Talk:Card Games/Mille Bornes

2 or 4 players
I don't understand the section '2 player game'. Since the default is the 2 player game, why should any hazards be removed? It seems to contradict what's being said at the 3-player game variant. Abigail 12:32, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, the 'default' version of Mille Bournes is the 4 player game. That's at least how any instruction manual I've ever found is written, having more emphasis on the 4 player game than 2 player.  The name of the game also makes more sense that way, as 4 player lacks the Extension rule by default (games must go to 1000 miles, not 700 with an Extension afterward).  A game called Sept Cents Bournes would just be silly. :-) CaptainSpam 16:37, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Seconded: the four player game is the default, per Parker Brothers. DanielCristofani 11:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Safety Card Questions
I don't think this article is right about this bullet point about the Safety Card rules: "Safety cards are four special cards that can be played to avoid a certain type of hazard for the remainder of the game. These cards are also worth 100 points."

1. I think the Safety Cards last for the rest of the hand, not the rest of the game.

2. I don't think you get 100 points for playing them.

Can anyone confirm that?

Thanks, Throbblefoot 06:25, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * The deafening silence compels me to continue. Additional research indicates that you not only don't get 100 points, you also get to draw a card immediately after playing the Safety Card. Here's a source: :http://www.centralconnector.com/GAMES/Milleborne.html


 * I'll let the article stand for a few more days, then make the changes. Thanks Throbblefoot 01:44, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I've got the Parker Brothers rulebook here (copyright 1962) and you got 2 out of 3 right: they last for the rest of the hand, you do get 100 for playing them, and you get a new turn right after. I've updated the article. DanielCristofani 11:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update.... I'm chagrined to have let it stand so long... -Throbblefoot 22:33, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I always thought they lasted the whole game. Whaddya know. Ouuplas 07:00, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * A hand is an entire race, or probably what you referring to as a whole game (see Hasbro Rules). A match usually consists of several hands.

Jeu des mille bornes
I placed the link to the French wiki so you can change the name of this article. Marc Venot 23:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Major refactor
I've shuffled the sections a little, mostly to expand the outline, demoting most sections to subsections. The page as it stands is almost all about playing the game but there is much more to be said about it. Gameplay can be condensed and reorganized, too. I'm not finished working.

Coming up:


 * Untangle the text formerly under Types of cards into discussion of the Deck and explanation of the Play. The game should be explained as other card games: Deck, Play, Scoring, Strategy.


 * Deck information should be presented in table form.


 * Condense all the minor sections under With larger or smaller groups into a single bullet list. Four-player play is the "default", the way that the game should be explained under the previous sections -- no need for recap here.


 * More history of the game, particularly of the different deck versions.


 * I'd like to see the French names for the cards in the English version of the article -- once only, in table form. This is en, but much of the charm of the game comes from the French terms. I wouldn't play with someone who slapped down a Right-of-Way card without shouting "coup fourré".


 * Discussion of the game outside the context of the game itself. MB has been around for a long time and millions of people have played it, no? What might a little research discover?

This article cries out for graphics. At least half the fun is in the beautiful cards of the 1962 deck. I think we can claim fair use on a card or two from each deck, but for obvious reasons we need one complete deck. We can solve this along both dimensions by contacting Parker Brothers for permission; who knows what we might get? For the time being, a symbolic deck can be whipped up shortly. John Reid 18:28, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Bornes vs Bournes
I won't enter into any discussion of which name is "more correct"; but the official Hasbro deck I have at hand now is titled "Mille Bornes". Google gives 9830 hits for "mille bournes" with a did you mean: mille bornes; 648,000 hits for the latter. John Reid 04:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Versions
Such a popular game has been released in many different versions. I suggest that variants in which the style of the cards is different are notable; however let's not clog up the article by attempting to list every variation in packaging. The sole notable exception is the "race car" package. Somebody get a photo of that? John Reid 06:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Mille Bornes/work
This is a work page of source material, images, and text-in-process, only rudely sorted. We may have copyright issues to deal with before some of it can be moved to the article itself.

Four Safety bonus
The versions of the game I have says the 700 for having all four safeties is total, that is one only gets an additional 300 points for having all four. This means by my math that the most points one can get in a hand is 4600 (1000 miles + 400*4 coup-fourees + 300 bonus + 400 finish + 300 delayed + 500 shutout + 300 safe trip + 200 extension if played). Could someone check that? Jonpin 00:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll confirm that. DanielCristofani 10:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That seems correct and I've made the edit -- good notice, Jonpin. John Reid 23:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Grass
The card game Grass should get a mention somewhere... John Reid 23:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Strategy
Say, I just thought I should say as a courtesy: although I (obviously, from my edits) think that the "strategy" section of the Mille Bornes article is at the extent where it is best suited to the WikiBooks leisure bookshelf, I also think it looks like the makings of a good WikiBook, and certainly appreciate the work you've obviously put into it.

As a little further background, I'll note that the proper resolution of strategy sections in game articles vs. WP:NOT (specifically with respect to advice, suggestions, and such) has been a topic of discussion over at WikiProject Board and table games, which might be of interest to you. -Stellmach 14:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * This page is like one of those half-wit cousins who keeps following you around town, dribbling snot, never asking for anything but so desperately in need of attention you're distracted from your own pursuits. You secretly wish to push him in front of the nearest streetcar but you end up wiping his nose for him and buying candy from your own pocket money. You kick him and tell him to go home but he doesn't understand and just stands there in the rain. You wonder where the hell his mother is.


 * This is a wiki; I don't OWN any articles here. I've sown far too much seed in this rocky soil as it is. You wanted sources, I got you sources. Not good enough? Edit this page. Make it a book. No need to make it personal. Have fun. John Reid 16:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

History
Why is there no history section, no story about when it was created, when first translated, how many languages it's in? There's nothing here that you can't get from reading the rules and playing a few hands. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 00:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I second this request for information. This type of information would be very encyclopedic. Val42 20:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I saw that need a long time ago and put some research on the workpage. Check it out. John Reid 18:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The rules DO NOT SAY that the Extension bonus goes to whomever finishes the 1000.
The rules in our card set state: The 200 bonus points go to the one who calls extension IF they finish the trip (to 1000). If the player who calls extension does not complete the trip (to 1000), the bonus goes to the opponent or opponents. page 21 of (http://www.winning-moves.com/images/mbcollector_rules.pdf).

Another set of rules I've seen on-line, (page 16 of http://www.hasbro.com/common/instruct/MilleBornes.pdf), states that if someone else besides the player who calls extension finishes the trip, the 200 bonus points is given to each player (other than the one who called "Extension".