Talk:German

General Overhaul
Hello, I am wondering if there are any active users who are interested in moving the German Wikibook to align to common European Framework in tiering the lessons. As German is almost exclusively a European language, I think designing a German textbook to fit a certifiable and real world standard is crucial. Also because Goethe Institute certification is setup to align to this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages). Herr Cambron (discuss • contribs) 23:11, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I started a general overhaul. By default I will not discuss anything but just do it (since apparently there are no active co-authors anyway). If you think I should discuss anything, just let me know. --Martin Kraus (talk) 10:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Changed the front Page
I changed it to, what I believe, to be a more appropriate flags of German Nation (just the main ones) and some common German sights. Even though the singers from before might be nice for whoever knows about them, but I don't know who they are, and I honestly believe that there is a lot more interest in German in terms of culture and travel opportunities. Hope nobody objects to the change.
 * I Archived much of the discussion. The talk page was getting long, and much of it obsolete.
 * broke link in Template:German/Contents from German/Contents, to German, officially making the contents page obsolete, consider deletion.--Danthemango (discuss • contribs) 13:13, 19 January 2011 (UTC)


 * This so-called "obsolete page" German/Contents still retains interwiki links, like one from Språkkurser/Tyska/Innehåll, and one from v:Topic:Learning German; how many more, I don't know. I do not think that this has been handled optimally. JoergenB (discuss • contribs) 20:59, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Growing beyond the book format
My name is Ian and I'm from a project called Wikiotics, where we build free software tools for language instruction. We are starting to build collections of interactive language lessons that can serve as textbook replacements for students and this wikibook seems like a great place to start.

If there is anyone here who is interested in expanding this content beyond a traditional text-based book format or who would like to incorporate interactive lessons we build based on the outline of this book, just chime in here or contact us at contact AT wikiotics DOT org or in irc at #wikiotics on freenode.

As example of the kind of new materials you can make with our tools, here are examples our current lesson types:
 * Picture choice lesson (http://wikiotics.org/en/Introduction),
 * Re-mixable Podcast (http://wikiotics.org/user/ian/FSI-Mandarin-Module01-Unit01),
 * Text multiple choice lesson (http://wikiotics.org/en/WANY_Hospital_grammar)
 * new Storybook lesson [coming soon](http://laurent.dev.wikiotics.net/en/storybook1).

Wikiotics (discuss • contribs) 15:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If people are interested, one place to start might be our FSI conversion efforts. The US State Department's Foreign Service Institute made a series of public domain language courses back in the 70's to train consular workers going over seas. Those old audio tapes have been digitized and put online and we've begun cutting them into individual sentences so that they can be modernized and expanded without having to re-record whole episodes. You can see an example of where we have done this with the introductory Mandarin course here: http://wikiotics.org/group/fsi-import/Mandarin_lessons . Now we have a community member going through the PDF documents for the German course and breaking the dialogues and other written components into xml here: http://fsi-german-basic-course.yojik.eu/


 * If anyone is interested in building on that material, I would be happy to help with cutting up and uploading the German audio lessons into wikiotics. Usage has changed a bit since the 70's but the curricular design is still pretty standard and there is a lot of material there to work with. Wikiotics (discuss • contribs) 21:00, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I cannot create an account on Wikiotics.org. Genoskill  (discuss • contribs) 20:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hilfen beim Deutschlernen
Ich hoffe, die Autoren dieses Buches verstehen genug Deutsch, um das hier zu lesen. Man sollte den Schülern erklären, das die "Sie"-Form nicht nur die höfliche Form ist, sondern auch eine einfache Form ist, da das Verb meist in der Grundform gebraucht wird, so wie man es im Lexikon liest.
 * Tipp 1
 * Beispiel
 * Ich gebe, du gibst, er gibt, wir geben...
 * Sie geben

Bei der Anrede "Sie" hat man keine Probleme mit der Deklination (Veränderung der Vokale bei Verben). Man verwendet einfach die Form des Infinitiv (Grundform).

Bilde die Zukunft und die Vergangenheit mit "sein" und "haben". Dann muss man sich weniger Formen einprägen. Der Deutsche nimmt es mit den Zeiten nicht so genau wie der Engländer.
 * Tipp 2


 * Beispiel
 * kommen: ich komme, ich kam, ich gebe, ich gab, du gibst...
 * ich bin gekommen, er ist gekommen, er war gekommen, du bist gekommen, du wirst kommen, er wird kommen
 * ich habe gegeben, er hat gegeben, du hast es gegeben, du wirst geben, er wird geben

Wenn man die verschiedenen Zeitformen mit den Hilfswerben "sein" und "haben" bildet, braucht man nur diese Formen durch alle Zeiten zu lernen. Für das Hauptverb gibt es dann viel weniger Formen, die durch alle Personen gleich bleiben. Das ist in vielen Sprechsituationen einfacher. Dieses funktioniert auch mit vielen anderen Hilfsverben, wie beispielsweise "können", "möchten", "dürfen", "müssen" etc. Es gibt eine typische Lautverschiebung.
 * Tipp 3
 * deutsch "t" = englisch "d" er hatte = he had
 * deutsch "b" = englisch "v" ich habe = I have

Es gibt zwar wenige Ausnahmen, aber vieles versteht man ohne Probleme, wenn man einfach die oben genannten Buchstaben austauscht.

Ich verstehe zwar recht gut Englisch, und kann es auch ziemlich fließend sprechen, aber leider ist es nicht fehlerfrei, so dass ich mich nicht traue, die Kapitel selbst zu verfassen. Gruß --Mjchael (discuss • contribs) 15:16, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Upscaling
Hallo.

I am currently trying to scale up the book, as much as possible within my scope. However, request anyone to assist me, if possible, and if wish to work on this project with me. I have updated a full new section of Strong Verbs, and am doing much more to the complete project. Once done, I will start with my native language project, Gujarati, and also a bit in Hindi. Danke. Vishal Bakhai - Works 12:35, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Just to give an Update. I have revamped a few chapters till date, Quite frankly to say 2 as of yet. Though they still require a few amendments here and there, but they are Ok. Level II Chapter 12 is complete. Level I Chapter 7 is ok. I am working on Chapter 13 Level II currently. Danke Schôn. Vishal Bakhai - Works[[Image:Flag_of_India.svg|15px]] 18:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)