Talk:Digital Media and Culture Yearbook 2014/Chapter 5: Crowdsourcing

Multimedia
The diagram someone has attempted to include has just come up as a file name in a box! I assume that is not what you wanted! Just thought i'd let you know. I tried taking a screen shot to show you but it turns out that putting an image in is not as straight forward as it seems because it doesn't let you choose from your own files. I will ask about it in the reading room. AlexandraChanner (discuss • contribs) 15:57, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

on it
Hey Raf, the lack of referencing is my fault and i will fix it now.AlexandraChanner (discuss • contribs) 14:00, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

JamesBeresford-Smith you said that you were having some problems with uploading photos. I suggest saving the file to your computer so that you can upload it using the 'embedded file' button that is located just above the type box. If this doesn't work please let one of us know before 5 so that we can help you find a solution. Alternatively, try asking in the reading room but you don't have too long to get a response!AlexandraChanner (discuss • contribs) 14:00, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Kylie- i did the first paragraph of Future of Crowdsourcing but i have no idea who did the other half- anyone? its not a direct quote but it does need to be referenced, something which i shall be sorting out now.AlexandraChanner (discuss • contribs) 14:00, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Proofreading
I spent a couple hours last night proofreading and made a few alterations this morning, please let me know if you don't agree with any of them.

There are still a few things that need work, so from what I can see, can the authors of the things below change or shout at me for misunderstanding what you've written: References are the most important, Wikipedians can delete sections at any time if we don't provide any evidence to support what we have written. Now be angry at me. Thanks!
 * Still no references in "History of Crowdsourcing".
 * 'Internet Gaming' need clarification on what Greenlight actually is (is it a website?).
 * Rheingold references in the text should be referenced like other references with footnotes instead of in-text parenthesis.
 * Is the Ghana example under 'Endorsement' part of (Rheingold) too? No reference.
 * I don't understand what Lush is doing that's crowdsourcing "More people know about the companies than the charities"- unsure what companies you mean.
 * 'Future of Crowdsourcing' section: 'reports showed', 'Mark Prensky coined the term' and 'belief amongst academics' all need references.
 * I don't fully understand the last few sentences of 'Future of Crowdsourcing' - starting with the challenges companies could face. The sentence structure was a little confusing too, I changed some already.
 * Reference 18 is a quote therefore needs a page number.
 * References 13/19/ 20 are not MLA. I would do every citation in text with a separate footnote.

Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 11:58, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey, JamesBeresford-Smith any luck on adding multimedia to the page as discussed in our meeting? Here's a good place to find them. Rkmraf (discuss • contribs)

From main book page: Whoever did the "Future of Crowdsourcing" section - is that a direct quote from an article somewhere? If so, please reference it!! Thank you Rkmraf for fixing the referencing problem we were having, would you please tell me what you did? And is it an automatic format that it goes into? I wanted to fix the references that were just websites to the full citation, but it just takes me back to having the footnote "1". Thanks! And also, we have only a couple more days so if JamesBeresford-Smith and  JamieS TA could let us know their sections, that'd be awesome. Looks great, I think we're doing awesome for being the only ones to have done this chapter! KylieMott (discuss • contribs) 08:32, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, contributors! Please remember to reference in MLA, otherwise other contributors will have to fix it and it may get confusing.
The two paragraphs below should help if you're unsure how:  Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 13:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * So, Wiki has some code that as far as I understand will automatically copy and sort the references chronologically, to activate it you have to type 'reflist' and some punctuation where you want it to appear. All it does is copy what we've written ourselves so you still have to write out the reference (or paste from RefWorks/EasyBib to make sure it's correct). So after the end of the text you're referencing paste the MLA reference in between a * your reference * < / ref >. Once saved it will appear under the references heading. I've formatted "2" to MLA so try "8". I also think the "The key ingredients of crowdsourcing according to a few dozen scholars who have published on the topic" needs a reference. If we say a few dozen, we ought to at least give one of them, could you add one in please AlexandraChanner?.
 * Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 13:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeaaah! sorting out all these references just still a bit confused by the process. I dont the book that i read it in gave any specific examples but i will try to take a look. AlexandraChanner (discuss • contribs) 14:01, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello everyone! I just discovered that The Guardian website has a section with all of their articles relating to crowdsourcing, should be helpful for anyone who hasn't done any work yet or needs something to write about. Here! Hope that helps. CiaranBC (discuss • contribs) 13:26, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey guys! I noticed that the References section has been deleted, so I am going to put that back in there. In addition, I am going to add a "Contributors" section so we can all just sign our names at the end, instead of having them on each piece (as Greg suggested). If you could just tell me the format we are using for the References, that'd be great and just pop them in there when you've got them. *SIDENOTE* Please make sure to go in order of the footnote numbers! Cheers KylieMott (discuss • contribs) 19:11, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

HOW TO PUT IN A REFERENCE
Using the toolbar at the top of the typing box page, there's a little icon that looks like a open book. Just copy/paste the link that you used, or a full reference if it wasnt taken from online into the blank area after clicking the book, and then "okay". It will come up as a whole huge mess, but if you preview/save page, you will see that it turns into a little number instead. JUST KNOW THAT you still will have to do this reference again in the REFERENCES section at the bottom of the wikibook. It does not automatically fill that in. KylieMott (discuss • contribs) 12:59, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * When I first tried that (I was highlighting the referenced text/ saving) the referenced text would disappear! I've started doing it manually with the ref tag. I think the number should automatically take you to the correct reference so not sure what I'm linking them to just now. I keep doing that then will try to change them all at the end and hopefully fix them. Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 14:56, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

THank you so much guys! I will put in my references later tonight! AlexandraChanner (discuss • contribs) 18:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

ALRIGHT y'all, I started on the INTRODUCTION section of the Wiki, just to get something down. If you don't like it, please change it, but I wanted a basis put up so it would be easier to get a grasp on what we are working with. Cheers! KylieMott (discuss • contribs) 11:26, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

SIDENOTE: (I think this is a good place to start, given that there have been no lectures yet on crowdsourcing. This is just a definition I pulled offline and at least it could get us all acquainted with the term. I will let y'all know any new info I get. Cheers!) KylieMott (discuss • contribs) 10:06, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Should we make a mention that what a Wikibook -IS- is crowdsourcing? I think it is quite relevant and would be a good real-life example of what it is rather than a simple definition (Putting this here because everyone should get a notification, and it'd be information to consider for each part of the page. KylieMott (discuss • contribs) 10:09, 24 March 2014 (UTC) Um... yes???! I think that's a really interesting idea, but...

I'd move this kind of discussion to the discussion page (delete from the main book page) GregXenon01 (discuss • contribs) 14:16, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh my gosh, I really need to figure out how to use this haha. Im not great. But I thought this may be helpful, it's about how CROWDSOURCING is being used to help locate the Malaysian Flight 370 that disappeared recently: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/crowdsourcing-the-search-for-malaysia-flight-370/ We may be able to use this in the RESOURCES section, or something, just as a reference on how it is used today, again making it seem applicable. KylieMott (discuss • contribs) 14:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Excellent! It's current affairs, on-topic, and a really good example of how these concepts describe real-world phenomena! GregXenon01 (discuss • contribs) 15:09, 28 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, Kylie. I thought I was so special when found out about crowdsourcing being used to search for the plane! Apparently other people read the news too but it's great to know we're on the same page! I see you've done a great job on the introduction and Main Concepts bit also. I'll do a more in depth write-up about Flight 370, might do a historical examples section. I know JamesBeresford-Smith had some examples of his own too. Under The Problems With Crowdsourcing I feel like we should add another specific example- how about the search for the Boston Marathon Bombing suspects using Reddit? I can tackle this unless you were already doing it yourself. Let me know. I've noticed Snowden is the only group doing Crowdsourcing so we don't have to worry about stepping on each other's toes after all. Having said this, obviously any help from Wikipedians would be greatly appreciated. Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 20:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sidenote: which referencing system are you and CiaranBC using? Because that's the one we should all agree to use. Wiki says the leader/ person starting it gets to choose. I'm not sure which one you guys are using? I did mine in APA 6th because I wasn't sure- the one used for Media at Stir. /: Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 22:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)


 * RAF: I am using a website called EasyBib and I use it for my english essays. I believe it is MLA format, but if that isnt the way we are supposed to do it, I can change it. If you want to do the bit about the plane, I can do Reddit/Boston Marathon. Is there anything else we need? KylieMott (discuss • contribs) 12:54, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I see! We use RefWorks for Stirling, there's a link to it from our Portal. If you prefer MLA we can go with that, what was CiaranBC using? I'll get another disaster example in too and I'll look at more academic sources soon. We'll have to have a discussion with the others. Might actually add some visuals too. Am I okay to take your Kickstarter description and make a crowdfunding subheading? I wanted to do a more detailed description and write about other crowdfunding services. Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 14:56, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

The plane was a great idea! As soon as i found out that we had crowd sourcing i thought of it as i had read about it on the bus that day! :) More examples is a good idea.. what do you guys think.. do you think that those question forums (such as yahoo answers) are an example of crowd sourcing? i suppose they could be.. As for referencing i always use APA so i'm up for that if the others agree. 82.12.5.99 (discuss) 02:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I liked your 4 points in the introduction! I bullet-pointed them instead and got rid of the 'delete if you want'- they're great points! See if you can get the one reference for them maybe? Or a scholar that summarises them.Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 14:56, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Also, guys remember we do not have to sign the sections we have written with the tildes. It makes the Wikibook look messy. So I say delete the signatures from every paragraph. If you like, I believe Greg suggested we can just sign it all the the bottom of the whole page in his email. And remember to log in, haha. Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 14:56, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey, how did you guys get the nice quote box? Mines look pretty crap just in italics, cheers. RobboAdare13 (discuss • contribs) 15:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


 * This Wikipedia entry should help! Let us know if it does, otherwise CiaranBC can help you. Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 19:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I found a book on the future of crowdsourcing by Jeff Howe (some of you might have come across this already, and I notice this has already been a section on this put into the Wikibook) but there's some interesting ideas in there about the ways in which children and teenagers use digital media and how it could cause some things which are scarce to become abundant and it could cause issues for businesses which trade in those things (it uses gaming as an example so it links in nicely to the section on gaming, as well as having some links to other ideas such as collaboration). Do you guys think exploring these ideas could be something useful to add into the book? JamieS TA (discuss • contribs) 16:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds relevant! More academic citations are alway helpful. If you like something in particular, share it here and we can discuss it or go ahead and add bits to the book. Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 19:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah his basic argument is about how crowdsourcing will shape the future of business so I think I'll go ahead and write some stuff about that, where do you think is best in the book for this to go? Under the 'future of crowdsourcing section'? Or should I just put it in there under a new heading and if it doesn't work someone can edit it til it does? JamieS TA (discuss • contribs) 13:50, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Ok so I put what I had under 'The future of crowdsourcing' section; I hope it's alright! I think I referenced correctly but I'm not sure. If anyone has any issues with it then edit it or put it under a new heading if you think it needs one. JamieS TA (discuss • contribs) 14:05, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's best in the Future section. Citation 16 doesn't look like full MLA and I would do 17 the same way as 15. Apart from that it's fine, if you did want to expand it more, could always bring the Business sub-sub heading back. Worth just previewing the different combinations to see which one looks best. Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 16:52, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Referencing update Good news! I found a way for the references to automatically appear in the reference list! I simply went onto another WIki article and had a look at the code! From now on just reference in the text itself, the references will automatically appear at the bottom with the working numbered links. If we accumulate a lot of them, we can change it so that appear in two columns. Remember that for consistency reasons we are using MLA 7th edition. Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 19:41, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi guys. Part of what I've discovered whilst doing my bit for "Always On" might be useful for your page regarding crowdsourcing and crowdfunding. I was going to post it straight on to your book as a contribution but thought I'd check in with you first. Here is the piece - I can give you the references or just put it straight on the book - just let me know. Cheers. "Crowdfunding, which a part of crowdsourcing, can lead to a company becoming so attractive after start-up that the owners are tempted to sell to make a large financial gain, potentially upsetting early backers. This was the case recently when Facebook bought virtual reality technology firm Oculus VR for £1.2bn, a company that was started with crowdfunding. After Oculus VR sold to Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg claimed that “virtual reality will be the next social communications platform” (The Guardian, 25th March, 2014). Reaction was the early backers were mixed with some against and some in favour (BBC, 26th March, 2014). Crowdfunding and crowdsourcing can clearly set in motion ideas and products that can become part of a global means of communication, as evidenced by the acquisition of such a product by Facebook, one of the world’s largest technology companies."George Berrie (discuss • contribs) 15:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Just noticed I probably put the above suggested contribution in a place in your discussion page that no one will see unless they are looking to check on referencing - so I'll post it now as the deadline is drawing near- I've edited it to fit in with what is already there under Crowdfunding - so if anyone wants to edit it further over the next 36 hours please feel free ... hope I don't mess up the referencing - will try not to!George Berrie (discuss • contribs) 09:34, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the contribution, George! Of course we appreciate any additions to the chapter as it's a collaborative and crowdsourced activity. I was somewhat confused that Facebook, out of all companies, bought Oculus VR with the Oculus Rift gaming VR system being so close to a consumer release. It could have been a response to Sony announcing  their own plans in the market but these acquisitions are usually in talks for a long time. Acquisitions such as these probably raise questions of trust from backers and the ethicality of 'selling out'. Backers of these projects simply invest/ support the projects but often may not get any real value from doing so- except the satisfaction of helping a startup and the promise of an eventual product. In the case of Oculus VR, many backers are left with thank you notes, T-shirts and posters even though without their initial support the project would likely not have existed at all. Are the backers left high and dry while the Oculus team are left with a company valued at $2 billion? You've got me thinking, I may add these thoughts as another criticism to crowdfunding, issues of ownership certainly come into play. Rkmraf (discuss • contribs) 13:49, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Multimedia
Hi guys. I still have little idea how to get multimedia onto the Crowdsourcing page. When I try to use something from Wikimedia it denies the upload because its their content? So what's the point of having Wikimedia if we can't use it? Any ideas? JamesBeresford-Smith (discuss • contribs) 12:26, 4 April 2014 (UTC)