swift (talk) 03:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redundant. Delete. --Retropunk (talk) 21:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 02:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Miscellaneous
 * Redundant. --Swift (talk) 03:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redundant. Delete. --Retropunk (talk) 21:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 02:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Word order in Japanese
 * Redundant. --Swift (talk) 03:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Lesson 6/Hiragana Chart
 * 2) Japanese/Lessons/Lesson 8/Katakana Chart
 * Redundant with Japanese/Kana Chart but not as thorough. If there is interest in special charts for each of the kana on seperate pages, we could put up new ones at Japanese/{hirag,katak}ana. --Swift (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done
 * 1) Japanese/Related wikibooks
 * Redundant with the main page. --Swift (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redundant. Delete. --Retropunk (talk) 21:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 02:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Grammar/Table of contents
 * Unused --Swift (talk) 02:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done
 * 1) Japanese/Module collaboration
 * Outdated. --Swift (talk) 03:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Retropunk (talk) 21:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 02:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Vocabulary/Universe
 * Page was merged with Japanese/Vocabulary/Astronomy. --Retropunk (talk) 21:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. --Swift (talk) 00:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Grammar_Lessons/Chapter_0/Hiragana_group_a
 * 2) Japanese/Grammar_Lessons/Chapter_0/Hiragana_group_ka
 * 3) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group sa
 * 4) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group ta
 * 5) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group na
 * 6) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group ha
 * 7) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group ma
 * 8) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group ya
 * 9) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group wa
 * 10) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group ra
 * 11) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group n
 * These are (I think completely) redundant with the hiragana pages linked to from Japanese/Reading_Hiragana. --Swift (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done
 * 1) Japanese/Kanji/Contributor's Guide
 * I've moved the useful stuff to Japanese/Contributor's_Guide. This page is otherwise just a leftover from a previous team. --Swift (talk) 04:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done
 * 1) Japanese/Contribute
 * If we scrap the Authors page, then this page has no contents of value other than a link to the Japanese/Contributor's Guide and a few external resources which we could salvage and put somewhere more appropriate. --Swift (talk) 03:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Smite it! --Retropunk (talk) 07:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Vocabulary/Nouns
 * A list of random nouns. No rationale for the choice of words. Scope way too wide. --Swift (talk) 01:54, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Smite it! --Retropunk (talk) 07:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Kanji Lessons
 * I've just moved the links on this page to Japanese/Kanji and updated the completion indices. This page is now useless, redundant and outdated. --Swift (talk) 17:17, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Smite it! --Retropunk (talk) 07:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Introductory notes on kanji
 * Introductory notes on kanji lessons ... that never seem to have been made. Now outdated and mostly redundant. --Swift (talk) 17:23, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Smite it! --Retropunk (talk) 07:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lesson/Vocabulary List 1
 * Supposedly a "review of all the vocabulary used in [the Japanese/Basic Japanese lessons]." That isn't correct and would be a bad idea anyway since it would be way too long (twelve lessons) and difficult to maintain. --Swift (talk) 20:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Smite it! --Retropunk (talk) 07:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Ii tenki desu ne/Special kana rules
 * Redundant with Japanese/Pronunciation and Japanese/Kana. --Swift (talk) 03:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Smite it! --Retropunk (talk) 07:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Reading Hiragana
 * 2) Japanese/Lessons/Lesson 8
 * 3) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Hiragana group ya usage notes
 * These have been superceded by Japanese/Kana --Swift (talk) 01:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Vocabulary/Buildings
 * There is hardly anything here. I don't see it going anywhere and there would be no loss to it. --Swift (talk) 03:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Retropunk (talk) 00:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Vocabulary/Language Names
 * Were this page to grow, it would largely just duplicate Japanese/Vocabulary/Country names. I've added information on languages (and nationalities) on the country page. --Swift (talk) 03:05, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Retropunk (talk) 00:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Calendar
 * This is very encyclopaedic in content and tone. I don't see this contributing to this wikibook in the forseeable future. --Swift (talk) 16:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Retropunk (talk) 00:01, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Konnichiwa/Pronunciation
 * I've merged the useful bits with Japanese/Pronunciation. --Swift (talk) 04:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. -- Retropunk (talk) 08:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 13:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Grammar Lessons
 * This page is obsolete. --Swift (talk) 04:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. Not only is is obsolete, but very incomplete. -- Retropunk (talk) 08:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 13:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0
 * This page serves little purpose any more and has next to no content. --Swift (talk) 04:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. -- Retropunk (talk) 08:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 13:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Lesson 2
 * Numbers and colours. This is redundant with the vocabulary pages. We have other pages that deal with such elementary sentences. --Swift (talk) 04:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. -- Retropunk (talk) 08:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 13:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Guide
 * I've just merged the useful stuff into Japanese/Grammar/Introduction. --Swift (talk) 16:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agree. -- Retropunk (talk) 08:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 13:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 0/Introducing Japanese
 * The contents on this page belong elsewhere and will be merged out. Delete only after the second section has been merged. --Swift (talk) 04:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've gone through this and didn't find anything worth mergin. Let's delete. --Swift (talk) 05:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Concur. --Retropunk (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Introduction/Reading Japanese
 * Nothing worth merging and is thus redundant. --Swift (talk) 05:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Concur. --Retropunk (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Ogenki desu ka/Gojuuon and hiragana
 * Merged. --Swift (talk) 06:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Concur. --Retropunk (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Introduction/Japanese punctuation
 * Merged a bit and placed the table in Japanese/Vocabulary/Punctuation. I left the emoticons since they a) don't belong in a language book and b) shouldn't need explaining anyway! --Swift (talk) 06:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done Oops. In the heat of things, I didn't notice that you hadn't commented on this one, Retropunk. Let me know if you'd like me to restore it so that you can have another look. --Swift (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Printable_version
 * Outdated and would take more work to fix than redo. --Swift (talk) 07:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Concur. --Retropunk (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Grammar/Giving
 * This has been merged with Japanese/Lesson Giving and Receiving. --Swift (talk) 16:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Concur. --Retropunk (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Elementary Japanese/Lesson 9
 * This is redundant with Japanese/Lesson Comparisons. --Swift (talk) 03:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Concur. --Retropunk (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Japanese Tests
 * The links were all out of date. --Swift (talk) 05:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Concur. --Retropunk (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Grammar
 * 2) Japanese/Grammar Lessons/Chapter 1
 * These are grammar lesson lists that categorise grammar points. I don't see them being useful for anyone any more. --Swift (talk) 06:16, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * A grammar page may be useful at some point in time as things settle (i.e., as more points are explained), but I don't think its current state will reflect a future state. --Retropunk (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Can I take that to be in agreement of deletion? --Swift (talk) 16:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 04:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Random_Lessons_watashi
 * Somewhat redundant with Japanese/Grammar/Pronouns. Merged explanations to the aforementioned page.  The examples are poor and not worth salvaging.  -- Retropunk (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree --Swift (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 16:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Popular counting postfixes
 * This is completely redundant with Japanese/Grammar/Counters --Swift (talk) 04:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 04:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Expert
 * I've discovered that there are numerous pages that didn't get included on the Japanese/Contents page. I'm currently adding them, but this one just seems useless. --Swift (talk) 02:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's humorous to see people deem some easy elementary Japanese as "Expert" or some other high-level term. Delete it. --Retropunk (talk) 07:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 13:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Intermediate
 * 2) Japanese/Lesson/Past_tense
 * 3) Japanese/Lesson/Present tense
 * I was trying to merge the material in this page elsewhere, but it appears most of the material is already available in Japanese/Grammar/Verbs.  The tense pages could be brought back if someone wants to make a grammar/lesson page on it, but the current material doesn't suffice for one.  A good example would be the progressive tense page. Rehashing the same information with However, the Japanese/Grammar/Verbs page should be developed more.  I'll add a TODO page on it.  --Retropunk (talk) 07:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree. --Swift (talk) 13:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 13:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Random Lessons The Ne Particle
 * Japanese/Lessons/Sentence ending particles describes the ne particle better. Nothing worth salvaging. -- Retropunk (talk) 09:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree. --Swift (talk) 10:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 10:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lesson/Topic marker
 * Japanese/Grammar/Basic Particles describes this better. Nothing worth salvaging.--Retropunk (talk) 09:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree. --Swift (talk) 10:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 10:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Chinese_numbers
 * 2) Japanese/Kanji/Numerals
 * There was no real reason to have three different pages on this. The latter summarized both Chinese and scoring - and a bit poorly on the writing.  I scrapped the writing.  If we wish to show how to write them, just use the CJK project. Relevant parts were merged to Japanese/Lessons/Native Japanese counting, which needs to be renamed at some point in time and copyediting.  --Retropunk (talk) 08:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree, and ...
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done with histories merged. --Swift (talk) 09:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Grammar/Pronouns
 * Japanese/Lessons/Personal_pronouns is actually better written, more pronouns, but no examples. I'm not sure if there's really a need for examples for personal pronouns.  Personal pronouns are so elementary that trying to use an example to explain them seems a bit wonky.  If the person understands the sentence, they understand the basic personal pronouns.  If they can not understand the sentence example, what good is the example?  The latter page should probably be renamed at a later time.  -- Retropunk (talk) 09:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree, and ...
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 09:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Elementary Japanese/Lesson 3
 * 2) Japanese/Lessons/Lesson 4
 * I've merged these into Japanese/Lesson/Telling time. I'd like to merge the edit histories and delete the remaining redirects as they are of no value. --Swift (talk) 13:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Retropunk (talk) 22:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done --Swift (talk) 04:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons
 * 2) Japanese/Material to be Re-organised
 * The former is just an out-dated list of lessons. The latter is a splicing of the former with Japanese/Lessons/Basic --Swift (talk) 09:40, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Retropunk (talk) 22:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done --Swift (talk) 04:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction
 * The first half of this is just an old lesson list. The second is redundant with Japanese/Lessons/Lesson_5. --Swift (talk) 05:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Retropunk (talk) 22:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done --Swift (talk) 04:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: Japanese/Lessons/Lesson_5 has beeen merged with Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Konnichiwa/Formal salutations. --Swift (talk) 11:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Lesson 7
 * Redundant with the various pages on particles, Japanese/Demonstratives, Japanese/Grammar/Verbs and Japanese/Verb conjugation table. --Swift (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. --Retropunk (talk) 22:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done --Swift (talk) 04:13, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Authors
 * It's hardly causing any harm, but has no content and doesn't contribute to the project. This book is so complicated by now, that it seems fairly impossible to determine any real authorship. For better or for worse, this book has quite a complex background. For active contributors, see the histories. --Swift (talk) 03:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm thinking of putting some of User:Marsian's soundfiles up on this page. Not sure how one would keep it up to date easily. Surely we shouldn't be wasting too much time on that. --Swift (talk) 02:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC) Scrap it, let's get rid of this. --Swift (talk) 01:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Retropunk (talk) 07:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done --Swift (talk) 08:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/ko-so-a-do pronouns
 * I've merged the little that wasn't redundant with Japanese/Demonstratives. We might as well merge the edit histories together. --Swift (talk) 13:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There seems to still be material to be merged - namely the underlying tone of different demonstratives and interrogatives.  -- Retropunk (talk) 22:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Whew! Good you were there to cath that. I just added the descriptions. Thanks! All good now? --Swift (talk) 03:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay to delete now. --Retropunk (talk) 07:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done I merged the edit histories and left the redirect. Not sure if it's useful or not... --Swift (talk) 08:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just deleted the redirect. --Swift (talk) 11:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Elementary Japanese
 * 2) Japanese/Basic Japanese
 * 3) Japanese/Random Lessons
 * 4) Japanese/Intermediate Japanese
 * These are old lesson lists that don't reflect the structure of this book any more and have no meaningful content. --Swift (talk) 09:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Retropunk (talk) 07:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done --Swift (talk) 08:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Ogenki desu ka/Talking about how you are doing
 * 2) Japanese/Elementary Japanese/Lesson 1
 * 3) Japanese/Lesson/Introducing yourself
 * 4) Japanese/Lessons/Lesson 1
 * 5) Japanese/Lessons/Lesson 5
 * 6) Japanese/Lesson Greetings
 * No need to actually delete them, but we should merge the edit histories. These have all been merged into the mammoth Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Konnichiwa/Formal salutations. After racking my brains over these overlapping bits and pieces, I decided this was the best way to go. We might want to split this up later, but sorting this out in seperate pages is just too big a headache while we don't have a decent lesson plan with an ordered grammar list. I guess we really need to address that soon... --Swift (talk) 19:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is definitely too large to be finalized. I suppose the pages could be deleted, and the pages could be separated again at a later time and copyedit. -- Retropunk (talk) 22:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done --Swift (talk) 11:20, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Japanese/Kana/Lessons/Katakana/Lesson 1/Exercises
 * 2) Japanese/Kana/Lessons/Katakana/Lesson 1/Key
 * 3) Japanese/Kana/Lessons/Katakana/Lesson 2/Exercises
 * 4) Japanese/Kana/Lessons/Katakana/Lesson 2/Key
 * Learning these characters takes more than thirty goes. This is best done using drilling software of which there is much. I think we should rather link to useful software and websites that do that better. --Swift (talk) 03:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe these should stay, for people who are not inclined to go to other websites or use other software. If the existence of better software or better webpages was an argument, we shouldn't be teaching Japanese here at all. And if "Learning these characters takes more than thirty goes" was an argument, all of the Wikibook language courses should be deleted, as none of them are complete enough to teach the language - teaching the language takes more than a couple lessons. Junesun (talk) 07:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * These were indeed the argument. I don't see how it follows that we should abandon our work and delete this wikibook &mdash; unless we assume that this book will never match other free on-line Japanese study materials (if that were the case, we certainly should).
 * I do think that there are areas where this book can be immensely valuable. Character drilling isn't one of these and I see no shame in linking to tools when these are the best for the task at hand. Wikibooks is just the means, not the end in itself. --Swift (talk) 04:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Moving these to Wikiversity would of course be an alternative. --Swift (talk) 01:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The only problem I have with moving these to Wikiversity is where do we stop? Shall we move all Exercises and Keys to Wikiversity?  If we do, we're coupling both books, which isn't really bad, but we would need some correspondence with someone spearheading that page such that it doesn't have a bunch of Exercises/Keys, but no material introducing the exercises.  For the kana, I believe there's already material for it on Wikiversity, so I'm not against deleting these pages, but I believe we need to talk more about the correspondence with Wikiversity.   --Retropunk (talk) 07:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd say we stop wherever we please -- it simply depends on what sort of a consensus we get. I'd like to have these deleted because I don't think they contribute much to the way one learns the kana. I'm all for excercises that deepen the students understanding and intuition for the material. Simple tests like the pages above are so much less effective than the available software tools.
 * As for communication with Wikiversity, there won't really be any. The Wikiversity Japanese department seems to be pretty dormant. Essentially, I think we can do with it as we please. The existing materials on Wikiversity already use Wikibooks as a resource for their lessons. --Swift (talk) 14:46, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * After working on this book for a little while now, I've had some time to think about this and I'm as certain as ever that this in no way contributes to this wikibook. I'm all in favour of includig plenty of practice content, but this really doesn't teach users anything. At best it is a measure of how well they have learnt ... in which case it belongs at Wikiversity. --Swift (talk) 10:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Deleted. I contacted Junesun a good while ago and she said she'd look over this and comment. So far she hasn't. There is no activity on the Wikiversity Japanese stream so there is little use in moving it there as it is easy to regenerate. If anyone wants this temporarily undeleted so it can be moved over, feel free to send me a line or contact another administrator. --Swift (talk) 11:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Templates
I went on a spree, weeding out unused and out-dated templates. There are several more that I think should maybe go. --Swift (talk) 03:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Template:Jalesson-3
 * 2) Template:Jalesson-4
 * 3) Template:Jalesson-5
 * 4) Template:Jalesson-6
 * 5) Template:Jalesson-7
 * The templates above are unused but mentioned at Japanese/Contributor's_Guide so I figured I should maybe not act without discussion. --Swift (talk) 03:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done (yesterday) --Swift (talk) 01:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Template:Japanese-grammar
 * This template is included on a number of pages, but the specific links are dead. The present layout doesn't need a template and once there is need/viability for a new one, it'll be rewritten from scratch anyway. --Swift (talk) 03:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done (yesterday) --Swift (talk) 01:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Template:Jagram
 * According to the /Contributor's Guide/, the purpose of this was to create a "grammar dictionary or grammar reference". I don't think this is viable at this point. I think it would be useful to scale back the ambitions a bit and remove this template. Scattered references will do little to improve the quality of this book. On the contrary, they will probably do the opposite. --Swift (talk) 01:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Smite it! --Retropunk (talk) 07:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 15:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Template:Japanese:Vocabulary:Entry
 * 2) Template:Japanese:Vocabulary:Footer
 * 3) Template:Japanese:Vocabulary:Header
 * These have now been replaced with . --Swift (talk) 13:34, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 04:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Template:Japagehead
 * 2) Template:Japagehead2
 * 3) Template:Japagehead3
 * These are only used in Japanese/Lessons/Introduction/Printable_version. I'm not adverse to leaving them be, but it does introduce inconsistencies in presentation and I don't think we should start imposing this sort of style rules on the book. People can do that for themselves with personal styles. --Swift (talk) 03:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 16:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Template:Japanese: Basic Japanese TOC
 * This is useful for now as it shows the structure of a set of lessons. Will probably be taken out eventually, so I figured I'd list it here. --Swift (talk) 03:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done Out of the 12 pages linked to from this template, only five contain the template and three have been deleted. --Swift (talk) 14:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Template:Japanese
 * This is similarly outdated. Only three pages link to it and it offers nothing over the main page that cannot be created in a new (better) navigation template. --Swift (talk) 04:19, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * agreed. --Retropunk (talk) 09:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes check.svg|15px]] Done --Swift (talk) 10:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Template:Elementary Japanese TOC
 * Another out-dated navigation template. --Swift (talk) 15:45, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Retropunk (talk) 07:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done --Swift (talk) 08:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Redirects

 * 1) All of the old naming convention pages: Special:PrefixIndex/Japanese:
 * These are unused, neither reflect the current state of the book or contribute to it in any way, and just serve to clutter up the PrefixIndex. --Swift (talk) 03:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * agreed. --Retropunk (talk) 09:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done --Swift (talk) 07:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) All of the old noun sub-page vocabulary pages: Special:PrefixIndex/Japanese/Vocabulary/Nouns
 * These are unhelpful in locating content and clutter up the PrefixIndex. --Swift (talk) 03:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * agreed. --Retropunk (talk) 09:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Yes_check.svg|15px| ]] Done --Swift (talk) 06:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)