Talk:Brazilian Portuguese/Chapter 1



Brazilian Portuguese - Chapter 1 Discussion

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where is the dialogue? i don't know how native speakers pronounce!

where are you from? If you have access to Spanish TV you can hear Brazilian players speaking Spanish with Brazilian accent. ;-)

I really think a more thorough explanation of the distinction between "estar" and "ser" is in order. Acho importante explicar a distinção entre "ser" e "estar" de uma forma mais completa. While it would be impossible to clarify every distinction in their use, I believe a good way to explain the difference to English speakers is as follows: "Estar" generally means "to be" in a temporary state, as in, for instance, "I am angry / Estou zangado"; While "ser" means "to be" in a more permanent sense, such as, "I am Brazilian / Eu sou brasileiro". I will only be angry momentarily, while, I will be Brazilian for my entire life, or permanently. This distinction is not made clear in this book, as it currently exists. I feel that the current organization, with these two verbs discussed in distinct chapters, is not helpful. Presenting these two verbs together, with a thorough explanation of their differences, and clear examples, such as above, would make more sense than the current configuration. --Tonybaldwin (talk) 03:36, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually I believe the current article is wrong it the way it displays it currently - it says civil status would be "estar" but that's not the case for "I'm married"...
 * It's also not the only place where this wikibook chapter could be improved. I found it very needing in a lot of areas - there is a test for masculine feminine nouns without any explanation of masculine and feminine in portuguese.
 * --Dwarf Kirlston (discuss • contribs) 19:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I refer to the following quote:
 * "The tilde can only appear in the following combinations: ã, ãe, ães, ão, ãos, ões. They are usually preceded by the c-cedille (ç), or cê-cedilha. The cedille is only found in this form. Examples are maçã, ação, ações. "

"The cedille is only found in this form": My suggestion is to be more specific about the cedille being tied to the "c" rather than "this form". Particularly, considering the selection of examples given: "Examples are maçã, ação, ações. " This set of examples could be misleading, since one might be tempted to think that cê-cedilha could only occur before "ã, ãe, ães, ão, ãos, ões". I suggest adding praça, começávamos, açúcar and preço. There is no rule excluding any form (accent, tilde, no particular marker) of a, o or u after a cê-cedilha that I am aware of. It's just that cê-cedilha can neither be followed by e nor i. Idioma46 (discuss • contribs) 09:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)