Talk:Fighting

I've heard that in france gangs use dogs in attacking. Would somebody add a little? 80.221.213.232 16:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

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Should it be noted that this is mainly for street fighting, not for tournament based fighting matches (boxing, martial arts, etc)

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Obviously the writer/editor is devoted to one style of fighting - his - only. Some of the advice given is truly dangerous if applied in the real world.

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I'm noticing so rather counter-intitutive statements here. I'm fairly sure, for example, that handguns are more restricted than rifles or shotguns in most areas, as well as that combat metal knuckles usually features aiming for harder parts of the body to break bones rather than softer areas like the belly. - I personally do not think that all the advice given here is impractical and cannot be used in the real world. I do think today's martial art schools should groom their students in such a manner that it would train the students very well for real world scenarios with special emphasis on breaking techniques and vital striking points of the body.They should also teach most practical effective techniques for defense against guns, knives, clubs etc. Instead of focusing so much upon katas and stances schools should teach the students to fight in any situation in any stance utilizing natural weapons which are most effective. Even seconds will count in a life and death situation and the students must be mentally prepared for encouters and escapes. I wish to add that in a real street fight when up against a gang always try to run for safety. If that is not possible then try to muster all the courage and confidence you can and try to hit your opponents with multiple powerful strikes at one go. For eg. kick in the front and slash at the back at the same time. Learn counters to all kinds of grabs and how to quickly overpower your opponents. Apply throws if neccessary, and run away fast as soon as any opportunity comes your way. In case of gang attacks it is very important to move around in lightning speed around your opponents so that you are never sorrounded. Also in such situations you may only have opportunity to strike only once or twice. So strike with maximum speed and power at vital points.

This article shouldn't make any mention of any martial arts. Why? All martial arts began as effective self defence systems, from boxing, wrestling through savate, karate, jujitsu, to kung fu. The problems with a particular systems is that they have lost their focus on self defence and begun concentrating on competition techniques which are completely inappropriate for self defence on the street or to inner personal development which again doesn't train you to handle an aggressive attacker. All of the systems began effectively and all contain useful and effective techniques. The problem is the training, not the martial arts system.

Kata for instance are the very core of what karate is about, the kata contain some extremely vicious and effective techniques, including chokes, joint locks, throws. Stances are also very important, they teach balance, movement, body positioning but all of this information, *all of it*, is useless unless it is applied in training to self defense situations against resisting opponents. This is down to the individual instructors, not the martial art itself.

Therefore rather than badmouthing particular styles for whatever is flavour of the month, this article or book should concentrate on overall strategy. How do street fights start, what are the common stages, what to expect.

Just practicing a martial art (any of them) doesn't mean you know how to fight effectively on the street, preferably the experience of people who regularly deal with conflict would be useful. Door people, police, personal security etc. --87.112.0.171 13:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

It appears to me that this article needs to be split. At the moment, it covers a rather broad area, from fists to firearms. A seperate firearms guide might not be amiss, and most mention of specific martial arts should be removed. Leave the schools of those arts to teach them; people who 'learn' karate from a wiki are only going to get themselves hurt. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.223.19.21 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 31 Dec 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. There are currently, however, no active editors. (See the module history) If you would be willing to give a hack at it, I would be willing to help out. I think the article needs to be split up into submodule pages. If individual submodules get large enough, they could be forked off as distinct modules. When you can, consider working on an outline at Fighting/Revamp. I'll help out when I can. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at my talk page. Cheers, User:Iamunknown 09:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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I can accept generalizing slightly for the sake of the article but simply stating that all "Large Bladed Weapons" should be just swung and not used to block or parry is ridiculous. This article seems to claim that all large blades function exactly like machetes. Also, since when can you find a bladed weapon that is near 1' in length and weighs 3lbs.!? That's just stupid, there are plenty of 3' weapons that weigh well under that.

This article is just crap in general. By generalizing everything and trying to fit it all in one guide called "Fighting" nothing good is produced. There should be separate guides for separate modes of combat.

Army Manuals
Several army and marine corps manuals are freely available online. This article should link to them, or at least incorporate parts of it, particularly the combatives, and a

I agree, this article/book is crap. I don't see it as needing a description of how to fight, perhaps just a description of what fighting is would do. How to fight, should be in a series of separate pages, possibly split into disciplines. This topic is a particully hairy one, as everyone likes to think they know how the right way to fight, and that their methods are most effective.

I quickly skimmed over and noticed the following factual errors:

The strongest choke hold from this position consists of your arm wrapped around your opponent's throat with the opponent's Adam's apple in the inside of your elbow, - That would be a strangle, not a choke. Chokes limit breathing, strangles limit blood flow. Having the adams apple inside of your elbow would remove your ability to apply pressure.

''A small bladed weapon, such as a knife, should be used primarily to stab. Most knives should be held with your thumb in line with the blade and your dominant hand forward. You should never swipe or slash with a small weapon because it is slower and cannot penetrate the layers of skin and muscle as easily'' - A small knife, (lets say 3" which is possibly one of the most common sizes), is quite an effective slashing tool - See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PWmRWjDhYw. Remember one can't use a limb without intact tendons and nerves.