Talk:Create Vampires

Please, do not delete. This may be helpful to other people. I want to thank JackPotte, who informed me of a deletion [Talk:Create Vampires]. Although I am unsure that by looking for dictionary definitions to better understand strange words, and that by researching the history, or origin, of strange words that redefine people, we are creating a fictional work of Literature. I am as unsure of what defines fiction, as the people at Wikibooks are. I suppose people will not be encouraged to better understand vampires, and similar monsters, from a book called "Create Vampires," maybe because learning about Writers of Literature who did create vampires is a original idea? Maybe this ideas is intended for people who are willing to read non-fiction about the fictional creations, and monsters, they enjoy when reading fictional books. Maybe historical notes, if discovered, about the creators of vampires in fiction can attract people's interest. I'm sure many people are interested in working together to create Wikibooks Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 16:03, 1 May 2020 (UTC) that are interesting to people. I ask do not delete this message, because we do not want to waste other people's time.

Before I ask for other people to join as contributors, I want to share what I have learned from JackPotte. JackPotte implied that this work: Original works of Fiction and Literature, maybe beyond the scope of Wikibooks. I have noted subjects like "creative writing" and "Philosophy" as being suitable subjects for people interested in learning new creative writing techniques, or in learning about Philosophy. I think we must encourage people to seek information about the people who created, and will create vampires. If a wikibook can be a common guide to people, then we should encourage, educate, and believe in people! Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 20:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Facts: This page was not created by accident. This page may need to be listed as a "test" because links do not work [there are no links to other pages].Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 21:08, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I hope several people working and editing Wikibooks, and pages, will answer my questions. I have included a title page, with a outline, and several definitions. This page does not create copyright violations [unless I am mistaken, if so, please inform me of whose copyrights I am violating]. This page is non-Fiction, and due to several popular definitions, this page maybe considered slightly informative. This page has information of use, and does not appear accidental, or humorous [because no jokes are listed on this page]. Please explain why this is a page that should be deleted. I do not understand what this page is lacking, or needs. How many facts must this page have to avoid being deleted? I think it may help other people to know what each Wiki-page needs in order to avoid being "deleted."

Fact: We can include articles from Wikipedia as a good informative source about vampires. I request information for myself, and other people, about ways to properly credit / cite Wikipedia.org

Fact: I am a non-profit writer. My intentions are to work peacefully with a collective, meaning other people, to provide free and useful information about popular subjects and current events. I did suggest people help improve the quality of this article by contributing. I assume this is a website open to non-profit writers, and I assume vampires are a popular topic of interest. This page needs other contributors in order to improve the book's educational quality. Thanks for agreeing!

I have requested help, information, guides and answers to a few questions that were raised. Thank you. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 21:08, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Category?
Assuming this project is not deleted, I ask you (people), do we need to list Create Vampires under a category? If we should, can we get help with this task before this page gets deleted?

Perhaps: Original Fictional Creations in Literature / Vampires [and similar monsters]…? Thanks. 22:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC) This may be decent. Category:Book:Guide: Original Fiction Creations: Vampire / Logical Fallacy...? This excellent idea, borrowed from other writing projects, seems better than my own idea to classify Create Vampires under "false realities," a popular term with fans of The Matrix [film]. Yet, this assumes that people have choices in what reality they have, yet if we don't create our reality, then individuals have problems in their preception of their reality. The idea of classifying Create Vampires as a logical fallacy seems reasonable. Is this decent? Thanks. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 03:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm returning with a new [yet traditional] idea! Category: Book: Original Fictional Creations In Literature / Vampires [And Similar Monsters] Shelf: Humanities: Literature / Literary Criticism Any questions? Thanks. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 08:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Read a wiki Help:Categories article, and now I am not sure... Maybe Category:Book Title is correct and proper. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 09:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC) IT IS IMPORTANT to read the information about CATEGORIES! I have re-arranged the early categories like this: Category: Book: book title [Create Vampires] and Category: Subject: subject [Original Fictional Creations In Literature] I'll work on Shelf Info later. Any Questions? Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 12:55, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes We Can!
Thanks to all who have helped so far... [Create Vampires has not yet been deleted!] I don't want to take this project too seriously, yet I don't want to waste other people's time. We can develop a general outline, and slowly cull facts, present our collected resources with illustrations, share informative tips, factual information, and useful links. We will probably need historical dates, and important quotes. I think we should s-l-o-w-l-y develop this book. Will Create Vampires be a resourceful, and factual "self-help" guide to creating original vampires and similar monsters? When creating original fictional creations, it helps to stay informed. There is a lot of information about Literature, and there are popular culture resources that may be of help to general readers. Will Create Vampires be better as a good example of cultural folklore, that changes from country to country? This changes the "creative writing" and "original fiction" aspect, moving this topic to a less fictional perspective! [Edited] Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 19:44, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I think The Vampire Encyclopedia may also be a great wikibook for a collective group of people to create. Although The Vampire Encyclopedia is already a book, I know books can have similar title, although written by different people. I propose a special group write The Wiki-Vampire Encyclopedia, if Create Vampires becomes less a factual self-help guide to creating original vampires, and more a non-factual wiki-book classified as "creative Fiction," or "cultural folklore." Thanks. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 23:17, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Introduction: So Fake yet so Original
I confess, some person is cyberbullying me, and I have difficulties writing in blogs, and in this case, for a scholastic audience. For the bold and unafraid book fans, I hope someone will be willing to write a decent introduction.

Because wikibooks can be created by a group, and can be edited by anyone, I propose this type of introduction... Original Fictional Creations [Opening] What is Art? What quality makes works of fiction, Language Arts? What is originality? [Wikipedia's definition for vampire] "A vampire is a creature of folklore..." [Question] How are vampires different from Ghost? What are other similar monsters? [Zombies are a great case] [End of Opening] How are vampires original [we will define original]? Can modern writers create truly original vampires? Does this sound lai-ca a good opening?

Thank you for Create Vampires. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 00:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikibook Titles and Links?
I feel sorry for myself because I am new, yet I am learning to not expect help, or answers to my questions just because I am new to the Wikibooks community, and ask questions. I wanted (in good faith) to start a Book: Create Vampires, I wonder: why do I only have 7 days to finish this book? How do other people write their Wikibooks in 7 days? I was told that I had 7 days to improve the opening page, or the book and page would get deleted. Is this the sites policy? Although this book's title is new, it is not currently a published book. I checked, I googled this. I do not understand why the Administrator has rejected Create Vampires, although this book is recomended for a speedy deletion. I can only ask why do people want to delete my book, opening page, and the book's title? Is it because it is a original title? Should I create a un-original, general book title?

Q: I have seen other people's wikibook pages, many links do not direct to other electronic pages. Is this a policy violation? I have written: Test? [Links do not direct to electronic pages]. Why is this necessary? Does this message actually help people? Are there people who can answer my basic questions, questions I have about Create Vampires continually being nominated for deletion. The first day I created the page, my page was nominated. Should the book be a completed book on the first day? Are most wikibooks completed on the first day? Why is this speedy writing process not clearly stated? Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 02:24, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

General: Textbooks
I am new to Wikibooks. I have read some policies, and basic introductions to Wikibooks. My first book proposal: Create Vampires may be deleted, that is not something I have control over. I ask for clarity. Why did I only have 7 days to gather people who could help write, edit, and added helpful contributions? What must a person write a non-profit book in 7 days? This site should primarily be used for developing textbooks, and text-bookish resources. Why is it this site's policy to delete any text-book not finished after 7 days? Does this 7 day deletion policy encourage copyright violations? How is it reasonable to develop a textbook, or guide book, in 7 days? Is this a normal, or fair policy? Thanks (no reason). Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 02:50, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

To Help, Or Not To Help Editors, Writers, Contibutors, and People New To Wikibooks?
What happened to the new Introduction? This page has already had a re-direct moved, and many edits erased / moved. Any reasons?

Communication Request!
There is a administrator who seems interested in developing the educational content, and overall quality of Create Vampires. A few problems have occurred, and it seems like other people may not like the title Create Vampires. Is a specific title, such as The Vampire Encyclopedia, a better title for Wikibooks? I have suggested a basic title, How To Create Vampires, because this seems better, yet may be more appropriate for Wikihow. Suggestions, request, and possible reasons for edits and deletions would be helpful. Thanks. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 18:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Can we directly quote from other Dictionaries?
Hey u'all, I have a quick question, how much from a Dictionary can people quote within "fair-use" guidelines? Do we quote the entire entry? Do we quote only the main defining parts?

Important detail!
This is a important discussion topic, because it sets-up a division between people. Many people consider vampires imaginary creatures, yet other people consider vampires as un-dead people up from their graves. Both groups use factual information to back their claims. I have noticed the vampires of Eastern European origin as considered by most people as un-dead beings up from their graves. Latin-Americans see vampires as demonic un-spiritual beings, while many Americans and English speakers consider vampires more works of the imagination. Create Vampires considers these distinctions as valid. Thanks Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 10:11, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Why use inter-wiki links?
Help u'all, I have been told by a wiki-program to use inter-wiki links, instead of the URLs to Wikipedia articles. This seems reasonable. This also seems like a big problem, because it looks like I have created a new page, instead of sharing a information link. I'm not sure this is a improvement. My pages have deletion problems. Are there people who use wiki-links who are willing to help? Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 10:47, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

About This Book
What type of book is this? This book will introduce 5 "original" fictional creations [or oddly unique persons]: 1. vampire-person 2. zombie-person 3. hungry ghost-person 4. ghost-person 5. demon-person This book will guide people, focusing on why a vampire is a original fictional creation. We hope this book will include tips that will help writers. Q: What type of book can help people become better writers, and better readers? A factual book with useful information is better at educating the public than a fictional book, yet books of fiction have inspirational, or interesting things to say. Fictional characters share memorable quotes that keep people reading, for this reason, a book with clear, memorable quotes seems better. A combination text-book, tutorial and self-study course-guide seems ideal, or if done wrong, experimental in need of improvements and special development.

I hope this brief summary helps people. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 13:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Tracking Recent Changes...opps.
If this helps,

link to check recent changes, wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&limit=50&days=7&urlversion=2 | "Tracking"

Some thoughts
I offer a few small remarks.
 * It isn't necessary to complete the book in seven days.
 * I'd recommend tweaking the title of the book, in some way; it seems the current title doesn't clearly communicate the book's purpose. Some thought is warranted on what to call it, of course.  What to choose as a title depends on what purpose is to be communicated, which relates it to my next point, below.
 * The main page of the book should state plainly, up-front, what the purpose of the book is. Right now, the first thing it says is
 * Create Vampires is a book, intended as a guide, and as a non-Fictional resource written for readers fascinated by vampires and similar monsters!
 * This statement is short, and friendly, both of which are good, but it doesn't bring out the purpose. I continue to read down the main page and still don't find an explanation; honestly, I think this purpose (whatever it may be) likely ought to be all over that main page; but it should be both clear from the title of the book and stated plainly in that first sentence.

--Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 13:00, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Is this book meant to be a guide for writers on how to design vampire characters for fiction writing? Or have I not quite got that right?
 * :-) --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 13:01, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Probably "as a guide" to avoid pitfalls, and mis-understandings. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 19:46, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Greetings Pi zero, I communicated with Justin, a brainy fellow, who influenced my idea, changing my thoughts. I recall deciding to "mend" two different directions the book could go in. The more I think about the book, the less certain I am about the book's structure. The more I learn about Wikibooks, the less certain I am about writing a book, maybe I should write more a collective for people, written and edited by people. The clear ideas I did have, would become less clear and certain when other people write Create Vampires, yet group editing is a basic part of Wikibooks. This process [of editing and discussion] does bring out what is better in people. In a nut shell, I am lost, because I have used my head more. In fact, planning a textbooks is not the same as spending time creatively writing. When writing, we "fly by the seat of our pants," meaning we sit down, we write. Textbooks must be written by students who have finished a particular course of study. Textbooks deal with known material, therefore, textbooks are planned. Textbooks are certain. Because this process is new, because I am not a student of Create Vampires, nor a Create Ghost student, I do not already know the path, I can't share the path because I myself do not know. I think I need to wait, and think about this as a guide. I may need to visit another project. Thanks for asking. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 19:38, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

About your suggestions Pi zero, keeping the title "Create Vampires" gives us a bigger scope, I personally want to write about avoiding certain pitfalls and common mis-notions, other people may write about style, subtle changes in word usage, or spelling, that can shift focus (is this a book about inner struggles, or a tale reflecting problems other people have regarding death? Does a change in spelling, or setting [underground vs. above] alter the intent, indicating that a new interpretation will be needed? This is style, yet where does style and design fit? How to "design vampires" for fictional settings would help new writers, and people who read occult-ish books. This is why I hope we introduce fictional types, list general commonalities such as feeding, ability, personality traits...ect. I hope this title Create Vampires, allows a greater area to become less uncertain, more known. Thanks for asking a good question Pi zero. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 19:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

One more suggestion, I do not approve of the occult, because people in cults are dangerous non-conformist who often act atypical, less normal, and attract cult members because they seem fascinating, magical or amazing. I suggest we approach a EVOLVING TEXTBOOK ABOUT THE CREATIVE WRITING PROCESS like the YIN and YANG, some parts of the subject must stay in the dark [like a dream], while other parts can be shared in the light of day, may be historic, know and understood [like waking-life]. We can also think of this EVOLVING TEXTBOOK in terms of computer programming, where some source codes must remain hidden, thus protected, while other parts are known, copied, shared, useful, explained, expanded and fixable. I hope this helps. I do value my dreams, I do value Sai-Co-Lo-Gy, and slowly uncovering what is often hidden in the dark, yet I warn people, because drugs, cults and negative developments in fiction can become dangerous, we must stay mindful, open, educated, and discuss our concerns as we develop entertaining stories or works of Art. There should be a balancing aspect. Thanks, all who hope to help people everywhere learn, keeping a attentive, mindful attitude. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 20:19, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps: Original Fictional Creations in Literature / Vampires [and similar monsters]…? Thanks. 22:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
I think the original idea, suggested for a general classification, is a better title, and may attract contributors, people who can share interesting stories about original, fictional creations in literature. People may want to share their favorite original fictional creations with other people, this activity may seem better than editing a guide to "creative writing," a helpful textbook of terms and historic material, with general warning pages because monsters are a dangerous subject, and zombies, vampires, and the "un-dead," is not altogether fictional. Although, I have not given-up on the first idea, inspired by Google and Wiki-how instructional wikies. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 21:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * To be clear, Wikibooks does not host original research. It isn't within our scope to provide a place for people to share original fictional creations. It's important to have a limited scope for a well-defined book that people can know how to contribute to.  You are quite right that books are hard to write; you not only have to work out how to organize a book, but you need to clarify what goes where, and how someone who wants to contribute knows what to do.  I think it's great you have an idea, and I encourage you to think about it, don't get scared off by the difficulty but give it some thought and see what you can come up with.  I certainly don't want to discourage you; but it wouldn't be helpful to pretend this isn't challenging, either.  To offer some inspiration: I've worked on a couple of wikibooks myself (Conlang and Wikijunior:World Religions), and the most important work I've done on each of those books has been in trying to improve and clarify its organization.  I found the world-religions book particularly rewarding in that regard.  There had been several attempts over the years at a Wikijunior book on religions, but each of them had fizzled for one reason or another; and the most nearly-successful of those had been a bust because each chapter, about a particular religion, was asked to use a standard outline to answer a set of basic questions about the religion, but unfortunately the standard questions had been chosen with the best of intentions but with insufficient knowledge of religions outside the Judaic/Christian/Muslim tradition, so that users trying to write chapters about any other religion were unable to move forward.  I revised the set of standard questions, and as an extreme test of the new set of questions I started and extensively developed a chapter on atheism (if the question-set can handle that it should be able to handle about anything, right?).  Once the new set of questions was in place, I won't say the book has been hugely active, but it's definitely been more active than it had been for years with the previous set of questions. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 21:54, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

The foundation for most morals and ethics can be found in Judeo-Christian texts, yet basic reciprocal ethics, as taught by the Golden Rule, can be found in almost all of the worlds religions, most of humanities [all people] formal religious belief systems. People can not understand our mating norms [and rules], society, or development of city, then states [perhaps nations] without practicing ethics, mainly reciprocal ethics. People who create social groups soon discover a need for fair, reasonable "norms" and behaviors. People next start building ethics. Ethical conduct, laws and ethics, understanding and learning basic ethics, human behavior, growth, and human rights...ect. I'm sure grouping religions under ethic guides [spiritual Teachers] will help clarify why people share with similar people their religious ideas. Yet if most religions have similar ethical foundations, then how are they different? Well, from my limited understanding, each group of people, living in different parts of the world, have different challenges, this combination of family descent, and environment, gives a distinct "ethnicity" to each group, create a special grouping unity around the common core beliefs and expected ethical conduct. I hope this helps you. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 17:49, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Why create vampires?
Should writers be encouraged to create vampires? I am certain that a "un-dead" animated corpse can never be a good characters, never a hero. People should read classic literature about heroic characters in opposition to other people, or unusual forces [of nature]. The problem, I soon discovered in my personal writings, was that negative characters, meaning a dead corpse, or a demon with super-powers, are certainly perceived as examples of writers developing negative characters, characters that do not get better. This is common sense, and such judgements are reasonable. I do not think we should encourage people to develop negative characters, so a question that is raised is: why create vampire stories? Vampires are becoming popular subjects. Vampires are currently popular in works of fiction. I hope we can create a guide / text-book for new writers, and people in general interested in creating "monsters," or in reading more about "monsters," yet I am uncertain about the reasons many people created vampire stories. Many modern day vampire tales are not horrific, many tales written by women seem dark and romantic, even ironic while being sexual. Is this the purpose? Do women write stories with a vampire hero as a ironic, sexual and humorous gesture? When people wrote stories about vampires, they wrote horror stories about vampire-people, people often buried alive. People mistaken for "vampires." These stories, reflective of their horrors, and the medical darkness of their time, expressed fears, gave warnings, panic'd people and attracted Scientist critical of the walking "un-dead." Are there other functions for starting vampire tales? Please, share your opinions or ideas. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 12:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind, original research is not allowed on Wikibooks. One has to be careful of this line.  It is fine to try a new, innovative way of teaching certain material, but the material being taught must not itself be new/innovative/experimental. I feel the book still needs top-level definition; but, I don't understand the objectives of the book myself, well enough to try to improve it myself.  Which is itself an example of the problem: as long as it remains unclear what the purpose of the book is, nobody but you can really contribute to it. --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 13:36, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Should I link a Twilight Wikibook's page?
Hey all, I am uncertain about the importance of this: (broken link: ...wiki/How_to_Read_Young_Adult_Literature_Like_a_Young_Adult_Writer/Twilight...). Although two subjects: young adult readers and vampire-romance genre is important, I'm not sure if this wikibook page is important. In general, is this page's information helpful to most people? People, let me know your thoughts by leaving a comment, or suggestion. Thanks. Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 17:33, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

"Name-character Tags," Shady Fictional Devices?
Character Tags in Fiction? I don't see a lot on this technique. The best way I can describe this technique, used by several writers, is to create a "name tag" for the flat character, that sums up his expected behavior during a particular stage of growth. For example, Peter Petus would probably be a young adolescent displaying normal male behavior, behavior that is immature. Some people give their children "nicknames" that they hope they will grow out of, after they settle and act like mature adults. For example: Pete maybe be short for Peter, which may be a short name for Patrick. If the concept of "name tags," or "character tags" holds true, the character will likely answer to his developed name, responding not to Pete, but tu Patrick, as the character develops [if characters develop in ways similar tu how people develop]. This seems "shady." Should we mention "name tags" or "name-character tags?" Should we avoid this because it seems "shady" and may best be kept a secret? Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 18:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Advice about "character-tags" from "Daily Writing Tips.com"
What is a character tag? According to writer Maeve Maddox, "...a character tag is a repetitive verbal device used to identify a character in the mind of the reader." link: www.dailywritingtips.com/character-tags-in-fiction I hope people can use this information. Was this difficult? Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 18:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Create Vampires: From Information to Application?
What if we taught students, and Wikibook readers a writing technique, or a writing device, "name-character-tag" that often gets out of hand, because students could generate thousands [of mostly humorous] false names? What if we advised readers to take this device seriously, asking students tu create various "name-character-tags," then ask people to narrow their list of made-up names to around 10-12 examples, each uniquely original, with a hint suggesting their character's character type [such as hero, villain, novice, or beginner, Wizard, or wiz-Tech...ect.]. Would the information presented about a writing device in Fiction, be correctly applied tu improve the student's writing skills? Do other people want to share helpful suggestions? Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 19:05, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Create Character?
I'm asking u'all, people, should we add this sectionof Wikibook pages: "Character Creation" to a section near the reference section, classifying this as a General Introduction ? Any objections...? Peyton09 (discuss • contribs) 19:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)