Talk:Issues in Interdisciplinarity 2020-21/Is Modest Clothing Constrained by Social Norms or the Manifestation of Individual Freedom?

Meeting Notes from 20/11/2020 - Initial Ideas
Attendees: Lucky Lilac Lion, WoodzyMoodzy, Djungelskog1, Mathildem16

Disciplines:

Dystopian Literature


 * Trope: dystopias control how people have to dress


 * being oppressed, forced to conform to status quo, lose individuality


 * e.g. The Handmaid’s Tale – costumes are modest, covering their head and bodies from neck to ankles

Feminist Social Anthropology


 * not oppressed/ forced to dress a certain way but expressing their own culture, identity


 * Eurocentric/ ethnocentric to say they are being oppressed with clothing, which makes them lose their identity/ individuality


 * e.g. Middle Eastern countries – women are expected to wear modest clothing

Research Question Ideas


 * When is fashion considered restrictive?


 * Is modesty in fashion restrictive/ restricting individuality? (specifically, women’s fashion)


 * How does the perception/ expectation of truth in fashion differ in fictional and real-world societies?


 * Truth in dress codes: imposed or free will?

Why choosing these disciplines to answer the research question?


 * Dystopian literature has a common trope which illustrates how people can be oppressed through clothing


 * Feminist Social Anthropology gives a perspective to the question from other cultures

To do:


 * Justify them as disciplines - find discipline markers


 * Choose a research question - fix the wording of it


 * Do more research into fashion in Dystopian Literature and fashion as seen in Feminist Social Anthropology

--Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 13:56, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Meeting Notes from 27/11/2020 - Plan
Attendees: Lucky Lilac Lion, WoodzyMoodzy, Mathildem16, Djungelskog1

Introduction (200 words)

Why we've decided to focus on women (WoodzyMoodzy)

Why we've chosen these disciplines to answer the question (Mathilde.16,WoodzyMoodzy)

Responses/ Disciplines (400 words per discipline)

History/Emergence of Dystopian Literature as a sub-discipline of English Literature (Djungelskog1, Mathilde.16)

History/Emergence of Feminist Anthropology (Lucky Lilac Lion)

Conclusion

Discussing the tension between the disciplines (200 words)

Referencing (Djungelskog1,Mathildem16,WoodzyMoodzy)

Adding wikilinks, illustrations (Lucky Lilac Lion, Mathildem16)

--WoodzyMoodzy (discuss • contribs) 14:40, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I've added the headings to the sandbox page so when we add our sections we can just click the edit button on each section instead of having to edit the entire thing all at once. Djungelskog1 (discuss • contribs) 19:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Meeting Notes from 04/12/2020 - To Do
Attendees: Lucky Lilac Lion, WoodzyMoodzy, Djungelskog1, Mathildem16

To Do:

-       Are we going to include wikilinks to Wikipedia articles? Yes (Lucky Lilac Lion) -       Shorten overall text (Lucky Lilac Lion, Mathildem16) -       Add references to introduction (WoodzyMoodzy, Mathildem16) -       Add references to English literature (Djungelskog1, Mathildem16)

-       English – needs more exploration of clothing specifically (e.g. through an example or two) (Djungelskog1, Mathildem16)

Djungelskog1 (discuss • contribs) 13:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Meeting Notes from 09/12/2020 - Reducing text length
Attendees: Lucky Lilac Lion, WoodzyMoodzy, Djungelskog1, Mathildem16

We spent 2 hours over the phone, going through each sentences to see how we could make our contribution fit into the 1200 word restriction. Section by section, we each read on our side the text and highlighted what we thought we could delete, before going through it afterwards altogether and seeing how the text would finally look.

To do: -add a 100 word paragraph on The Handmaid's Tale (literary studies response)

-adapt the introduction 1st paragraph

-adapt the social anthropology 2nd paragraph

-check references

-proof read

-check work length (word count)

Next meeting is scheduled for Friday lunchtime.

Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 19:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

An important thing to remember also (that we pointed it out in our meeting) was to submit our work early enough and check the plagiarism percentage with turnitin. --Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 19:20, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Meeting Notes from 11/12/2020 - Final meeting and live submission with every attendees
Attendees: Lucky Lilac Lion, WoodzyMoodzy, Djungelskog1, Mathildem16

-We went through the chapter one last time and checked the referencing.

-Live submission on Moodle of our chapter.

--Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 13:14, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Guidance for assessment
We talked about it during our last meeting, so I decided to summarise the main assessment criteria here. I hope this will help!

1.	Identify a problem/question which could be examined from an interdisciplinary point of view

2.	Identify a tension between the 2 disciplines=identify where people having a one-sided disciplinary perspective fail to agree with other people working in a different field (this may be because of a disagreement or a simple unawareness of each-others’ works)

3.	Attribute this tension to one of the issues studied in this module (there is no need to provide an answer to the tension, but attempts at solving it are welcomed)

4.	Marks:

-Content: 50% “Regular, thoughtful, precise and relevant contributions, which play an important role in the development of the project. A courteous and professional tone throughout.” -Contribution: 30% “An excellent discussion of an issue in an example of interdisciplinary work. Of clear interest for stakeholders or students thinking of entering” -Writing: 10% “Excellent writing, with few to no grammatical errors or moments of awkward phrasing” -Research and Referencing 10% “Flawless or nearly flawless referencing, with an appropriate range, number and quality of works cited”

--Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 11:02, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, thank you for this. It's very useful to have the criteria easily accessible here. Also we must not forget that the strict word limit is 1200 words. --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 14:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Idea for Outlining the History of the Disciplines
Hey, I came up with a general plan that we could follow when writing about how each discipline's history evolved and developed their understanding of fashion/ self expression.

English Literature:
 * history of how English literature/ literary studies became a discipline
 * literary studies is a subdiscipline and includes studying dystopian fiction
 * dystopias have common trope of restricting individuality (e.g. through clothing choice)
 * give examples of books and some feminist critiques which mention how clothing is a mode of restricting individual freedom

Social Anthropology:
 * history of how the discipline of social anthropology was initially male-dominated
 * in the 20th century with the rise of feminism, it started focusing more on gender
 * anthropologist now argue that not every culture experiences gender/ oppression in the same way (e.g. different views about self-expression through clothing)
 * give examples of feminist social anthropologists who mention this idea

--Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 12:07, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Summary of the work so far: topo
Here are a few point I wanted to make after working on the chapter this afternoon and as a follow-up of our meeting a few hours ago:

-I took the liberty to add a word in the introduction "Dystopian English Literature". This is to be consistent throughout our chapter and consistently refer to the same sub-discipline. I also need to verify with #WoodzyMoodzy but our response for Dystopian Literature is based on two works which may not be specifically English Dystopian Literature (but international/foreign). In that case, we would need to remove the "English" everywhere from our chapter to be logical.

-Speaking of consistency, I saw that in the introduction and the response for Social Anthropology, the approach is focused on women and especially on feminist clothing, which is not the case for the Dystopian Literature response. Is that an issue?

-Also, in the introduction for the Dystopian Literature, I mentioned The Handmaid's Tale as an example of clothing oppression in Dystopian Literature but don't further develop this example in my response. Do you feel I should delete it, so I stay consistent and not head into multiple directions, quoting or mentioning 5 different examples (even if they support our point)?

-I was thinking that maybe we could think of "funnier titles" than just "introduction" or "responses". Of course, this is an academic work and the aim is not to be comic or anything, but I was thinking that maybe something out of the ordinary or a bit atypical, intriguing, could be interesting, to catch the reader's attention. I would be more than happy to work on these as I really like doing that, but most importantly I would like to know how you feel about that (we will not do it obviously if I am the only keen person on this :) )

-Wiki-links have already been mentioned, and #Lucky Lilac Lion is taking care of these, but just thought I'd add this here.

-I will also work on finding illustrations this weekend. Maybe 2 or 3 would work. Let me know how you feel about this please.

-I have proof read your response #Lucky Lilac Lion and here is what I did. Don't feel at all pressured or forced to take into consideration everything that I said. It is obviously only advice and I wanted to first highlight again the amazing work you did and thank you.

Line 1: which has a department (I feel that either you say something or you don’t but not parenthesizing)

Line 3: a dominant approach in today’s socio-cultural anthropology

Line 11: same here, I would just put “Saba Mahmood, a professor of anthropology” and take the parentheses away

Line 14: like modesty (I don’t know if parentheses count as words, but if so you could save 2 words)

Line 15: change maybe “perspective” with “point of view” because it goes “perspective” and then “perceived” which seem kind of repetitive, although it adds 2 more words…

Line 17: same for the parentheses, maybe replace them with “-“

Line 19: same for the parentheses

Line 20: I don’t know at all, but I was wondering if the verb tense was not maybe “wore”. I know that you want to say that they still wear these today but I am wondering if there isn’t a problem in the sentence with all the different verb tenses

Line 20: same for the parentheses=replace maybe by “which is an important virtue of Islam”

Line 21: I believe that it should be a full stop at the end of the sentence and not a semi-column (probably a typo mistake)

Also, I don't mean this all at pejoratively but while reading your response, I got a bit overwhelmed with all the names you quoted (anthropologist Franz Boas, Chandra Mohanty, Saba Mahmood, anthropologist Lila Abu-Lughod, Hanna Papanek). The point of this exercise is to use high-quality and diverse sources to back up our points, but at some points I got the sense of being a bit lost with all these names. Could someone else please tell me if that was also the case or not? I may be that we are Friday evening, and that I just need to clear my head-in that case everything is perfect and you should definitely disregard this comment.

-For the Dystopian Literature response, we are finalising it with #WoodzyMoodzy, so it would be ready by the end of this week-end. I hope you will like it and find it insightful

-We still have the opening at the end of the conclusion which needs to be filled. If anyone feels inspired, please feel free to write something :)

I am truly so sorry to bother you with this never-ending contribution. On this note, I wish you a happy and nice week-end :)))

--Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 17:18, 4 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for the suggestions for social anthropology! I used some of them to reduce the words in the text.


 * Line 1: Done (I removed 'department' to reduce words)


 * Line 3: Done (I removed 'today' to reduce words)


 * Line 11, 14, 17, 19, 20: In these I used parentheses as a way of reducing the word count since they do not count as words, however sometimes (like in Microsoft Word), signs such as "-" would be counted as a word if they are surrounded by space (e.g. "socio-cultural" would count as 1 word whereas "anthropology - cultural relativism" would count as 4 words)


 * Line 15: Done (changed it to "from a liberal feminist perspective, these women would be viewed as"


 * Line 20: Done (I replaced "was freed" in the sentence, to make "even after the liberation of the country, women still wear burqas", which I think sounds better)


 * Line 21: I used a semicolon here to save words on using conjunctions such as 'and', because semicolons join independent clauses without using a conjunction.


 * Names: I understand that the names could get a little overwhelming. I used them to show a progression of views throughout the history of the discipline: Franz Boas proposes cultural relativism -> the rise of feminism impacts anthropology -> Chandra Mohanty uses the cultural relativism to critique feminist ideas -> Saba Mahmood further critiques feminist ideas through the lens of cultural relativism in anthropology and gives an example -> Abu-Lughod also argues in terms of cultural relativism that Muslim clothing should not be judged by Western feminist views -> therefore, as a result of this historical evolution of the discipline, anthropologists may argue that what (from a wester viewpoint) looks like constraining modest clothing, it actually still allows people to express their individual freedom


 * I will try to further shorten the text, while keeping in mind what you said about the many names used. We also need to try shorten all the other sections - Introduction, Literary studies, Conclusion.


 * --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 13:09, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * For the literary studies text, I understand it can be a little confusing with what exactly is the discipline. This is how I see it and I think this could make it clear for everyone: English literature is the discipline, literary studies is its subdiscipline which studies the genre of dystopia. --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 13:14, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Personally, I think we should keep the example of The Handmaid's Tale, because it is a very studied dystopian text (in universities and schools). We can either keep it in the introduction or the literary studies responses part. --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 13:32, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * More intriguing subtitles could be interesting to see. If you come up with some ideas, try them and we can tell you if we like them. Also, illustrations will be a good idea too and luckily their captions won't count in the word limit. --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 13:32, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for going through my responses. Your paragraphs look amazing and don't worry for the names. I was probably not into the subject and reading as much as I should've have which may explain my certain confusion.


 * Anyways, I have reviewed the whole text and we currently have 972 words (without counting the Literary studies's response). The impression I get when looking at our work is that the introduction and the conclusion may be a bit too long (and would therefore need shortening up). But we can still sort that out!!


 * The literary studies is very good!! Just changed it in the response and introduction, se we are coherent!! Thank you so much though for thinking of it


 * To be honest, the more I look at the Literary Studies's response, the more I think we should focus our case study on The Handmaid's Tale. Let me know your feelings after reading it, but I might go over it tomorrow or at the beginning of next week.


 * --Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 19:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Text length
Generally, modest clothing refers to a style of loose-fitting dressing that aims to avoid attracting attention by covering parts of the body such as the head, shoulders, arms and legs. This style is most commonly adopted by women of the Islamic, Judaic and Christian faiths. Although no religion or culture have the same interpretation, modest clothing is considered as a traditional representation of the antiquated patriarchal view that men hold the right to “appropriately” limit women’s behaviour, and by extension, limit what they wear. This investigation will thus solely focus on modest clothing for women and how it is perceived in the disciplines of English Literature and Social Anthropology. Totalitarian regimes are a major trope in dystopian literature, in which universal dress-codes are imposed to eventually forge a loss of individuality and identity. In such a society, individuals are oppressed and forced to conform to the status quo dressing regulations because of government control. The Handmaid’s Tale is a compelling example in which costumes are modest, covering women’s heads and bodies from neck to ankles. Hence, examining dress from a dystopian literary perspective allows us to see how the governing body in this genre constrains individuality by eliminating the freedom of choosing one’s own clothing. Meanwhile, the customary association of patriarchy with modest clothing distinctly comes at odds with the core of feminist ideologies- the advocacy of equality of the sexes. When considering feminism through the lens of anthropology, one studies the values and customs of different cultures to determine their respective constitutions of gender. Consequently, the work of feminist anthropologists diverges from other extensions of feminist theory by dismissing the prevalent view that all women are oppressed, partly through "imposed" modest womenswear. 283

A subdiscipline of English literature is literary studies, which involves the study of written work including narrative fiction, and thus genres such as dystopia, studied in modules at different universities. Being the dus-topos (δυσ-τόπος), etymologically meaning the bad place in Ancient Greek, dystopia is mainly concerned with the portrayal of imaginary suffering societies as a means to criticise the dangers of a censored and controlled society. This genre emerged at the beginning of the twentieth century, a period marked by socio-political instability, totalitarian regimes and two world wars. It is interesting to note that dystopian works are more likely to be written during times of hegemony, than in chaotic ones. As the “Roman provincialism” behaviour and stability dominate, it seems like there is no need to consider any political alternative, leaving space for the emergence of totalitarian regimes. Dystopian authors hence write their novels in order to warn us about the danger of this passive attitude of giving a governing body too much unilateral power. Totalitarian control in dystopian novels may be depicted in various ways, including censorship or the suppression of liberties-an extremely compelling way being fashion. In reference to the dystopian novels Queen Krinaleen by J.L. Collins, the English Literature professor J. Galant states that "the dominance of fashion leads to a semiotization of people and a reduction of their status to that of signs." In Queen Krinaleen, fashion is used as a weapon by the queen of the Mezzes to ‘infect’ the fashion-obsessed tourists, specifically female tourists, who have come to her country to join the upper echelon of society. She gives them dresses which are seen as the new standard of fashion but, unbeknownst to them, permanently disfigures the wearer. Although it’s a generally unique case in dystopian fiction where the ‘fashion-obsessed’ people wanted to wear these clothes, it’s undeniable that this particular style of clothing was imposed onto them, due to the 'shiploads' of clothes continuously sent to the Amrikite women by the queen. Through this, author J.L. Collins illustrates the detrimental impact fashion can have on people when everyone is wearing the same clothes or when they share beliefs that lead them to have a uniform fashion. This demonstrates how, through dystopian literature, literary studies believe any implementation of uniform clothing to be harmful to societies whether the people in those societies want to wear those clothes or not. 395

Nowadays, anthropology is studied as a discipline in academic establishments, including UCL, LSE, the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge. At the beginning of the 20th century, the anthropologist Franz Boas proposed a dominant approach in socio-cultural anthropology - cultural relativism, suggesting that each culture should be treated equally. This was a critique of the previously ethnocentric evolutionist anthropology, which ranked the development of cultures in accordance with Western ideas. Furthermore, the rise of second-wave feminism led to the emergence of 1970s feminist anthropology, which sought to encourage the study of gender as an important area of scholarly inquiry, through strengthening women's position in the discipline, both as subjects of research and as the academics, in order to understand the different male and female world-views. However, with the idea of cultural relativism, Chandra Mohanty raised the point that Western feminism tended to portray non-Western women as universally oppressed objects of analysis, constrained by tradition (e.g. through imposed clothing) and perceived as passive victims. Similarly, Saba Mahmood (professor of anthropology) analysed women’s ethnographic realities in Cairo, Egypt, where women actively seek to cultivate traditional virtues that are associated with feminine passivity and submissiveness (e.g. modesty), even though they have historically given women a more subordinate status. She expresses that from a liberal feminist perspective, these women would be viewed as reproducing their own domination and oppression, because the subject of feminist theory is always underpinned by a goal of liberation whereby autonomy is largely understood in terms of being able to resist or subvert oppressive social norms. However, in reality they are operating with a different notion of autonomy altogether: rather than subverting the norms constraining them in search of emancipation (such as in the West, where self-expression is commonly enacted though clothing), women actively try to embody the very norms that constrain them as a mode of seeking emancipation, in the form of religious freedom. Although the burqa has often been seen as a sign of oppression of Muslim women (e.g. in Afghanistan, they were forced to wear it by the Taliban), anthropologist Lila Abu-Lughod explains that even after the liberation of the country, women still wear burqas, as it not only symbolises their modesty (important virtue of Islam), it also liberates them by enabling women to move within the public sphere whilst complying with the morally required segregation between men and women; she quotes Hanna Papanek describing the burqa as "portable seclusion.” Abu-Lughod, as with other feminist anthropologists, argues in agreement with cultural relativism – that women, and by extension the clothing they wear, should not be judged by Western standards, instead it should be examined through a culturally specific lens which sees women as “products of different histories, expressions of different circumstances, and manifestations of differently structured desires.” 458

Having two distinct backgrounds, dystopian writers and anthropologists perceive modest clothing differently, one as a way to assert power, while for the other it serves for the expression of identity. On one hand, dystopian literature has built its plot around submissive societies in which totalitarian regimes impose unilateral clothing rules. The reason for this lies in the discipline's history, which emerged as a way to highlight the dangers of dictatorial governing bodies, leading it to focus on such dark tropes. Hence, imposed modest clothing is simply perceived as a means of control over individuals, leaving no space for individuality. Whereas on the other hand, current feminist anthropology argues against the assumption that "imposed" veils on Muslim women make them oppressed by the segregated social norms, as this contrasts the idea of cultural relativism; it is their cultural choice to wear them. It is ethnocentric to state that Western feminist ideas of oppression are universal across all cultures and to ignore the fact that women have different desires structured by their own social, cultural, and historical context, therefore their experiences of oppression and social norms are also different. The historical and cultural specificity of individual freedom therefore (according to anthropology) means that generalisations about women’s constraints, with regards to modest clothing, cannot be made. A possible consideration to reconcile these two opposed stances would be to separate the clothing-a piece of material, from the idea of it being a political instrument. As Gianni Versace asserted, “Don’t make fashion own you, but you decide what you are, what you want to express by the way you dress”. 265

1401=total word count (without the titles)

I feel like we need to:

-shorten the introduction by 90 words at least

-shorten the social anthropology response by 60 words at least

-shorten the conclusion by 70 words at least

I have also added a sentence to the conclusion and added an illustration.

--Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 00:08, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * After our meeting yesterday (when we shortened the word count), I went through the chapter again and further shortened what I though was a good idea. Just now, I also shortened the added text about 'The Handmaid's Tale'. Our chapter is at 1215 words! It just needs a bit more shortening during our next meeting. --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 16:56, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I have reviewed the chapter and we have 1182 characters which is amazing!!! The conclusion and introduction are exactly the same length (228 words). The only thing that is slightly troubling me is that the literary studies' response is 336 words, while the social anthropology one is 385 words long. I was thinking that maybe we could delete the quote of the conclusion and add a sentence in the literary studies response then. Is anyone also keen on doing so?
 * --Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 19:18, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a good idea --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 21:20, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Research done for the introduction and the body paragraph "Fashion in Dystopian Literature"
'''Work done for Introduction and History of Dystopian Literature: Here is my research so far. I just need to differentiate clearly what will go in the introduction and the body paragraphs.'''

The establishment of the UCL Department of English Language and Literature, the first in England, by Thomas Dale in 1828 marked the beginning of English Literature as a discipline. This academic field later engendered other sub-disciplines, one of which is dystopia. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/english/department/history-of-the-english-department Being the dus-topos (δυσ-τόπος), etymologically meaning the bad place in Ancient Greek, dystopia is a literary genre, mainly concerned with the portrayal of imaginary suffering societies. https://www.etymonline.com/word/dystopia The origins of this word go back to a speech given by John Stuart Mill in 1868 to the House of Commons in which he asserted that the Utopians “ought rather to be called dys-topians, or caco-topians”. The expression was however only used fifty years later by authors, marking the beginning of dystopian literature as an “official” discipline towards the beginning of the twentieth century. A reason for this temporal emergence was the chaotic and unstable times, marked by totalitarian regimes and Two World wars. The first major dystopian work published was by Yevgeny Zamyatin in 1921 with his novel We. In it, he outlined many of today’s most famous dystopian tropes, including “troubled endings” or totalitarian regimes. Wars fueled dystopian themes, like apocalyptic settings, other wars, science and technology, but mostly totalitarian regimes and censorship, which may be depicted in Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury. It is not before the 1970’s that dystopian tropes were enlarged, marking an engagement with broader topics, like environmental issues, the rise of advertising or the ongoing economic recessions. A major trope of dystopian literature being totalitarian regimes, in which universal dress-codes are imposed, forges a loss of individuality, of identity. In this society, individuals are oppressed and forced to conform to the status quo dressing regulations because of government control. Hence, examining and approaching clothing from a dystopian perspective allows us to see how the governing body in this literary genre constrains one’s clothing choice, and thus individuality. A compelling example is in The Handmaid’s Tale in which costumes are modest, covering only the people’s heads and bodies from neck to ankles. https://electricliterature.com/the-rise-of-dystopian-fiction-from-soviet-dissidents-to-70s-paranoia-to-murakami/ https://www.kirkusreviews.com/news-and-features/articles/brief-history-dystopian-novel/

--Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 12:25, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I think the last few sentences, from "A major trope of dystopian literature being totalitarian regimes..." until the end would fit well into the introduction as a means of justifying why we are focusing on dystopian literature. I'll add it in as soon as I have finished writing the rest of it :) WoodzyMoodzy (discuss • contribs) 19:00, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, I completely agree with you. I did more of a brainstorming, but obviously not all this paragraph will be included in our final chapter. Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 23:48, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Social Anthropology
I added a few paragraphs under the sub-heading 'Social Anthropology'.


 * 1) Djungelskog1, could you please fix the referencing in accordance with the requirements, as discussed in our previous meeting?
 * 2) I wrote just over 460 words in this section. This is a little over the suggested limit we decided on during the meeting (400 words per discipline). If other sections also go beyond the word limit, we may need to try to reduce the words in this section.
 * 3) If anyone has any suggestions to improve this, please let me know.

--Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 14:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey, I have just read your contribution. I find it really good and we can still work through it (to reduce it or rearrange the ideas), but I feel that we definitely have a strong base here, so an immense thank you to you.
 * Without wanting to intrude on # Djungelskog1, I don't mind fixing the referencing later on today, if that is fine with everyone.


 * Also, I'll add a media file this week to illustrate your work, if that is ok with you. I don't know about you but I feel it is important to illustrate our work. :)


 * --Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 17:02, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, if you can fix the referencing that would be good. Also adding images is a great idea! I hope there are some good ones on the Wikimedia Commons, if not we may have to search for ones with the correct copyright status. --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 18:35, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Conclusion
I wrote a few sentences for our conclusion (focusing on anthropology). It is just an initial idea for now and we can improve it and add to it when the other sections of the Wikibook chapter are completed. --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 14:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Your conclusion is really good. I completely agree with you...we should keep it open for now and see if it needs to evolve later on depending on our body paragraph's content. I also added the conclusion for the dystopian literature part-it helps me to start with the conclusion to have an idea of where I must go. I have also started a sentence to possibly try to solve the tension we found or at least think about an opening at the end-feel free to add anything.
 * --Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 17:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I really like your contribution to the conclusion too! We will think about a concluding sentence to suggest a solution as you said. --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 18:40, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Dystopian Literature
I have pasted my work onto the wiki book chapter. It obviously needs shortening and rearranging but it was just to visualise what it looks like next to the other paragraphs. Also, based on #WoodzyMoodzy research, I put it together in sentences and tried to do a transition between the dystopian literature response and the anthropology response, for the work to run smoothly. Don't hesitate to modify it or change the ideas if you want.

--Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 17:14, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


 * @Mathildem16 This is a introduction for dystopian literature! I'll make sure to add more information and link it closer to dystopian literature's relation to fashion Djungelskog1 (discuss • contribs) 12:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Introduction
@Mathildem16 I hope you don't mind, but I re-included the sentence you previously had that gave The Handmaid's Tale as an example as I think it would help maintain focus on women's clothing rather than keeping it too general.

Besides that (anyone) please let me know if you think what I wrote doesn't correlate/flow smoothly into the main body paragraphs! :)

WoodzyMoodzy (discuss • contribs) 22:52, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Don't worry it's fine!! Don't apologise for that. I have just raised a few "concerns" (if I can call these so) in my post below about the consistency and usefulness of using this example.


 * Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 17:24, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Illustration
I have just added 3 illustrations for the social anthropology response. Let me know which one you prefer please, so I can delete the others. Also, I am struggling to find a relevant copyright-free illustration for the literary studies's response. If anyone does, please let me know or upload it!! :))

I have also reviewed my literary studies's response. I am not entirely satisfied with it to be honest (I feel there is kind of a discrepancy between what we say in the body paragraphs and the conclusion. Perhaps, the chosen study cases aren't exactly 100% relevant to our study question and answer to it. It would be nice to have your feedbacks on this please.

--Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 19:22, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I think for the beginning of the literary studies response, we could explain what dystopian literature is and focus more on how it uses different methods for totalitarian control. Then we could lead it onto how one method of control is through fashion and then that would flow better into the case studies. I think the Queen Krinaleen story has a better link to our topic than Walter Besant's story. We could keep the Queen Krinaleen story and take away Besant's story or, alternatively, scrap both of them and talk about The Handmaid's Tale? Or change Besant's story to a study into The Handmaid's Tale so that we have more than one example of our study question. Djungelskog1 (discuss • contribs) 18:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * It seems as though 2 illustrations are missing. It is absolutely not an issue, but I was wondering if anyone had removed them on purpose or accidentally (or if it is just a glitch of wikipedia).
 * --Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 23:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Problem sorted out...ignore my last comment and I apologise for bothering you :)))
 * --Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 23:54, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I have just changed the place of The Handmaid's Tale illustration from the introduction to the Literary studies response (where the example on this work will be shortly added). It visually appears next to the social anthropology response but does indeed belong to the literary studies response. --Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 19:06, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

The Handmaid's Tale
I saw that @Djungelskog1 had added some important text about 'The Handmaid's Tale' and comparing it to 'Queen Krinaleen'. To keep within the word limit, I edited it a bit to shorten the word count and be more precise with expressing our ideas. --Lucky Lilac Lion (discuss • contribs) 16:41, 10 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. I also clarified the piece on the "Roman provincialism" attitude. I hope this is clearer otherwise please let me know.--Mathildem16 (discuss • contribs) 19:20, 10 December 2020 (UTC)