Talk:Culinary Arts

Welcome

 * Note from the starting author:
 * Hello and welcome. My intention is to write a book of textbook quality and detail on culinary fundamentals for the culinary enthusiast. I am not a culinary professional and though I am a competent cook I hesitate to call myself an enthusiast. I do like to eat well. Since I am not a culinary professional I plan to tackle one chapter at a time, start with the information I know and supplement it with further research. Wikipedia should prove a good resource however anything from there will need to be heavily edited for style.


 * I probably should have left this as one of my user pages until I had it fleshed out a little more. If you follow along it may be a rough ride for a while.  I have substantially built my  outline. As you can see it is very flat.  I am thinking that entire chapters could be incorporated into another book on a specialized area.


 * Feel free to edit and make suggestions. Ping me if you edit so I won't occidentally clobber your edit.


 * Eddie

Shelving
I've been trying to figure out what shelf this belongs on. In the process I've discovered a serious lapse in our shelving system, in that Cookbook isn't shelved. My current leaning is we should rename Shelf:Foodservice to be slightly more general, and both this and (somehow) Cookbook should go in there. I'm waffling over what the new name of it should be, considering the range of things that would go in it. Thoughts? --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 02:31, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I had also wondered where this should go but that was way down on my worry list. I was thinking about the same thing as you suggest.  It also occurred to me that this is only the tip of the iceberg.  For instance, Architecture. It doesn't really fit anywhere else.  The simplest fix may be to add a new shelf for "Technology & Industry". Several of the sub-shelves already in Miscellaneous would fit there. Culinary Arts and Cookbook could go into the Food Science sub-shelf of Tech&Ind.  I have book Ontology that I was playing with several years ago. Now that you have just gone through the effort of re-shelving it may be a moot point.  I'll see if I can resurrect it just as a point of reference.  --Eddiem0710 (discuss • contribs) 17:42, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I also notice around there is a Wine and Brewing which really should go under Food Science ( or whatever it gets called). Vine-culture goes under Agriculture but wine is food or beverage.   --Eddiem0710 (discuss • contribs) 17:45, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * i made the page Ontology of book subjects which I see is way overkill for what would be useful here. But I learned something new.  I need to create pages like this under my User page so it doesn't get published as a book unless I want it to.  Oh well... I move it.  --Eddiem0710 (discuss • contribs) 18:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Shelf:Architecture is a sub of Shelf:Visual arts, which seems a solid arrangement and imho should stand, even if Architecture were also placed somewhere else. I notice Wikipedia also chose to arrange its category hierarchy with architecture under visual arts.  Which doesn't mean it can't also go under another grouping, but perhaps we should be wary of creating a shelf likely to draw in a bunch of pre-existing stuff already comfortably placed.  Admittedly the prospect of a parent shelf to draw together more of Department:Miscellaneous is tempting. The whole hierarchy in-depth on a single page is rather overwhelming, isn't it.  Interesting, though. Back on the original question, Food science is a tempting name... I'm unclear on just how the term is used, though. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 18:42, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * oh I didn’t look there but I do still think there will be a lot of things that don’t fit well anywhere. Your only choice is to come up with a elaborate overwhelming hierarchy like mine or just handle them as they occur.  I tried to come up with something better than FoodScience but all I could think of was Food Related Stuff which doesn’t seem quite right.  —Eddiem0710 (discuss • contribs) 19:52, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Our approach is primarily distributed, as discussed at Wikibooks Stacks/History. Rarely, we do step in and adjust something about the hierarchy; like the occasion, a couple of years ago, when I collected several wildly miscellaneous books into Shelf:Personal appearance and fashion. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 20:21, 27 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Re food shelving, starting from en.wp Category:Foodservice, the food-related ancestor category that also encompasses private cooking is Category:Food and drink. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 00:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * How about "Culinary arts" as a name for a shelf containing the Cookbook, this book, and all the other stuff (including subshelf Foodservice)? I'm inclined to move on this fairly soon, as it's not good to have this book uncategorized. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 00:48, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


 * That sounds good. I think that would work. I was thinking of changing the title of this book to culinary fundamentals because it does not really cover all the culinary arts. I was just putting it off because of moving all the pages, deleting the redirects and fixing any links. I guess the sooner the better as far as the amount of work. Can a regular user like me have delete privilege or can the “don’t create a redirect” option be added to the move? —-Eddiem0710 (discuss • contribs) 01:34, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


 * For a big move like that, involving many pages, one generally asks an admin to do it, as we can move it in a single action and we can suppress redirects. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 05:38, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Overlap with Cookbook
This book is under-developed, hasn't been updated in a long time, and has significant overlap with the Cookbook. As such, I propose merging any well-developed content into the Cookbook, which is being worked on and has greater existing architecture. If there are no objections, I will make this merge. Cheers! —Kittycataclysm (discuss • contribs) 17:11, 1 May 2023 (UTC)