Talk:Cognition and Instruction/Origins of Cognitive Psychology

Chapter discussion
This chapter needs a new title. How about Origins of Cognitive Psychology? Nesbit (discuss • contribs) 15:24, 6 May 2016 (UTC) Agree. The name better matches the new content and the intent of this chapter. I have commented out the old chapter title/link for now. the content is still there Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 00:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

2016-06-23 Thomas/Obaid: Content Considerations
Discussions around restructuring this chapter. Overarching goals:
 * set up the entire wikibook
 * provide historical framework of ed psych
 * non-monolithic philosophies

Big Ideas
 * Founding Period - Philosophers
 * Schools of thought. We are still discussing how this will be done. Rather than monolithic schools, e.g. Bahaviourism, we plan to discuss the ideas raised by specific thinkers.

2016-06-23 Thomas/Obaid: Graphic/Structure
Looking for specific graphics (or will created)


 * timelines of thought
 * do we care if have pictures of the thinkers? Is this helpful for building connections or simply seductive detail?
 * Need to make sure whatever goes in works both in HTML and the save-to-pdf mode.

The following represents our current thinking for the outline:== 2016-06-23 Thomas/Obaid: Outline ==

Overview: As per our conversation and your input, the focus of the first chapter is to set the stage for where we are at now. We will cover the historical context with enough depth for students to understand the following two big ideas: our understanding of educational psychology has developed over time; and, the big ideas (behaviourism, humanism, cognitive perspective) are not monolithic nor were the tenets of their respective perspectives wholly unique. We need to do this in such a way that provides the foundation for the rest of the book without drowning the reader with information is not germane to, or would distract focus from cognition and instruction.

Outline

1.	Introduction to Cognition and Instruction

This brief introduction seeks to give the framework and purpose for the entire book and as an introduction to the chapter. At the end of this chapter, readers should be set-up to begin the book. Included in this part will be:
 * Theory (definition in context of learning)
 * Learning and instruction (meaning and differentiation)
 * Theory and Practise (meaning and application in education)

2.	Development of Learning Theories: Theories in the Historical Context This section explores at a cursory level the concepts of rationalism vs empiricism as posited by Descartes and Locke.
 * Philosophical Origins of Learning Theory
 * Psychological Origins of Learning Theory
 * Structuralism
 * Functionalism leading to Pragmatism
 * Associationism

This section explores at a cursory level the foundational ideas that will ultimately lead us to behaviourism.
 * Behaviourism
 * John Watson
 * Edwin Guthrie
 * Thorndike: Connectionism
 * B. F. Skinner

This section explores behaviourism as influenced by a few major contributors, esp. Skinner. Behavioural theories and applications in education are developed more that earlier ideas. Dialogue around the big idea of behaviourism not being monolithic is opened. This section ends with examples of behaviourist-based instruction, such as programmed instruction.

Humanism (I might need to arm wrestle Teeba for this one.)
 * Carl Rogers
 * Abraham Maslow

This section explores the humanist philosophy of educational psychology, esp. Rogers and Maslow. Humanist theories and applications in education are explored both in terms of their contrast to behaviourist views but also, as you pointed out, as a conceptual foundation for self-determination theory. In keeping with the big ideas, we both compare and contrast behaviourism and humanism. This section ends with examples of educational implications of humanism.

PART II:

2016-06-30 Thomas/Obaid: Outline
Problems so far: how to get so much information down to 6000 words. We will create our draft in google docs so we can try to get our style similar. This will also allow us to co-edit for improving the final product One of the issues is examples. Decided to add example [placeholders] so we can work on these as our group improvement input. Video option still being researched. Cartoon--to show how little we know--has been commissioned.

2016-06-30 Thomas/Obaid: Outline
What about humour? Does this have a place in academic literature. Research says so. *


 * no citation available.

2016-06-30 Thomas/Obaid: Formatting
Need to find out how larger than single column graphics will work in print to PDF mode. Findings: Graphics seem to be always constrained to a single column when printed as PDF format.

At the bottom of the page, have a summary section: In this section you have learned. Should there be links to the sections where this was learned? Findings

Ordered list vs. H1, H2? Make sure we are consistent with the other chapters, and that whatever is used best facilitates with the wikibook, e.g. if H1, H2 is needed for the table of contents. Findings: When headings are used (H1, H2, H3), they show up as numbered in the TOC, different styles of font in the text, BUT as numbered lists in PDF version of the book.

Glossary: Should there be "a name" links back to where it was discussed?

2016-06-30 Thomas/Obaid: Citations
Avoid citations from textbooks.

PDF version made
I just made a pdf version of the whole book. Its not multicolumn, so the issue with the graphics described on "2016-06-30 Thomas/Obaid: Formatting" should be resolved. Please let me know if you want anything about the PDF version changed. Yours friendly cow shed worker Dirk Hünniger (discuss • contribs) 09:59, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!
We also want to make a glossary from the text in alphabetical order. I thought we could do that using tags but can't seem to make it work. can you direct me to a resource?

Hi, ːindeed I can do that ːI did that for german book on statics see hereː https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Formelsammlung_Statistik/_Wahrscheinlichkeitsrechnung#Additionssatz ːif you look at the source you seeː ==  Additionssatz, so I just used a custom template as kind of tag. ːif you just add it to your book in all needed places the glossary will appear in the pdf see here https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Datei:Formelsammlung_Statistik.pdf in the end of the pdf page 61. --Dirk Hünniger (discuss • contribs) 16:57, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I tried that. I don't think we have that template. I think we'll just do the manually created glossary for now. Thanks for your help though.

Hi,

you can just create that template here. It actually very easy to do so, but I want to leave to you to create it since you learn a bit about the wiki system in creating it. If you still want to do a manual glossary you could use links in the glossary to link to the sections in the book. In the PDF they will render as footnotes giving the section number and the page number. Yours --Dirk Hünniger (discuss • contribs) 18:33, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Dirk. I have a deadline for this iteration but will explore that when I'm done. Thank you. ltimately we want the whole book to look like one coherent, consistent work. I have another question for you. I put up a graphic, and although I indicated I owned the copyright, it was flagged as not so. I got an email sent to indicate it was in the creative commons, and that email was posted with the image. Someone then came along, saw the warning box, did not scroll down to see the licence was added, and deleted the image. Now, when I try to re-upload the image, it is blocked and i get the message that this image has already been deleted. How can I fix this? Do you know?Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 07:58, 31 July 2016 (UTC) FOr information, see the New Chapter One reference below. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 07:59, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, at first you can discuss these issues at wikimedia commons "village pump". The other thing you can do is trick the computer in thinking its a different image. Its usually enough to change on pixel within the image as well as the file name. But I think its far better to discuss at village pump https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump Yours --Dirk Hünniger (discuss • contribs) 19:25, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

New chapter 1 started.
Old chapter one will be removed Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Images
History of thought comic added Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 16:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC) WC needs proof of copyright so this is OTRS pending. This has been uploaded but the warning tag remains. Not sure how long that will be there.

Added new cartoon for Greek School. Creative Commons licensing for that has been uploaded so should be ok.

tried to upload graphic that I made for Classical Conditioning. the system rejected it. I guess I don't have enough status. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 04:10, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

History of Thought comic was "deleted from Commons by INeverCry because: No permission since 22 July 2016" even though the licence was displayed. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 08:02, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

INeverCry has indicated that the licensing seems to be in order and that the images will be restored. There is not a timeline--I understand these things are done by volunteers. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 04:29, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

I am hopeful that the images will be reinstated soon. Last time they were re-reviewed the licence was still not available to the administrators. I guess this is a learning process.Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 04:56, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

2016-09-03: I see that History of Thought has been accepted and restored. Waiting now on Greek School. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 05:47, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

2016-11-27: Well, it has been a long time coming but finally the image Greek school is back up thanks to Bas van Bennekom. Thank you for the work you do. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 00:07, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Titles and Headings
Wondering if we should place some introductory text between sections such as "Cognition and learning into the early 20th century" and the sub-heading: "Wilhelm Wundt and Experimental Psychology".Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 19:04, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Added preliminary text. Normalized the title case. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 04:12, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Application Sections
Added the discussion as the last section for bringing it all together. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 04:12, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Learning Outcomes
TO: added bulleted list DT: I think that adds more clarity. The bit in the grey box is, perhaps, more general and the bulleted list more concise. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 16:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC) Added an open ended question at the end in the dialog section Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 16:33, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Turnitin
Uploaded doc to turnitin. Awaiting processing.

Citation Normalization
I see you have started on the citations. Great. I've started adding the name attribute to the first instance of the reference so that we can then just call that reference and it won't result in duplicates in the works cited. I also put the cited references at the top of the list and the old, not yet addressed ones at the bottom of the list. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 07:53, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Per our email, I am working on the citations list as well as tagging the glossary words. I don't have all the glossary definitions yet but am making a list. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 00:17, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Noticed that the citations lost their italics where normally prescribed by APA. Not sure if this book requires this. It is a bit of a hybrid citation list, sorted by occurrence rather than author, etc. Thoughts? Also, do you know if there is a way to sort the list by author? Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 04:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Glossary
Created glossary list. If you see any other terms that need to be included, let me know. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 05:53, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

ZPD
like the nice example of ZPD Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 04:27, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Citations List
I've commented out the old references list. the information is still there and can be harvested / reviewed by one of the contributors should that be helpful in the short term. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 05:55, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Recommended Edits
The following are recommended edits to consider from project review:

Sect 2 A brief history of knowledge
para 2. point of paragraph not clear. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 05:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Headings
Noted that sections 5 and 6 are perhaps too short for their own heading; or, there are too many headings. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 05:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Sect 7, ITS
In the last paragraph of this section, per JN: An argument could be made that teaching machines were an influence on ITS, but the more important point is that even early ITS were based on a cognitive view of learning and were presented as a reaction against programmed instruction and the CBI systems that were built on the idea of programmed instruction. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 05:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Sect 8
Near the end of the final paragraph and the four principles list, JN suggested: This would be a good point to mention self-determination theory, covered later in the book. It is the most important (maybe only) current educational theory that descends from humanistic psychology.Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 05:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

PDF Version omits all tables
Anyone notice that the PDF version of the book omits all HTML tables? Any workarounds?Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 06:10, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Well on page 167 in the PDF version I created there is a table. So there exists at least one table. So the statement that all tables are omitted is not correct.--Dirk Hünniger (discuss • contribs) 12:57, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct, I apologize for my overzealous "all". (and thank you for your help so far. Greatly appreciated.) I was not referring to your PDF that pops up on the opening page. I was referring to PDFs that are created by clicking the link that is near the bottom of the left-hand menu that says "download as PDF". That link seems to strip out tables. Not sure if this is a limitation of the PDF code or an error in our implementation of tables, however, I noticed that tables were missing from both https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cognition_and_Instruction/Origins_of_Cognitive_Psychology  and https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cognition_and_Instruction/Sociocognitive_Learning I did not check the other chapters. Thoughts? and thanks again for your help and input in this project. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 19:48, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi, all tables are indeed omitted by mediawiki pdf export function. I am using my own program called mediawiki2latex, which I wrote myself, which can handle tables. The problem is known. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Books

I could help with the problem. But I got a job as a teacher of computer science at university now and my contract says that I am not allowed to work for anyone else. The Wikimedia foundation also got a developer who could solve this problem, but the forbade him to spent any time to work on that. Its hard for me to accept the impossibility of a solution.

Ouch, jobs get in the way of our lives! Alas, we teachers work for the love of learning anyway. Well, thank you very much for all you've done so far. Hope you're year is amazing and rewarding. Dwt2 (discuss • contribs) 04:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)