Talk:German/Level I/Essen

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I've deleted the conversation under 'Ordering at a Restaurant" because it focuses on certain topics (wine, for example), gives an example before introducing the topic, and looks too much like German: Level II. I hope you don't mind.

I've also deleted the 'nationalities' section: Unless it relates to restaurants, it belongs in Lesson 5. - SamE 22:40, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Guido, could you construct a list of different types of food in Germany under "Ordering at a Restaurant in Germany"? It would be a big help. - SamE 22:46, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Hey SamE, That's ok with me. I'm sorry, but what do you mean, a "different types of food"? Like Meat, Salads, Fish and so on?
 * Regards
 * --- Guido 06:44, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * I mean different types of restaurants, such as seafood or steak or hamburgers, and whatever else is common and/or popular in Germany. If McDonald's is popular, then that would go in the list, too.


 * As for the nationalities, we would need a direct way to say "We eat at the Japanese restaurant." and "He likes Mexican food." If we would need to teach the nationalities to do this, we could reinstate that section (but not as a major section, as a subsection or subsubsection). But I think that belongs in lesson 5. - SamE 14:12, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

''Just like in last lesson, where you could say, "Ich spiele Fußball gern.", you can also extend it to food. "I like to eat cheeseburgers." is translated as "Ich esse Cheeseburger gern."''

Nobody in German says "Ich (verb) (noun) gern". It must be "Ich (verb) gerne (noun)"! Example: Ich esse gerne Cheeseburger


 * Wow, that's not at all what I've been taught. Could you clarify this with one of the native German speakers on this site (with a username). I'm sorry, but I don't want to make that change only based on what an anon says. - SamE 03:39, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * He / she is right. It is not wrong, but uncommon. You could answer Ich spiele Fußball gerne, e.g. if someone asks Wie gerne spielst du Fußball (How much do you like playing soccer?; you can use gern as well as gerne) - but that are niceties. --Thomas G. Graf [I see, Sma already said it: depends on the situation] 19:20, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well you cannot tell it definetly, because you can say "Ich mag (das Fach) Deutsch gern(e). But you also can say "Ich mag gerne Kartoffeln." so both structures can be used, but it depends on the situation where it is used. Sma 14:26, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'd like to leave würden out of this lesson, as it is a very advanced verb form (imperfect subjunctive) that really shouldn't be introduced until year 3. I hope you don't mind. - SamE 23:19, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * no problem, I have already guessed why you put it out again, but actually it is the most polite form to ask for the bill, but you´re with the fact, it should be talked about later on Sma 16:02, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Looks pretty cool, what you're doing here. But I spotted a mistake. Actually "dankeschön" doesn't mean "thanks, pretty". The "schön" is probably more of an adverb than an adjective. I think "dankeschön" is shortened für "Ich danke schön" which literally translates to "I thank prettily". It is definitely no compliment. --- Conny from Germany

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I spotted a mistake too. At the section 'Main Dishes' You can't say "das Hot Dog" Correct: "der Hot Dog" -- Stephan from Germany


 * I would say "das HotDog". - iBlue from Germany.

And BTW the dialogs are not understandable for me. - iBlue

Sorry, this Dialogue is *complete* BS
Frans: Hallo, Greta! Wie geht's? Greta: Sehr gut. Ich habe Hunger. Frans: Ich auch. Möchtest du etwas essen? Greta: Ja! In der Gaststätte Greta: Ich möchte Salat, Brot, und Wasser. Frans: Hast du jetzt keinen Hunger? Greta: Nein, ich habe viel Hunger. Was bekommst du? Frans: Ich bekomme Apfelstudel, ein Stück Kuchen, und einen Eisbecher. Greta: Das ist schrecklich. Du sollst eine Bratwurst haben. Frans: Nein, ich bin zufrieden. Ich habe nicht so viel Hunger.
 * Frans is no German name, it's Franz. BTW Greta and Franz are quite senior names now... don't expect to meet anyone under 50 with these names...
 * "I'm fine. I'm hungry." ...sense?!
 * no articles, no sense
 * of course she's hungry, otherwise she wouldn't order would she?
 * Nein has to be "Doch"
 * Apfelst_r_udel actually _is_ a cake (Kuchen). And who takes a cup of ice cream _with_ two pieces of cake?
 * "That is awful. You shall posess a sausage."... wtf?! and why?!
 * "No, I'm fine. I'm not so hungry" - well - I guess a sausage shouldn't be that much more than two pieces of cake with a cup of ice cream?!

please, PLEASE let these dialogues be at least a) a bit senseful b) (reality-)checked by native speaking Germans. Really. Don't want to offend anyone who has invested his time and effort, but you cannot expect to learn German with this...

Endymi0n 05:05, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Alright, I feel that I have to reply to this. First of all, you can't expect a first year german student to be able understand an actual german conversation by lesson three. What the writers were trying to do is create a somewhat realistic situation based on the vocabulary they already know, which is quite limited. A few corrections I feel that you should be aware of: first off, articles aren't always required. Think about how you would sound if you used an article for every single noun you used in english. Secondly, the phrase "Du sollst eine Bratwurst haben" means, in english, "You should have a bratwurst", not "You shall possess a sausage." Most of these sentences do, in fact, make sense. So perhaps you should stop ranting about corrections that should be made to tailor to your personal preference. Just because you don't have ice cream with your cake doesn't mean that an imaginary person can't say that for the purposes of an educational conversation. MasterSheep 01:04, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The dialogue seems really odd to me.
 * Franz 	Hallo, Greta! Wie geht's?
 * Endymi0n already said something about the choice of names.
 * Greta 	Sehr gut. Ich bin hungrig.
 * This is a contradiction. There should be something in between to resolve it, e.g. “Sehr gut, aber im Moment habe ich Hunger.”
 * Franz 	Ich auch. Möchtest du etwas essen?
 * Greta 	Ja!
 * 	In der Gaststätte
 * Greta 	Ich möchte Salat, Brot und Wasser.
 * This is not a typical German dish that can be ordered from the menu. And why would anyone go to a restaurant for it? I would buy these things in a supermarket.
 * Franz 	Hast du jetzt keinen Hunger?
 * should be “Hast du jetzt keinen Hunger mehr?” (+“anymore”)
 * Greta 	Doch, ich habe großen Hunger. Was bekommst du?
 * Franz 	Ich bekomme ein Stück Apfelstrudel und einen Eisbecher.
 * That's only a dessert. Again, very strange…
 * Greta 	Warum das? Du sollst eine Bratwurst nehmen.
 * That's typical fast food. But a fast food retaurant is not called ‘Gaststätte’ but ‘Imbissbude’.
 * [Rest seems okay…]
 * -- Sloyment (discuss • contribs) 19:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Sloyment: I think you can just go ahead and change this wikibooks without discussing your changes (in particular if there is no audio recording) since no one is actively working on this wikibook. --Martin Kraus (discuss • contribs) 20:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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