Talk:History of Elven Writing Systems/Second Age

major criticism
As I see it: J. 'mach' wust 23:24, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) The discussion of the Quenya mode does not belong here, since we don't know anything about explicitly second age Quenya writing.
 * 2) The mode of Beleriand belongs here, since the mode of Beleriand we know dates from the Second Age only in spite of its name.
 * 3) A discussion of the Númenorean mode fragments of DTS 50 belongs here along with the question whether it may be the origin of the attested 'general use'.
 * 4) In a related issue, a discussion of Sauron's tengwar use belongs here.


 * The NCP mentions a Numenorean Quenya mode where the use of unutixi is demonstrated, when the a-tehta is not used. In order to discuss this mode here, I thought nice to present it in a theoretical table of the intermediate values. Appendix E for example says that Aze became Are and then Esse, but doesn't say about the (brief) period when the letter was Are, before becoming Esse. We also should show the period when Noldo was not ng- or n-, but ñ-. It's also a good place to show that ndy > ny and that maybe these changes were the cause that Tyelpetema began to be not useful. Do you think it should go to the First Age?
 * I disagree. Since the Mode of Beleriand originates from the First Age, I think it proper to go there, despite the fact it might wrongly describe Second Age elements. Since we don't have First Age samples, the gap must be filled with the 'Moria mode'
 * I agree. As for the Numenorean mode, I think you are more qualified, so you can proceed if it's not much trouble.


 * We can't just fill in the gap of the Second Age with all the stuff we don't know where to put. We don't know when these developments took place. And with respect to the a-tehta being left away, this was not only done by the Númenoreans.
 * We don't know anything at all about First Age mode of Beleriand. We'd lie if we'd pretend we did. J. 'mach' wust 18:27, 1 May 2005 (UTC)