Talk:Dutch/Lesson 3/Archive1

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Guaka, je hebt waarschijnlijk het aantal spaties tussen de woorden in het Nederlands en Engels gewijzigd, maar nu ziet het er bij mij heel raar uit. Eerst was het bij mij goed (de tweede kolom begon overal op dezelfde plek), nu fout; bij jou is het waarschijnlijk andersom. Wat wel raar is, want regels met een spatie zouden monospaced moeten zijn, dus voor iedereen hetzelde. Zijn de volgende regels voor jou monospaced?

test                   20 spaties later langere test mmmmm     6 spaties later

Mtcv 18:12, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)


 * The gender problem.

This section is confusing. The northern Dutch varieties had already pretty much lost the three gender system by the end of the 17th century. The spelling system, and the lexicographic tradition servicing spelling needs, articifially maintained the three gender system until the mid-20th century, and consequently dictionary entries still contain the indications m or v for common gender nouns. But the standard language simply has a two gender system and it will be much easier for learners to just stick to that. Another problem is that anaphoric reference by means of demonstratives does not relate to the grammatical gender but to sex: so you get 'het meisje en haar vriend' (the-NTR girl-DIM and her friend). Since this is not generally acknowledged people are generally at a loss as to which demonstrative to use with nonanimate nouns, often resorting to a hypercorrect feminine demonstrative. In view of this, I'll just have a go at simpifying this section.

Zwart 21:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * tja daarmee heb je natuurlijk wel alle Vlaamse Nederlandstaligen weer eens buitenspel gezet. Bovendien zijn woorden op -ing en -heid wel degelijk vrouwelijk. Ook in het Noorden. Ze komen dan ook regelmatig voor met ter. Verder denk ik dat je possessives met demonstratives verwart.


 * Let me say that in English too: by doing this you have once again denied all Flemish speakers the right to consider this their language too. (This is a bad Dutch habit for which this Dutchman is utterly ashamed). Besides words like the ones on -ing and -heid are feminine even in the North. (See the official word list of the Taalunie known as the little Green Book: it also contains gender. Including m, f and common.) Words on -ing often occur with the distinctly feminine ter, also in the North. Besides I think you are confusing demonstratives and possessives. Haar is a possessive, not a demonstrative.


 * Besides it is really confusing to say that 'de man' and 'de vrouw' are both common gender. Even in English it is recognized that 'the man' is masculine and 'the woman' is feminine. This is why they are refered to as he and she (hij and zij).

Iarlagab 03:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)