Talk:Conlang/Appendix/CXS

Live links for unavailable sounds
Here is a list of all the sounds that are named on the page but, as of this writing, don't have audio files available. On the page, they are shaded red, but inert. Here they are live links. If any of them turn blue, they should be reenabled on the page and removed from this list here. After each one I've also included an interwiki link to the corresponding wikipedia article to make it easy to check there, in case one of these sounds were to become available under a different name (for which there is some precedent). (They're likely to use the names I've given here, though.) BTW, the epiglottal plosive does have a sound file on wikipedia, but it's a .wav instead of an .ogg, and isn't on Commons; I decided not to try to bring it over for use here, even though the conditions of copyright would seem to allow that. Pi zero (talk) 02:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * [[Media:retroflex trill.ogg|retroflex trill]] (article)
 * [[Media:bilabial flap.ogg|bilabial flap]] (article)
 * [[Media:retroflex lateral flap.ogg|retroflex lateral flap]] (article)
 * [[Media:palatal lateral flap.ogg|palatal lateral flap]] (article)
 * [[Media:velar lateral flap.ogg|velar lateral flap]] (article)
 * [[Media:Near-close central rounded vowel.ogg|Near-close central rounded vowel]] (article)


 * Epiglottal fricatives are apparently now treated by en.wn as trills. That's inconsistent with the distinctions made in CXS; research is called for both into the construction of CXS and the choice made by en.wp.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 02:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Why use CXS
Why use conlang X-Sampa when IPA can be used?97.85.162.133 (discuss) 09:22, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


 * CXS can be written using ascii characters. So anyone can easily write the symbols, and any software is sure to be able handle them.  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 13:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Lateral trills
Is there a symbol for lateral trills, and shouldn't there be examples? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.85.162.133 (discuss • contribs) 09:23, 12 April 2013


 * Oh, cool idea.


 * In the table, dark-shaded entries are sounds that are supposedly physically impossible for humans to pronounce. A few years ago, there was some excitement in the linguistic community because someone had discovered a natlang in Africa(?) that actually used a sound that had been blocked out in the IPA table as physically impossible.


 * In the case of a lateral trill, apparently in setting up the table nobody even thought to set up a row for that. In trying to twist one's tongue that way, one can sort of see why they didn't.


 * When a symbol is needed, one finds a way. This is done in IPA as well as in CXS.


 * In the case of a lateral trill &mdash;I'll assume this is a voiced coronal lateral trill&mdash; I would suggest using a technique parallel to the way the table forms the voiced retroflex trill (whose symbol is a voiced retroflex flap blended to a voiced coronal trill via ""). This would give you
 * Anyway, that would be my thought without having actually heard the sound. Which, you know, I'm not entirely sure is physically possible for a human being to pronounce. ;-)  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 13:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Anyway, that would be my thought without having actually heard the sound. Which, you know, I'm not entirely sure is physically possible for a human being to pronounce. ;-)  --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 13:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see the en.wp article lateral consonant claims "Lateral trills are possible (but occur in no known language)." --Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 15:12, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Tasks in progress

 * Redistribute the data tables. The two big questions are
 * should upper and lower case letter symbols be in a single section, or separate sections, and
 * should non-letter symbols and non-symbols (all of which are non-letters) be in a single section, or separate sections.

--Pi zero (discuss • contribs) 16:11, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Section #Diacritics and suprasegmentals 2, check the IPA, and consider whether there's a better way to illustrate (the super/subscripting doesn't show well).