Talk:Card Games/Piquet

Hello Hans Adler or other maintainers,

Here's a first attempt at filling in the "[something about 7, 8 or 9 cards in the stock which I cannot follow]" section. I'm working from the 1896 edition of "Encyclopédie des jeux de cartes" available on http://gallica.bnf.fr/

As you've already translated, the section on misdealing (top of p. 24) covers the case of one person having 13 cards instead of 12, the other person having 12, and the talon having 7 cards instead of 8. I mention this to clarify the logic of the game rules, because the section you are confused about refers to this case.

The confusing section itself primarily refers to one face-up card in the talon. I am assuming "retournée" means "turned over", not "taken and then given back". The top of p. 23 seems to use it in the same sense. Translating the section fairly literally, but simplifying the nuances of the writing style, I come up with:

"Whenever a turned-up card is found in the talon, even if the talon may have 7, 8, or 9 cards, that is if the deal must be played, the deal shall stand, provided however that the card turned up was not the card on top of the talon or the topmost of the three cards allotted to nondealer. The rule for misdeal is not relevant here, of giving nondealer the right to have a new deal or keep the hand and thereby giving him the power to act according to whether his hand is good or bad."

The part about "that is if the deal must be played" seems to distinguish these cases: …from these: but I am still a little confused about that myself.
 * 8 cards in the talon and 12 in both players' hands.
 * 7 cards in the talon, 12 in one player's hand, 13 in the other's, and nondealer has decided to play, as covered in the section on misdeals.
 * 9 cards in the talon, but where is this covered?
 * There can't be 6 or fewer cards in the talon, because then someone would have 14 or more cards in hand, forcing a redeal as described in the section on misdeals.
 * 10 or more cards in the talon?

Happy to discuss translations,

Derek Peschel 71.37.14.132 (discuss) 22:13, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Olivier Burlot checked the translation and suggested these changes (in a private message on BoardGameGeek). I have incorporated most of them. When I check the original, I will include the rest.


 * 'so long as no card has been "played and covered"' I don't see it meaning anywhere else than during the trick playing phase.


 * I think it isn't mentioned that non-dealer must discard at least one card.


 * "compter à la muette" means that the penalised player can't score points for whatever combinations he holds while his opponent's combinations are all considered valid (and score) even those who are of an inferior strenght than the penalised player's. (It is briefly explained later in the original book).


 * "As a result, the last trick consists only of a single card" can be "the last tricks" in the case of 11 cards or less.


 * "announces it as a major huitième, [...] if it contains the Ace, otherwise as a second, third etc. such." The book doesn't mention the obligation to indicate the strength of the sequence that you hold during the originl announcement (in practice this must be done only if the opponent says he has a sequence of equal length, this prevents giving too much information in the case of an inferior sequence).

Derek Peschel 71.37.10.26 (discuss) 03:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)