Talk:Issues in Interdisciplinarity 2020-21/Evidence in Racial Inequality in the US Education System

Conclusion
I have added the conclusion so that you can edit it at your leisure. Some outstanding things which we need to address: - There are some parts of Iman's work that I have yet to weave into this conclusion, notably her mention of quantitive and qualitative data. - I apologise for the weakness of my writing on psychology, I haven't read any papers on how they would approach the problem of racial inequality, so wasn't quite sure how to argue from their perspective - If all of us could work to reference this conclusion that would be outstanding! Unadorablemensonge (discuss • contribs) 22:53, 11 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I like the way you summarized the conclusion. I just modified the part on the solutions proposed by psychologists. I indeed think it would be relevant to talk about the clash between qualitative and quantitative data, will think about it- and also do some research for the references. Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 00:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

I added two sentences about the tension between qualitative and quantitative data in (tried to make it very brief). I'm just struggling to write one final sentence that would sensibly bind it all together - if you guys have any ideas, feel free to add or restructure what I drafted Ketteringtownfc27 (discuss • contribs) 18:15, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Added an alternative to your sentences. Which one do you prefer? Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 16:28, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey! I have just read through the conclusion and tried to clarify certain statements and carry out few grammar checks. It's come so far from the base conclusion we started with it!

Order of articles
Hi all, as you may have notice I have switched the order of the articles (socio econ now appears first). I thought it made more sense as some of the evidence from socio-economics helps understand aspects of the sociology article such as disparate social and cultural capital. What do you think?
 * Hi, yes I think it's more logical that way, thank you for the initiative! Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 17:09, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, yes, I also agree, thanks!! Ketteringtownfc27 (discuss • contribs) 16:15, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Hey! Yeh I fully agree with this. Much more logical :)

Making our page more interactive
Hi guys, I thought that we could add some external links that redirect to other wiki pages to help readers with difficult concepts, do you think some specific words would need that? Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 21:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I also saw that someone added a pic- which is a great idea, thanks! Do you think we should add more? I have no ideas now, but I'll think about it. Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 21:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, I'm working on hyperlinking certain words right now. I will also think about other images!

Added section on sociology
Hi! I hope you are well, I've added my section on evidence in sociology, I have yet to add some of my references but thought this way you could already have a look at it for our call later today. I'm a little unsure whether the focus on evidence is strong enough here, I would be delighted to have your feedback, also, do let me know if certain things seem unclear to you! Unadorablemensonge (discuss • contribs) 10:42, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw the section! I think you have some strong points but I noticed that you approached Sociology from three different points of view. I think it would be best for you to choose one of those (cause of the limited word count) and focus on the evidence and argument in that. I personally liked the approach that coloured students were placed in lower ability classes and using more evidence to back that up. It shows how social structures are formed which is a big part of Sociology. 14:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi! I think your approach is very interesting and I like the fact that it covers different point of views... we'll discuss that tomorrow. I just wondered what "standardized testing" means?  Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 17:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi! I for one find it really interesting that you approached it from different points of view - it kind of made me think of the problem from a broader perspective. Still, I think it's concise and specific enough. (Ketteringtownfc27 (discuss • contribs) 17:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC))


 * Hey guys! Carlotta, I see you've added your second version of the text, which is wonderful. I was just wondering which version I like better - the original seems to have a more expert take on the subject (the way you structured the section), the second version is maybe a bit easier to follow, though.

If we are to follow the Wiki-etiquette, I would assume the second draft would fit better, but personally, I think I'm leaning towards the first draft more. (Ketteringtownfc27 (discuss • contribs) 23:29, 9 December 2020 (UTC))

Carlotta, I love the second draft personally. I think it's very structured and easy to understand. I like how you start with discussing inherent inequality in SAT testing and then going on to how this creates segregation in education and gives a very focused and streamlined sociological point of view. Good Job!

Added section on Economics
Hey! I have added my section on Economics and focusing on Socioeconomics. Let me know what you think and check the Whatsapp group chat so we can set a time for our next call! 14:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Your research looks great! Just noticed it lacks sources, but I guess you'll do that later:) Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 17:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Added section on Psychology
I added some of my research on Psychology, but I need to work on the sources and there is another part on the role of racial bias and identity I'd like to add, but need to work on. Anyway you can see the point I'm trying to prove in the small beginning of conclusion I'll add. Don't hesitate to say if anything bothers you and needs change! Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 17:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I worked a bit on the psychology section, but I think we need to think about how to fuse our research results better, maybe reorganise the section in new subtitles? Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 14:09, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey! Yeh some fusion would be great. I quite like the first section in implicit racism and I think that is a really strong way to introduce Psychology's impact on racial inequality in education. I then think talking about the impact of such racism on the education inequality (the next section) is great. My advice would be that the third part on 'Teachers' isn't really necessary. I definitely think the beginning of that section can be fused in when talking about implicit racism and how that is a result of implicit racism followed by the impact on students. The end of the third section about how there is a lack of evidence can be omitted completely. You already have evidence from the IAT testing which proves implicit racism. 14:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advide! Do you think that it could work the other way round (to start with the bias in teachers behaviour shortly- I quite like that as it resonnates with the sociology part- and then exlpain it with implicit bias)? And yes, I see what you mean about evidence for implicit racism; the problem is that IATs' accuracy has been widely contested... maybe that could be useful when discussing the tension between disciplines? Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 23:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi! As you guys saw I added my part to the psychology section, I just need to complete the citations. I thought Olivia's point on the teachers' attitude was a nice way to tie it all together, but perhaps we could focus on yet another example of evidence. (Ketteringtownfc27 (discuss • contribs) 17:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC))

Hi! I did my best to fuse both our research on psychology in the shortest way possible (thanks Oliwia for starting the shortening process:). I still need to think about the order of the parts (right now it's teachers, implicit bias, students). I've uploaded it on Google Docks so you can read it and I don't have to overload the wiki chapter. Hope ou guys can read it and have some feedback! Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 21:18, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Page setup
Do we need to keep the link at the top of the page? The one that guides you back to the general page of issues in interdisciplinarity?Unadorablemensonge (discuss • contribs) 10:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes absolutely. They said it was the proof that the chapter is correctly linked to the main thing. Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 17:37, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Great! Thank you for letting me know!Unadorablemensonge (discuss • contribs) 09:52, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Activity log
Zoom meeting 20/11/20 - I introduced the idea of looking at false accusations of rape/sexual harassment and exploring the conflict between disciplines of biology and psychology. Originally, the group was going in the direction of literature but after discussion we found more possibility in looking at a specific case of false rape accusation. Olivia suggested we look into the case of a Polish man who served 25 years for rape and murder of a 15 year old and I suggested the Central Park 5 case. We decided to follow the Central Park 5 case as it had more mainstream coverage and we would be able to find better facts and evidence to support our arguments. Someone also suggested we look at Racial Studies and Media Studies as potential disciplines which could have impacted the case since all the boys were young, black men and the media uses techniques to sway the public opinion. We decided that we would all carry out research into the different disciplines and the case so that we each have an understanding of the linkages and conflicts between disciplines rather than focusing and specialising so early into the assignment. We have created a Google Docs to collaborate on our research and will consolidate and discuss our findings at our meeting next Thursday Driedmangoes (discuss • contribs) 14:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Zoom meeting 27/11/20- We decided that the Central Park case was not a very good idea, so we brainstormed and changed the subject to "Evidence on racial bias in the 20th century USA". We want to discuss how despite concrete biological evidence institutional racism was still implemented. We'd like to look for evidence in different disciplines such as psychology, biology, law, sociology (institutional structure). We had some trouble with history though, as we are having a historical approach but cannot really include history as a discipline in which evidence is found. We are going to brainstorm individually and each make a plan that we'll share with each other on Monday. Empereurthepug (discuss • contribs) 12:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Zoom meeting 1/12/20 - Each of us brought up different ideas of how to structure the page and what exactly we thought should be the focus of the page. After discussing it for a while we agreed we shouldn't look only at racial bias (which is quite specific to psychology) but rather at inequality in general. We also agreed to look at a specific area of racial inequality: education. This would narrow down the field of research and enable us to have a more comprehensive and thoughtful wikibooks chapter. Moving away from the vastness of racial inequality in general would indeed enable us to uncover some specific and insightful information. Still, we had doubts about where there would be points of tension, and were not entirely convinced we were going in the right direction. We wrote to our seminar leader, Hélène who was ever so kind to arrange a meeting with us the very next day! Unadorablemensonge (discuss • contribs) 10:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Zoom meeting 2/12/20 - Hélène was super helpful in aswering the questions we had and guiding us. We felt encouraged and agreed each of us would do research and attempt to define which disciplines seemed most relevant to our issue. Unadorablemensonge (discuss • contribs) 10:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Zoom meeting 4/12/20 - Today, each of us chose which discipline we would focus on. Oliwia and Olivia are working on evidence in psychology, Iman is looking more at Urban Geography or Economics while I will be researching evidence in Sociology. We agreed to publish draft articles by Monday which we would then discuss together. Unadorablemensonge (discuss • contribs)

Zoom meeting 09/12/20 Today, we had a quick catch up to see where we were all at in terms of our individual disciplines. We all uploaded our discipline/evidence research onto our wikipage and decided that we were going to each comb through each other's work, for grammar, spelling, etc and see where words cut down. In addition, we are each going to read everyones work and identify points of tension and bring these to the next meeting where we will write the tensions and conclusion section together. In addition, Carlotta is going to work on narrowing down her Sociology section to focus on a particular Sociological approach rather than trying to mention many. Hopefully, this will allow a more in-depth discussion of Sociology's approach and provide a better base point for analysis of tensions.

Zoom meeting 10/12/20 Today's meeting we brought up any doubts that we had after reading each other's work. Our objectives for the next meeting are as follows: Olivia and Olivia need to condense and restructure their paragraph on Psychology. Carlotta is going to edit the base conclusion/tension I wrote. Olivia and Olivia are going to do the same. I need to do my citations and am going to read through everything to find where we can cut down the words.

Zoom meeting 12/12/20 Today we had a quick meeting to review the document and focus on the technicalities - referencing, grammar, spelling and structure. We're going to have a final proof-reading tomorrow. We are also going to think about the conclusion and how to discuss the tension between qualitative and quantitative evidence. In the meantime, each of us will try to scan the document and catch any hypothetical errors.

Zoom meeting 13/12/20 Today's our final meeting to confirm nothing is missing from the chapter. We were looking for any technical errors, double-checking grammar and spelling, making sure that references were correct and consistent. We also needed to cut down our word count and clarify phrasing.