Talk:Ecology

Do you think that this book should remain broad and conceptual, or that it should have say, stream ecology, ecology in the context of urban sprawl etcetera? Specifics like that are more conservation biology than ecology. But maybe there could be the odd box example of conservation biology and the ecology of specific biomes in specific places? I think I might have seen ecology text books have some of those examples in them without any comprehensive discussion of those topics, in boxes separated from the rest of the text. So anyway, what do you think? I'm starting to think that stuff like SLOSS or fragmentation would need its' own "Conservation Biology" wikibook, but do you think that this conservation stuff should be mentioned here? Thanks Lotusduck 15:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)lotusduck


 * You are right to raise this question.  Conservation management is crucial to the future of plane Earth, and although the empirical approach can be used with a fair degree of success, it increasingly relies on experimental evidence.  Therefore, although conservation has been on the periphery of ecology as a subject, it should now be integrated into ecological thinking.  To this end I have started a section on applied ecology, with conservation management as the first subsection.  The aim is to elicit examples of conservation management systems that exemplify the application of six pillars of ecology. --Denis Bellamy 15:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats where that came from. I think "Applied Ecology" is a good idea. Should it be a separate section or a new book? We can decide of course after you get it underway. The premise of this book in the beginning was just to get the basics out of the way, and the chapters reflect this; but clearly there is lots more that can be said and done in the field and I did earlier set up the idea of separate sections which you are now pushing forward. Great!   - marsh 17:26, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * My first idea was that it should be a separate book. As you say, as it grows it may well be more useful to detach it.  As I see it the objective of Applied Ecology is to use ecological theory and principles to solve problems associated with intensive human use of the environment.  The following topics are distinct problem areas that are tackled by applying ecological principles on large scales; restorative and and mitigative habitat creation; conservation management; landscape architecture; water-treatment engineering based on wetland ecosystems; disease transmission through ecosystems; rehabilitation of rare species.  They broadly define the scope and of applied ecology as a subject and each one could be developed as the chapter of a book.  I will leave you to decide whether you would like applied ecology with this scope to be initiated in your book.--Denis Bellamy 11:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Having looked more closely at Help:How to start a book and Wickibooks: Naming policy, I have decided that the content would, in the long run, best be handled editorially by starting a new book entitled Applied Ecology.--Denis Bellamy 09:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ecology/Energy in ecosystems 49.204.181.35 (discuss) 15:18, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Page Renaming
I'm writing this book and will decide how and what pages are to be named. I'm not opposed to reviewing "your" convention and maybe applying it, but do not put stupid banners on the book modules - marsh 17:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I am happy to fit in with your convention--Denis Bellamy 11:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * You are writing this book at Wikibooks and Wikibooks policies apply to your book. Naming of this book is completely unconsistent and misleading. --Derbeth talk 11:33, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Guess what? I checked and there is no "Naming Policy"; only suggestions. Anyway, it is a firmly held rule at Wikipedia (and I assume here also), that suggestions to changes on pages be placed on the discussion page of the article. Banners on article pages are only those intended to convey information to users/readers (whether contributing or not), such as warnings about lack of factual support, controversy, revelation of surprise endings, and the like. Your very obnoxious banners have only the effect of driving users away from reading the article/module material. - marsh 19:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Please do not assume that Wikipedia policies apply here. Wikibooks has its own WB:PAG page, though much of it is intentionally similar to Wikipedia. WB:NP has never become enforced, but I suggest the renaming of Basic Ecology Contents, Practical Ecology, and Invasive Species Glossary to use "Ecology:" or "Basic Ecology:" like the other modules currently do.


 * No problem. I've always changed my pages in response to whatever style is currently in vogue. My objection is entirely with the tactics being used, especially by self-appointed enforcement police like McDerbeth.


 * Is the "obnoxious banner" a reference to Cleanup-NC? I always put it on the module, not the talk page, because similar templates like and  almost always appear at the module, not the talk page. So I presently believe that Cleanup-NC also belongs on that page. --Kernigh 04:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, although you are right, the practice is inconsistent, instructions or requests to editors/writers to do certain things with their text should be on the discussion page, just as any suggestions, requests, ideas, etc. would be. Banners on the module pages that are not intended for the user of the text (for example a student) tend to put the users off ("There must be something wrong with this textbook, I'll go elsewhere for my learning experience"); only makes sense. Also, while all are welcome to contribute, the fact is that only one or a very few people tend to excercise control over a particular texbook as necessary to actually get a book out the subject matter. As Basic Ecology is a book I am working on, I will not accept banners that are requesting something from me on the module page. I do not mind them on the discussion page; but they are not part of the lesson that the module represents and I excercise my editorial right to move them. And while I do not seem to be having a problem with you and this issue, I do not appreciate a non-contributor like Derbeth suddenly taking over a textbook because he does not like how the modules are named and then attacking me, which is how this "policy" is being implemented. I think that approach is way out of line with Wikipedia (and certainly Wikibooks) philosophy.  - marsh 01:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

More about renaming
I would have to agree that the banners across the top of various pages can be very obnoxious and are jarring in term of people who are simply trying to read the content and don't care how the content is stored internally on the webserver.

From the perspective of administrating content on Wikibooks, it helps if there is some sort of consistant naming for a wikibook, although I'm opposed to the current policy that only permits one single possible naming method. This helps mainly because tools like Special:prefixindex are available to help find content that has been "lost" due to links that have gone missing, or to help locate the "parent" module if you find a page in the orphan bin. Far too much content has been lost and forgotten on Wikibooks simply because there are no links available to help find it in the first place.

As you have said marsh, this is something that should be done politely on the talk page first, where contributors are able to make their suggestionss first and give credit to those who are developing the content... not run rough over contributors because you may have a few stripes on your arm as an administrator. --Rob Horning 12:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Anyone here?
Does anyone visit these pages anymore? I (and my class) plan on making some significant contribution over the next semester and would like to discuss layout, conception, etc with anyone still actively involved with the book. Thanks. --PaulWLepp 15:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Lepp's Ecology Class Assignment
Just writing a short message to see if this works and to fulfill the requirements of the assignment.--Turk 20:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Dr Lepp's Ecology class assignment== ==

Taking Ecology to be a better Biology teacher Murphyangus

Dr. Lepp's Ecology Class Assignment
Hi just a quick note I'm glad I figured this out. --Natator 88 15:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Lepp's Ecology Class Assignment
Hello just getting used to this and getting the assignment done. --Walleyesnwhitetails

Ecology/Habitat Fragmentation
...a lost page? Webaware talk 07:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)