Talk:Drugs:Fact and Fiction/2C

The 2C Chemicals
This page is going to be about the 2C chemicals discovered by Alexander Shulgin. PurplePieman (talk) 08:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Out of scope
This page to me is beyond the current scope of this book, are there any objections to removing it. Thenub314 (talk) 20:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Why are 2C (psychedelics) out of scope ? Alexander Shulgin and his work is extremely important to understand that the drugs problem is not in the drugs themselves but in the users and society. Drugs are tools, in this respect they are better than guns. A gun has a stricter purpose.  --Panic (talk) 20:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not detracting for the work of Alexander Shulgin, nor trying to imply guns are "better" then drugs. Simply I want to keep the book from becoming an all encompassing list of every known psycoactive and focus on the most commonly used recreational substances. Thenub314 (talk) 22:26, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I do agree that there isn't a need to cover all the 2C's but there is a need to cover their existence and the history of Alexander Shulgin as it demonstrates well how society regards scientific investigation in the field.
 * Most of the drug labeled illegal are extremely badly understood. Another point of interest is the censorship around drug syntetization, and the interesting duality on how states see drugs (tobacco, alcohol, caffeine etc...). From the opium wars to the DOD/CIA LSD trials to the CIA importing cocaine into the US there is much to cover if the information is to be of any use. Even question the effectiveness and cynicism behind US war on drugs and cover how the US demand on narcotics has eroded stability of neighboring countries from Mexico, Colombia to Panama. Create a distinction about the cultural use of drugs and abusive use (and why people need to use them to escape reality), explain the history behind Peru use of the coca leaf and the Native-Americans religious rites involving psychedelics. --Panic (talk) 22:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am (as we speak) gathering information about some of the Native American religious rites as we speak. My working plan has been to clean up the pages on individual substances, then work on the page on psychoactive categories.  It would be more appropriate to put short remarks there.  In the mean time, can we tag this with a speedy as a consensus of book contributors, because it doesn't need its own page. Thenub314 (talk) 22:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

2C psychedelics should be covered, but this page doesn't have any meaningful content, so there is nothing lost by its deletion. --dark lama  23:24, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree but removing it will lead to a red link it is best if it is extended in some way. A trasnwiki from Wikipedia could help. I do not interned in working on this book in a regular basis. I will help as I can and comment here and there but would differ to what Thenub314 sees best if keeping in line with a NPOV.
 * Thenub314 I just edited the scope of the book and created several distinctions that where missing regarding drug use, they may require some further work. One side that would be extremely interesting would be the history behind illicit drugs, from how the The East India Company and the UK government used policy and military might to subvert China's government (the Opium Wars), and the destruction created, leading to the spread of opium use to the new world. Another interesting fact is that cocaine has been found in Egyptian mummies, leading to the conclusion that Egyptians my have traveled to the American continent, some stuff is extremely interesting in the human relation with drugs. --Panic (talk) 23:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)