Talk:Developing A Universal Religion/A Universal Religion

From meta-purpose, to universal purpose, to a universal religion: what a train of thought! - i agree, but self congratulatory remarks might be better suited for a chat or discussion environment than the actual article itself.

Our meta-purpose remains just an undefined vision of what Life might eventually become. “Supporting Life’s journey to become oB” may well be an emotionally appealing activity worth adopting when considering behavioural alternatives. However, it will not serve as the guiding purpose the world needs to craft legislation of use in international courts of law. For that a well-defined “universal purpose” is needed.

I think there are a whole host of good motivations and reasons that could be listed which would have a more compelling nature to me personally. I haven't honestly followed the whole train through, I'm still just pulling the most interesting thing i spot and making comment on it.

I think what we are doing here is making the argument PRO "Universal" If thats true, then you and I are definitely living in paralell universes, because my POV is "Educated Integrative Eclectic."

The reasons I think that a "universal" or "Eclectic" Approach should be adopted are; 1. The assorted religions don't operate at the functional level for most Users. Whatever else may be said for Christianity or Islam, The current result of participating is suspiciously similar to a neocortical lobotomy. Why? Because the Religions have invariably been kidnapped and held hostage by politically motivated propagandists. Those people invariably want to use information to CONTROL people, NOT Liberate their minds, or faciliate a Genuine Spiritual Life.

2. In MOST cases, the assorted flaws of any given religious dogma are forced to resolve when that dogmas core axioms are compared to similar core axioms in other religions. ie The problems can be flushed out and the entire set of paradigms can be scrubbed clean most easilly by using alternate dirty paradigms as co-scrubbers.

3. This makes the game of doing this lucidly about single paradigm discussions, with stated up front POV Strubs for all of the denominations likely to register a blip or an opinion one way or the other.

4. Most important in the POV sets are the meta sets. These are.

1. Casual Eclectic; Persons who aren't educated, but can see a pattern with two different religions having two similar core axioms.

2. Educated Lazy Eclectic; Anybody highly educated, but in less than three paradigms

3. Educated Integral Eclectic; Anybody highly educated whos whole POV hinges on bringing in as many different details from as many different paradigms as is possible; IE the "Hard Core" Eclectic. Or, A person highly educated in probably at least two or more paradigms, and at least slightly educated in at least 3 or more others.

4. Universal; The intuitive approach at a high level of functionality.

5. Macro Axiom; A schematized and ordered list of Axioms (pro POV only) Which then links into the POV per axiom pages.

6. Macro Flaw; Logical fallacies, Propaganda tricks, The Psychology of being accidentally wrong and evangelical, etc.

7. Historical Footnotes

8. Annoted Integrative Eclectic Bible

9. Annotated Integrative other religious Text

10. Link outs to Ethics, Sociology, Civil Engineering, Psychonautics Solutions.

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A universal purpose is also required if a nation-guiding moral code is to be developed. Such a code would provide the moral authority international bodies need if they are to serve humanity well as we move into a very uncertain future.

- Yeah, let me say some things as a Politico and a Social Scientist with the equivalent of a doctorate degree in Political Science and the equivalnet of a Bachelors degree in "War" or "Game" Theory.

We cannot win the war on Terrror. Its a futile venture, because there will be a country with Islamic Radicals running it which also has Nukes within our Lifetimes. The Clock is ticking for us to solve this problem in a real way, or, End the human species due to pack psychologies idiot program.

The real solution to the problem is to resolve the social and civil issues well enough that we can end poverty and strife for everybody on the planet. Whatever kneejerk responses that may elicit, the truth of the matter is that for the same price as the IRAQ war, we could have fed, sheltered, and clothed Every person on this planet.

In the modern era, it is less costly to turn your enemies into your dependants than it is to bother to fight them.

And only THAT wisdom will deliver us from Armageddon. --

This chapter suggests steps that might be taken to build a universal religion from the yet-to-be-developed universal purpose. Some might consider that a powerfully worded and valued purpose should suffice to guide collective global decision making, but this is not how I contend the mind operates. -- My opinion, and what I am trying to drive home to you, is that while your overall concept is a noble and high aspiration, you are making a chronicly naive set of assumptions about how much process is going to be needed to arrive at an end product rather than an eventually deleted POV and Propaganda experiment.

Global decision making will need to arise from the blueprint that we as Authors set down. For instance, take the single topic of "Christianity."

What you need is a few new bullets under that main topic;
 * Pro POV
 * Con POV
 * POV Disambiguation; Please State your Denomination and POV.
 * List Of Standard Axioms
 * List of Esoteric Axioms
 * List of Ethical Errors, and Solutions
 * List of Cognitive Errors, and Solutions
 * List Of Logical Errors, and Solutions
 * List of Social Engineering Errors, and Solutions
 * List and Exploration of Derived Gems
 * Eclectic Integrative Analysis
 * Eclectic Integration

That, in my opinion, could serve as a template for each of the religions. --

As we saw in Part Two, the mental Construct that a belief develops can preclude alternative ways of thinking, thus all true believers of any doctrine will always claim that the commandments of their faith override any national or international law. Something labelled a “universal religion” may come to be regarded as worthy of being equally obeyed. My hope is that some day members of all religions might take the time to consider what was being said, if it were being expressed by a sufficient number of well-respected and influential people all claiming to follow a “universal religion.” -

The ultimate pay off for this is that it is the ultimate tool for diplomacy. If there is an axiom map generated between religions, then people of different religions can use their own religious principles to explore similar ideas in other religions. This makes talking to an Islamic Extremist a whole lot easier, if you have printed out our text to ride along with you in say Palestine.

Again, the “universal religion” being proposed here is not something to be force fed to anyone. It should be seen as a companion to other religions, concerned about and dealing with the welfare of community and life, but having nothing to say about any individual after-life beliefs. Eventually, however, I do think that the rationality of the proposed universal religion will lead it to replace the less objective religions that we have inherited, because humankind is itself becoming more rational. Perhaps this transition will occur sometime in the future, however, not in this century, I suspect. -- I am more optomistic. THIS that we are doingright now, has tremendous causal potential, and the potential for geometric progression in terms of participation. We are in the earliest part of THIS century, so unless you wrote that prior to 2000, I think its very realistic to think that we could create something here which would become the new dominant Religious reference text.

From there, its only a matter of time till the old opinionated non-internet using old foagies start to die off. Evolution and paradigmal theory have been held at bay as forces by the propaganda establishment; but thats slowly creating a tidal surge in knowlege and information. Sooner or later that Tide has to come in somewhere, and when its full impact hits, there is going to be rapid paradigmal evolution, because nobody will be able to take the old paradigms seriously any more.

- Elements of this chapter trouble me. Section two seems to be promoting disorder,

You have to break eggs to make omellettes. -

there are many who know much more than I - possibly, but I think you are still the best lead Author.

about promoting a cause in a sensible manner; they would be the ones to consult when action is sought, not me.

lol.